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13th September 2019, 06:36 AM | #121 |
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13th September 2019, 06:40 AM | #122 |
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Bob would you knock it off? Ethics and "following the rules" are two separate things. This is first grade knowledge. That's why there are ethics boards in various ******* job fields that can rescind licenses to practice based on behavior. It doesn't require you doing anything illegal, just unethical. Stop this ******** line of reasoning just to garner attention. It's annoying.
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13th September 2019, 06:42 AM | #123 |
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13th September 2019, 07:11 AM | #126 |
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13th September 2019, 07:57 AM | #127 |
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13th September 2019, 08:10 AM | #128 |
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So I just have one question.
Is it time to swap the GOP elephant for the GOP limbo bar? |
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16th September 2019, 12:08 PM | #130 |
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16th September 2019, 01:19 PM | #131 |
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NC GOP senator John Alexander finds out his district has been redrawn to be more competitive, so he quietly changes it to remove Democrats. He gets caught and his amended changes won't fly.......so he retires, like the coward he is.
LOL!!! https://twitter.com/johnbisognano/st...50792196141056 |
16th September 2019, 01:21 PM | #132 |
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Is North Carolina a state with full time or part time legislators? Is the expectation for them to hold down other jobs while serving weighed into the time allotments?
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16th September 2019, 01:47 PM | #133 |
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That didn't occur to me. It looks like an NC representative only gets about $14,000 a year (and is classified as hybrid: 70% of full time):
https://ballotpedia.org/Comparison_o...ative_salaries On the other hand a senator (like Alexander) makes on average $70,000, which ain't fancy, but it's enough to live on. https://www.paysa.com/salaries/north...-state-senator |
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17th September 2019, 01:16 AM | #135 |
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Before you say something stupid about climate change, check this list. "If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. " Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1 |
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18th September 2019, 07:47 AM | #139 |
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I think if they do not show up when in session they are the ones taking advantage. The voluntarily take the job, know the pay, know the hours and should show up for work when they are supposed to.
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18th September 2019, 08:58 AM | #142 |
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The NC "Education" Lottery was passed with similar shenanigans. To summarize:
-The NC Senate was very tight: 29 Dems to 21 Repubs. -The lottery was passed by the House but enough Dems in the Senate opposed it to give a 2 vote advantage to the opposition. -It was therefore not expected to pass and the President Pro-Tem publicly announced to the press and the Assembly that the session would end without any further votes being taken -so no vote on the losing lottery bill. -In response, 2 Senators who were opposed to the lottery bill decided to take the last day off. -The President Pro-Tem heard about this and decided that there would be a vote only on the lottery bill after all which ended up tied. The tie was broken by the Lt. Gov, a democrat and the lottery bill passed. So it seems like this kind of thing is bipartisan and ethics seems to be an issue in the NCGA. |
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That's an interesting and weird scenario.
"We don't have the numbers or the support to make a vote on this worthwhile. So no vote." "No vote, huh? Sweet, three day weekend!" "With a couple of our members taking the day off, it turns out we do have the numbers after all. The vote is back on!" "... Wait, what? Oh, ****." --- So much for the theory that after the trick works once, everyone will be smart enough to not fall for it a second time. But now that whole "it was never officially announced according to the rules of the legislature" excuse makes more sense. Apparently it's part of how the game is played. |
18th September 2019, 10:24 AM | #144 |
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A 14 year-old whataboutism from a biased source.
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When this incident is used to smear a whole party’s ethics, it isn’t whataboutism to point out that both parties engage in the same kind of unethical conduct. I agree this particular incident was unethical; I don’t agree that the GOP as a whole is uniquely unethical.
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Indeed. Gaming the system to get your way is sickening and corrupt behavior. There should be extremely firm and clear rules on how the job should be done, and harsh penalties for noncompliance. Permanent disqualification from holding an elected or appointed government position for life for starters. And let's throw in quadruple taxation for fifty years, that should quell the rich ones.
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Yes. It’s called “reality.” Boom! [mic drop] Seriously, though. Are you disputing that the events unfolded that way? The basic facts are accurately recounted in that Republican legislator’s blog. 1. It was announced that there would be no more votes. 2. 2 Republicans took the last day off 3. They decided to hold the vote when that became known. That’s just history. If you think the legislator is wrong and things didn’t happen that way, it’s on you to show that. |
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19th September 2019, 08:50 AM | #150 |
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Technically you're providing a positive claim (you're presenting what the legislator said as evidence), so it's on you to support the claim. If it did happen that way then there would absolutely be evidence of it in the local news or even national sites. It really shouldn't be all that hard to support.
I don't care either way, but if you present evidence it's on you to support it. ETA: Here is what I found about it:
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"If I prove you're a hypocrite that means I'm in the right morally, factually correct, and that the problem we were working to solve is no longer a problem" is destroying all levels of political discourse.
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Sure if the argument was “This was a bad thing that was done by the Republicans.” No argument from me on that point. That is not the argument here. The argument is “The Republicans are uniquely bad in this way.” That is a false argument and it’s appropriate to counter that with examples. |
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*Head desk* Jesus Goddamn piss drinking donkey raping shoeless Christ.
Because everytime we go "The Republicans did a bad thing..." someone, *hint, hint, wink, wink, points at you*, runs in screaming about something the Democrats did. You make the argument about comparisons, then complain that comparisons aren't the point. If you and the other Conservative fanboys didn't demand that we prove the Republicans are "uniquely bad" this wouldn't be an issue. I don't give a rat's anus if they are "uniquely" bad. A problem doesn't have to be DA WURSTESt AND ONLY EXAMPLE OF dA PROBLE EVAR! before we can talk about it. Nothing can ever be goddamn improved because the tribes won't let anyone criticize them until the person doing the criticism is perfect. ****... that... noise. |
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