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20th September 2019, 09:04 PM | #201 |
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Wow! You don't half twist things, eh? You quote me referring to the portion of the GOP that are lying weasel scumbags and saying that we have to keep reminding the other (implicitly casual) supporters that they're supporting lying weasel scumbags.... AND YOU STRAW MAN THAT INTO THE HILITED PHRASE.
I was, first off, referring to the NC GOP. You even quoted the post where I specifically pointed that at. And then you proceed to ignore it. This is identical to the "Look! She called you all deplorables" spin. If you want to start a thread about the Lottery vote, go ahead and start one. The evidence is not what you think it is. It was more a camp vs camp fight. The pro-lottery element within the Democratic Party but a combined GOP and activist Dems in the anti-lottery camp, with different motivations. It wasn't 100% party partisanship. As whataboutism goes it gets about a six on a scale of one to ten. And you ignore the main thrust. "Here's examples of your side doing it" is the very definition of whataboutism. And it plays right into the apologist's dogma of "show me how this is unique to my side". No one's claimed it was unique. No one claimed it was every single Republican or every single Republican supporter. No one claimed ALL TRUMP VOTERS were deplorable. This is all political spin to distract and dodge the responsibility for the bad choices some you supposedly "thinking conservatives" have made. But if it makes you happy, yeah, if you can actually show that the Dems (uniquely, of course) pulled similar dirty tricks on the Lottery vote (or any vote), I'd vote to censure the party in some form. The Louisiana Democrats should've been barred from running in State elections for two or three election cycles for their support of the borderline totalitarianism of Huey P. Long. Fining, jailing or censuring a few fall guys does nothing if the parties are allowed to continue in the same vein. |
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20th September 2019, 09:59 PM | #202 |
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The 9/11 thing you keep harping isn’t what I’m talking about.
But to that point, what you seem to not grasp is that the record was corrected and the claim was no longer being made. People make mistakes and get things wrong sometimes. That’s not the issue. The issue is when someone gets something wrong and then instead of accepting the error when it’s pointed out to them, they double-down on it and continue to insist that they are right. And that’s what you’re doing now. As far as the corroborating evidence, I was talking about the claim that Republicans lied to the Democrats about whether or not a vote would be held. If the Democrats claim one version of events and the Republicans claim another, a fair-minded person couldn’t make a reasonable determination of truth absent any corroboration. But when it turns out that the Republican who claims he didn’t tell the Democrats there would be no vote did tell a reporter there would be no vote, the Republican version of events becomes suspect. In that case, a fair-minded person might reach the reasonable conclusion that the Republicans are lying. |
21st September 2019, 03:29 AM | #203 |
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I wonder why the Trump supporters here and on the rest of the Web who complain about "special pleading" and "different standards", and that we should criticize both sides just as much don't make a point of criticising Republicans as much as they criticise Democrats. It's almost as if ...
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21st September 2019, 09:00 AM | #204 |
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I have criticized Republicans and I’ve seen other posters who are viewed as conservative do so as well . Right here in this thread even. You can look at the “Donald Trump is dangerously mentally ill...” thread for more examples. You won’t find me on threads where the issues have been well sussed-out and there’s no need for more piling on. Yeah, the Republicans suck. Politics sucks in general. I limit my participation in this sub to issues that interest me, where I feel I have a different angle to contribute or where I want to add my voice to particular POV. In this thread, my interest was in countering the “GOP is evil!” refrain that was being sung. Apparently, if I don’t jump on the bandwagon, I’m a liar who has nothing to contribute. Whatever. I’ve made my point; long live bandwagoning! |
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21st September 2019, 10:30 AM | #205 |
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If you want to perpetuate the charade that you’re just a fair-minded balancer of the scales, you need to try a lot harder.
When you come into this thread proclaiming right-wing blogs as irrefutable historical documents, it makes you look desperate and your true intentions become that much more obvious. |
21st September 2019, 10:51 AM | #206 |
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And what are my true intentions again, oh psychic wonder?
Maybe you should stop trying to divine my intentions and just respond to what I say -you know, address the argument instead of the arguer. Too many here are more interested in smearing people with a broad brush than actually listening. I’ve substantiated the events recounted in those blogs. You can respond to that or not. Whatever. |
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21st September 2019, 11:19 AM | #207 |
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One does not have to be psychic to read a sign being shoved in one's face.
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No you haven't. You've only provided highly-partisan assertions without evidence. Until you provide corroborating evidence from an effectively unbiased source that substantiates these assertions, it's just more pathetic whataboutism and evasion. |
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21st September 2019, 11:43 AM | #208 |
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To push the Trump-era conservative narrative that everything is fine, Trump is just doing regular president stuff, this is just politics as usual, so settle down you have TDS, Democrats are bad too, and also everything is fine.
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And I have addressed your arguments over and over, and told you in detail why they are poor. Your response has been to ignore the points I’ve made and come after me for somehow being unfair to you.
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21st September 2019, 02:10 PM | #210 |
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[quote=luchog;12827931]One does not have to be psychic to
There I made your sentence true.
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21st September 2019, 08:58 PM | #212 |
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One notable similarity in both cases was that the majority opinion of the citizenry was on the side of the Democrats, but as we know, the NC GOP isn't overly fond of democracy. One notable difference is that while the Dem action on the lottery does appear to be opportunistic, the GOP action on the budget was clearly deliberate deceit: none of the Dems knew there would be a vote, but every Republican knew there would be. I might use those two facts and a few more to argue that NC GOP is uniquely scummy.
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