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15th January 2019, 08:32 AM | #321 |
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I won't be sad to see Steve King go, but I strongly suspect that he did not say what the New York Times attributed to him. If they ever release the audio of the interview, I think we'll see that. The New York Times quoted him as saying, “White nationalist, white supremacist, Western civilization — how did that language become offensive?” I doubt he said it at all.
As it turns out, punctuation matters. I suspect what he actually said was, "(some sentence that ends with) white nationalist, white supremacist. Western civilization — how did that language become offensive?” I hope that at some point the NYT releases unedited audio. |
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I can as a purely theoretical exercise, but I don't buy.
Example: "People have started assuming the everything our country and culture stand for is wrong. PC gone mad assuming that the bad taints the good. They have begun conflating anything traditional, any aspect of our western civilization as being somehow "white nationalist, white supremacist." Western civilization — how did that language become offensive?" Again: this is purely theoretical, and I am firmly in the "Steve King has proven himself racist over and over" camp. |
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15th January 2019, 10:52 AM | #326 |
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Nonsense.
Given the consequences, if that is NOT what he said, then he would be screaming it from the rooftops. Especially in this era of "fake news", where the NYT is being accused of fake news from the right all the friggin time, but these comments, which you think are fake, he is notably silent, even after getting stripped of his committees? You are crazy. |
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15th January 2019, 10:59 AM | #327 |
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After looking over some of his previous remarks, I'm joining your camp.
This dude is no mere, garden-variety racist. He's a pretty open, overt white supremacist. No idea what his full quote in context was, but it's highly likely that whatever it was, was just as bad as the snippet, which is why he hasn't clarified the matter. |
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Yeah, I just found that. It looks like this is his story:
(Dubious website known to fabricate actual fake news, but I can buy that this was a real interview, I guess) https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...ons-of-racism/
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Not only that, but King has a history of accusing reporters of lying about what he said, only to be proven wrong when the audio is released. But by all means, let’s give the lying racist the benefit of the doubt. |
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I wish there was no need to speculate. The nyt should release the audio.
I became suspicious as soon as I read the quote. "White supremacists" has had a pretty negative connotation ever since I can remember, which means about the early 70's. I find it hard to believe that any politician, even one as tone deaf as Steve king, could possibly ask that question. It didn't make sense. I started looking around for context. When I saw that no one, including the nyt, published the context, I became more suspicious. I then came up with the theory that the punctuation was wrong. When I saw King's statement, I decided to share my Great Thoughts here. |
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He should be thrown out of office for misspelling "dialogue" in his tweet.
He's a white supremacist, and would be shunned in polite company. In the off-season, this schmuck tools around Europe meeting with the other proponents of "Western Civilization," all of whom are racist fascist jerks too. |
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He's so demonstrably an actual white supremacist, I kinda don't care what he really said. Doesn't matter. It's definitely closely in line with how he believes.
This quote in particular:
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In fairness, I think Meadmaker's having a "look what political discourse has become" day. It's like a bad hair day only it's about political discourse instead of hair.
And King's not going anywhere!! Steve King tweets: "Mr. President @RealDonaldTrump if the time comes that it is necessary for you declare a state of emergency for border security, build the whole wall out of concrete. Let it stand forever as a monument to the Rule of Law". |
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Good point, Mr. King. Concrete walls are known for standing forever.
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Rep @SteveKingIA: “13 words have caused this firestorm.”He knows exactly what he's doing. |
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I'm lost. Is it a reference to this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words
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People defending Steve King in this thread. I mean seriously why is this statement a big deal? He has spoken at white nationalist events before and made is thoughts on the matter clear. So why does this statement that is totally in character get defended as well he didn't really mean that?
Next it will be that white nationalists claiming the Tucker Carlson is using their talking points and the fact that he using their talking points are totally meaningless events. |
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If the NYT misrepresented what King said, he would be vociferously demanding they release the audio recording. I've seen no such demand from him as of now.
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Is King on record making inflammatory statements that align with white supremacist ideology? Constantly.
Has he endorsed a neo-nazi in an election? Yes. Has he otherwise cavorted with supremacists / neo nazis? Yes. Were his recent words taken out of context? Conceivably. Does this recent incident make an iota of difference in how we should asses King on these matters? Not particularly. |
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What plausible reason could there be for him not to have already demanded it? He's been kicked off all 3 of his committees, the House is preparing to vote on a resolution of disapproval, and King has addressed the House from the floor. He made no demand for a release of the interview audio.
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I agree with Varwoche, King has a history of saying things that are inflammatory vaguely to clearly racist. If the times took his recent statements out of context or misrepresented them, my opinion of King will not change. I will have a slightly more negative view of the times however.
The thing with defending King, is that its difficult to defend the indefensible. He's got a primary challenger and has been widely condemned by his fellow Repubs, deservedly so. |
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On the downside, Mitt Romney, by calling on King to resign, gets to bolster his credentials as moderate adult in the room with little to no risk.
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Did anyone note the comment:
“The N.R.C.C. does not get involved in primaries and isn’t going to comment on a hypothetical general election two years away,” ? The election in two years is a hypothetical? |
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Remember that the biggest critic of Trump since 2016 was Trump's earlier words?
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