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I don't think you appreciate the situation at hand.
Look, I agree there's a lot that was wrong with it. And I was totally disgusted by the rush to lard it up with pork. It was shameful. But in real terms, there was no choice but to steamroll it. In any case, the artificial economic blip is really all anyone could expect, and despite all the high-falutin' rhetoric, it's all anyone really wanted or needed from it. |
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My position is that we need to change the status quo, because having a Republican plurality that doesn't stand for any principles is useless. In fact, it's worse than useless. It's a waste of the money people donate to the RNC. |
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You shouldn't claim that without actually identifying what things this pragmatic GOP gets done much of the time. Seriously, that looks so ridiculous compared against the backdrop of refusing to answer my question.
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What question?
And to address the issue of a pragmatic GOP, just go back to the Eisenhower era. Or you can look at Ragan's compromises with a Democratic congress. Or you can look at the Republican congress's compromises with Clinton. Or you can look Bush Sr's administration. The latter is probably the best contemporary example. Let me ask you this: Can you point to one single thing that a "pure" GOP has gotten done? I thought not. |
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As for your citations, can you give me one specific example? For instance, if you're talking about H.W. Bush's tax hike, that was done to balance the deficit. I don't consider that contradictory to the message of fiscal conservatism. |
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This statement is so majestically wrong that it has a sort of awful grandeur to it.
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I was planning on following the latter course ... still, since you ask ...
There are a number of things wrong with it, but the most glaring, I think, is the blunder to which I have already drawn your attention. Sporanox seems to believe that the proper function of economic policy should be --- no, more, that the declared goal of Obama's policy actually is --- to bend reality to fit the predictions of economists. This is like saying that the proper function of a doctor is to ensure that the span of a patient's life fits the predictions made by an actuary. |
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Statements like this make me wonder why anyone bothered those stimulus economists to release a chart in the first place, or why anyone bothers with them altogether.
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ETA In fact, you could argue that many in the current GOP are shams as they turned out partisan knee-jerk responses to a number of things in the 21st century. Any mention of 9/11 comes to mind, for me at least. |
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I don't know, but from the way that GOP Party Officials kowtow to Rush and company many high up in the GOP think they have a lot of influence. The really problem I have with El Rusho and company (and you can throw in a lot of the Lefty Media Equivilents) is that ,in the words of a British Politician talking about the British Press Barons of the 1930's, they want power without responsiblity, the dream of the Harlot throughout the ages. |
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I guess having your own reality is reserved for YOU, "SezMe". The ONLY reason Lieberman had to run in a primary is that state party selected delegates gave Liebermans opponent a third of the votes,thus forcing a primary. No other incumbent Dem in 2006 was pushed into an optional primary. It was clear to everyone that Lieberman would have a difficult time winning the Dem Primary, which is why Lamont burned $16M of personal wealth - he assumed he would have a cake-walk in the general election w/ Lieberman out. They were certainly kicking Lieberman to the curb; even if you don't understand it. I don't blame the Dems for rejecting Leiberman as too centrist, but reject they did. HC was NEVER the most important issue on the table. Only 5% of ppl in a pre-Obama poll suggested it was the most important to them. The economy and war have always been higher on the list. And NO - there was virtually no Rep input to the HC bill; if you don't agree cite two pages of the 2500+ that were proposed by Reps. Unstable policies are a dime a dozen Income Taxes Corporate taxes Corporate Regulation Estate Taxes Education costs Sex Education Abortion Stem Cell Research Funding .... These issues get batted back & forth & and in odd directions every time there is a change of party in power. If you think these are non-issues you should try planning an estate or managing a small business when you have no idea is coming. Here's a widely relevant example. Does it make any sense to contribute to a 401k now, since it's perhaps likely personal taxes later in retirement may be higher than today or is a Roth better ? Or will they end up taxing Roths in the future ? A friend from University moved overseas to work on certain biological research. Should he move back now or is the funding going to be yanked again in 3 years ? ((In reality he'll probably never move back)). No one can rationally plan with such uncertainty in policies. |
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