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25th November 2018, 11:33 PM | #1 |
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"Republicans are least supportive of making it easy for everyone to vote"
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...ryone-to-vote/
Only about a third of conservative Republicans (36%) favor doing everything possible to make it easy to vote, compared with a majority (65%) of moderate and liberal Republicans. (A report earlier this year, based on 2017 data, found that conservatives constituted a majority – 68% – of Republican and Republican-leaning registered voters; moderates and liberals made up about a third of GOP voters, or 31%.)Edit: The subject should actually start with "Conservative Republicans". |
25th November 2018, 11:44 PM | #2 |
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Interesting. Still, it looks like about half of all Republicans want to make it easy to vote and that's a little higher than I might have guessed. And a slim majority of Republicans want convicted felons to have the franchise, which I never would have guessed. They should probably tell the guys running their party. They don't seem to agree.
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25th November 2018, 11:50 PM | #3 |
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First, the thread title seems like a no brainer.
Second, when the felons-can-vote legislation passed in FL without much apparent resistance, first thing I thought of was how many white-supremacists with all their love of punching people are felons in FL? There seems to be a lot of violence in that particular demographic. Not saying all Republicans mind you. Maybe they are counting on those over-represented blacks to not be voters. |
25th November 2018, 11:53 PM | #4 |
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26th November 2018, 12:33 AM | #5 |
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I think that the polls don't matter as long as elected Republicans actively seek to suppress voters, purge voting rolls and outright steal elections.
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26th November 2018, 07:19 AM | #6 |
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Republicans also claim to want a balanced budget, but their chosen representatives show a rather different story.
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26th November 2018, 07:28 AM | #7 |
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26th November 2018, 08:29 AM | #8 |
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I don't know about the whole white supremacist things, but you're on to something in general I think. About 1 in 10 adults in Florida were convicted felons, probably in part to "tough on crime" policies that make everything a crime and most crimes a felony.
With so many people being felons, it's not hard for a large portion of the population to be sympathetic to these people. It's hard to gin up "us vs them" when the "them" group includes such a wide swath of society. |
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26th November 2018, 09:23 AM | #9 |
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The Florida initiative does not apply to all felons. Those convicted of murder or sexual assault don't get the right to vote back, ever. Only felons who have completed their entire sentence - jail/prison, and the entire term of parole get the right to vote back. So many of the more problematic felons won't get to vote if they keep doing minor things that extend the length of the jail and parole terms.
Some articles have pointed out the the prohibition on felon voting was more or less a Jim Crow law, albeit one that didn't specifically mention race and thus survived longer than most other Jim Crow laws. Coming out of an era when the entire state legal system was geared to be racially unbalanced, this specific law didn't need to mention race to have that racial impact. Florida's felon voting ban dates back to Jim Crow: 'This is the unfinished business of the civil rights movement' Voters kill remnants of Jim Crow in Florida and Louisiana
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26th November 2018, 10:08 AM | #10 |
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26th November 2018, 11:37 AM | #11 |
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I think we need a new type of Godwin's Rule for people mentioning white supremacy.
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26th November 2018, 11:40 AM | #12 |
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Sure when people talk about modern politics and Trump in particular the odds of the conversation involving white supremacy goes to 1 the longer the conversation.
But really as someone who gets his facts from @whitegenocidetm why should this be surprising? The original formulation of Godwin was not about it being a fallacy or losing the argument. Trump at least gets white supremacist twitters in his feed that much is a given. |
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26th November 2018, 12:15 PM | #13 |
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26th November 2018, 12:42 PM | #14 |
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See I am using actual facts not alternate ones.
See this is the true formulation of Godwins Law. ""As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1"" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law It says nothing about it being invalid or wrong, just that as discussion progresses it will eventually go there. Here is Mike Godwin who formulated Godwins law talking about the appropriateness of looking at comparisons between Trump and nazi policy. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-a7892171.html As for Trump retweeting white supremacists see, http://fortune.com/donald-trump-whit...cist-genocide/ https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42166663 https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ng-hate-groups Then there was of course the time that his campaign got an image from a nazi forum and shared it with the world. When does this add up to actually condoning the "fine people" like the white supremacists marching at charlottesville? |
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26th November 2018, 12:43 PM | #15 |
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26th November 2018, 09:10 PM | #16 |
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26th November 2018, 10:18 PM | #17 |
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A lot of Republicans are kind and decent people. Not all of them are like the ones you find on this board.
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26th November 2018, 10:24 PM | #18 |
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27th November 2018, 12:47 AM | #19 |
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These two statements are, of course, not in any way related.
Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd
"Oh yes, we should do everything possible to make it easy to vote - Republican". |
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