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11th September 2019, 12:45 PM | #1 |
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Remembering 9/11...Republican style
In memory of the tragedy of 9/11, people all over the country are going to memorials and whatnot.
That's what democratic legislators in North Carolina did. And while they were gone, republican leadership called a surprise vote to override the governor's veto of a budget bill. With all the opposition out, they were able to override the veto. https://www.newsobserver.com/news/po...234962017.html Come on, someone try to defend it. |
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11th September 2019, 01:24 PM | #2 |
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I think this vote would have happened anyway. NC requires 3/5 of the elected legislators to override a veto. You can't get those numbers by sending away opponents, only by attracting supporters.
So at least 3/5 of NC legislators showed up to work today and passed a bill. They would have been able to pull this off even if other 2/5 had shown up and voted against them. Or am I missing something? Did the Republicans totally promise to go to the memorial service, and then once the Democrats were safely out of the way...? No, they already had a veto proof majority. |
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11th September 2019, 01:39 PM | #4 |
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And the NC House is 65 Republicans to 55 Democrats. The GOP did NOT have a 3/5ths majority.
The Republicans also said that there would be no votes that morning so that people could go to the memorials. They told the press that as well. Then they showed up to subvert democracy because that's just who the Republicans are. The Democrats should never believe them and treat them as always hostile cheaters who will always act in bad faith. This is the only rational conclusion when they leverage 9/11 memorials to cheat. And GOP voters will absolutely not hold them accountable, so they will remain deplorable for the foreseeable future. |
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11th September 2019, 01:45 PM | #5 |
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Edit to add: It appears they only need 1 Democrat vote to flip in the Senate. They must have that thing locked down to pull this, as the optics for the voter that flips will not be good given how this transpired. |
11th September 2019, 01:50 PM | #6 |
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Then all this talk about the veto doesn't make sense. They would have needed at least 90 votes to override. Something is being misreported here.
Also, is 64 present even enough to do business? NC seems pretty generous about its quorum requirements. |
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Someone tries to defend the indefensible, and fails.
It is sad when blind partisanship makes somebody say idiotic things. |
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11th September 2019, 03:02 PM | #11 |
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Not really. It's just believably lazy. The information is in the article linked in the OP. You could've had that egg for breakfast tomorrow morning rather than wearing it.
It's subterfuge by the NC GOP. The #2 guy told a Dem who passed it along that there would be no votes in the morning session. In the presser, the Red Leader and the #2(Lewis) said the Dems just misunderstood. Alas, Lewis emailed a reporter on Tuesday night that there was likely to be no voting. He simply neglected to tell anyone else, so we have a Big Dog Special... "Show Me Where I Promised There Would Not Be A Vote. I din't say "I promise" so neener neener neener, Gotcha!" Further, not stated in the article but pretty damned obvious is that it was planned. Are we supposed to believe that no patriotic blue blooded flag-waving Republicans in North Carolina had any memorial events to attend. Almost all of them were at the State House. It was an old fashioned ambush. |
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Keep in mind that the republican deception involved a 9/11 memorial service. Something that most people would be respectful of.
Its like if your football team involved urinating on an American flag as part of its fake handoff play as part of the deception. Sent from my LG-K121 using Tapatalk |
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Bishop barely took the district. The GOP margin is down about 10% compared to 2016. But there's an actual thread for that. THIS thread is about GOP dirty tricks at the state level.
Are you a zero-sum Trumper? Anything as long as you get your way? It was a smarmy trick by smarmy people. This is the same state party that has had its redistricting plans thrown out of the courts at least twice, now and the same group that, upon losing the state house to a Dem governor immediately proceeded, Wisconsin style, to limit the authorities they had just granted (in the previous session) to the governor. |
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12th September 2019, 12:13 AM | #24 |
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Republicans can't win on the merits of their ideas and policies, so they have to cheat.
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Right wingers tend to have the mindset that if it's not illegal, then it's fair to do. And by illegal, they really mean if they can get away with it.
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12th September 2019, 07:09 AM | #32 |
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It definitely rates high on my list of "**** douchebags would do".
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12th September 2019, 07:38 AM | #35 |
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Correction... Bishop won one congressional district (representing only a tiny fraction of the population of the state), and at a different level of government (federal, not state).
That's hardly a 'voter mandate' or an indication of any sort of widespread approval of the actions of republicans in the state. |
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12th September 2019, 07:56 AM | #36 |
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There are 2 main differences where your football analogy fails...
- Sports are, by design, completely competitive. On the other hand, Politics often involves compromise, bipartisanship, and trust. (If both sides become intractable, and trust breaks down, gridlock can ensue which harms EVERYONE.) So, the republicans won this little battle. Good luck getting the democrats to trust in the future. They've made it harder for the government as a whole to function. - A football team is basically playing for the benefit of fans of the team. What the fans of the opposing team think is irrelevant. But when you are a politician, you represent all citizens in your area, not just the ones that voted for you. (After all, they still pay their taxes, contribute to society, etc.) At least some of the people in those districts that the state senators represent voted for the democrats. While I'm not saying that a politician has to totally abandon their policies in favor of what the opposition wants, they should be at least willing to recognize their concerns. By the way, I notice you ignored the post where I pointed out that part of the problem was that all of this took place on 9/11. To most people, 9/11 was a horrific event... thousands of people died, hundreds more risked their lives in an attempt to prevent further deaths. Hundreds of people now have serious health concerns as a result of their actions stemming from 9/11. To those people who suffered as a result of 9/11, the day should be treated with some respect. On the other hand, the republicans decided to use the event as a prop in order to cheat the system. They are basically crapping on 9/11 victims. And you are ok with that. And that's the GOP for you. |
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Of course had the Democratic lawmakers not gone to the 9/11 memorial, for fear of leaving the Republicans free do do their deeds, then they would have been castigated for being un-American communists and Islamic terrorist enablers and failing to respect the victims of terrorism.
Of course GOPers who are actually failing to respect the victims of terrorism are given a pass for *reasons* |
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