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12th September 2019, 11:05 AM | #81 |
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So this whole thing was overblown?
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12th September 2019, 11:09 AM | #82 |
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The issue isn't about the entire day, but specifically about the morning.
Waiting until Wednesday afternoon to vote on the budget would have been the ethical thing to do.
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- Even just a few being at 9/11 events would preclude them from being there to vote - Other democratic absences may have been due to government related work elsewhere. Politicians can have multiple responsibilities and sometimes that means they may miss time in house or senate if nothing critical is happening. |
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12th September 2019, 11:15 AM | #83 |
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In my personal opinion, yes and no. No matter where the Dems were at it was a dick move, and they knew it. They did it on purpose because there had been a battle about the budget for awhile. So there was no confusion with regards to what was happening.
On the flip, the Dems are kind of virtue signaling and pearl clutching. "We were just remembering good Americans when these guys cheated us." TL; DR: The GOP are ********, and the Dems are being babies. |
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12th September 2019, 12:40 PM | #86 |
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Disregarding the derail about forum management, I'd like to know why the 'Dems' are being 'whiny babies' for doing what Republicans have called 'patriotic' and 'supporting' and you know, showing humanity (or is that it?) by attending memorials for the anniversary that Republicans have been talking up and saying we MUST REMEMBER for a week? And that some were in committee meetings and are included in the 'babies' category for being off doing their jobs when the speaker sneaked in the rush vote?
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Yup, I'm reminded of:
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Because at a certain point if you keep handing a chimp a loaded gun and the chimp keeps shooting you with you stop blaming the chimp.
I get it. The whole "OH BUT UR DA REUPBLICANS AND YOU'RE ALWAYS PLAYING THE PATRIOT CARD" is cathartic. It's also a waste of time. We've been playing "Gotcha" with the GOP over every one of the 50 bazillion bits of hypocrisy they perform in the average day. THEY DON'T CARE. |
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12th September 2019, 12:49 PM | #90 |
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There was, last count, at most 2 people involved in 9/11 ceremonies that the Dems appear to try and oversell. No one is saying they're babies for attending anything 9/11 related.
You seem to be confused. I'm not saying they were babies because they were doing work instead of voting. I'm saying their babies for the way they characterized and pearl clutched after the fact. It's a bummer, it was shady, it was unethical, it was completely and entirely within their bounds to do so. As was said before, it won't happen again I would bet. |
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12th September 2019, 12:54 PM | #91 |
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I would bet that it will be the new norm, now that they know they can get away with it. Do you feel represented now?
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I would have to disagree. After this happened most people are not willing to forget it so easily. I would bet that the Dems will put a scout or a staff in there to make sure they know exactly what's going on. Usually trick plays don't have a tendency to work repeatedly.
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12th September 2019, 01:20 PM | #97 |
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wow, some skeptics forum:
https://www.redstate.com/sister-told...e-republicans/ |
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http://speakermoore.com/n-c-house-le...to-overridden/
“No one announced there would be no recorded votes from the chair, or by email, as is the standard procedure in the House when there will not be recorded votes.” |
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12th September 2019, 02:27 PM | #102 |
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In my state legislators passed an open mhttps://www.newsobserver.com/news/po...234962017.htmleeting law that requires cities, counties, school boards etc. to post agenda items publicly at least 24 hours before the fact - no vote can be held without the item being on the agenda. Also, 3 out of 5 supervisors can't get together without it being an open, posted meeting.
However, the Legislature itself is largely exempt from the rules it imposes on other jurisdictions. ETA: The News Observer ran what appears to be a straightforward piece that includes facts that weren't in the RedState article. https://www.newsobserver.com/news/po...234962017.html |
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And yet for some reason, House Rules Committee Chairman David Lewis didn't think there would be a vote:
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And I'm also struggling with the dilemma of who to believe when Democrats claim Lewis also told them that there would be no vote, which Lewis denies. Despite the fact, of course, that he did tell a WRAL reporter there would be no vote. I'm just hoping that a couple of Super Skeptics like mgardner and theprestige can explain what happened here. |
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Here's something you might not have known....
There is actually more than 1 part to a working day. Morning and afternoon. If you tell someone "there will be votes" in a day, but also say "no votes in the morning", its reasonable to assume the votes will be in the afternoon. Well, assuming the person isn't an unethical scumbag like your typical republican, when they were lying about the morning thing. |
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More like strategy within the ruleset is not a moral issue. |
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Lying, however, is a moral issue.
Bluffing and deception is an accepted strategy in various sports and games, such as football, poker, and basketball. Lying is not an accepted strategy in Congressional functions. You do realize Congressional functions and Football have different rule sets, don't you? Or do you commonly see American Legislators tackle each other to prevent them from writing bills and such? "The Bill catches the vote at the podium and is taking off toward the door, heading for the White House. He's at the first aisle, performs a spin move around the minority whip, and then he's to the second aisle, just bowling over the obstructionist party with alacrity, he's at the third, getting a much needed block from the Speaker....Wow, look at that little Bill run! He. Could. Go. All. The. Way!!!" "He's OUT. THE. DOOR!........TOUCHDOWN!" It really is as simple as that. |
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And yet, here you are. (Not sure that BtC is the role model you want if you're going to pretend to be here to engage in honest debate. Just sayin'.)
That's some Premium Grade A victim-blaming you've got going there.
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According to Gallup, that's 27% Republican, 29% Democrat and 40% Independents. As we've seen before, many people tend to be secretive or perhaps even misleading when revealing their political views to phone surveys....
Regardless of the numbers, it all depends on where those numbers are located and how many electoral votes they wield........The flyover states have proven they will no longer be ignored, they did it in 2016 and I think we're gonna see landslide numbers in 2020. https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/p...filiation.aspx |
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Except when a new 'trick play' is hit upon.
So it's come down to 'hall monitors' to have to keep an eye on the little *****. Great. Somehow I think it better to have ethical humans in the Legislature, and failing that well defined rules to enforce ethical behavior. This throwing up of hands and accepting that increased vigilance against dirty tricks be the new norm doesn't seem congruent with democratic practice.
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