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I think the Southern Democrats in 1860 might have been just a tad worse.
But the current day GOP is right donwn there with the Know Nothings. |
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I am deliberately avoiding the term "worse". The specific motivation for this thread were the repeated claims
....which I seem to be doing so far. LOL! Anyway, the (hopefully obvious) point is that multiple things can be uniquely bad regardless of whether this or that one is actually worse. |
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You don't have to go that far back. How about the Southern Democrats of the 1950s and 1960s?
This thread reminds me of the Saturday Night Live Skit after the election where the white liberals are all moaning about how this is the worst thing that ever happened in American history, and Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle are shaking their heads in disbelief. |
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While you are patting yourself on the back for erroneously believing you have successfully mocked my thread, please reread and note that I specifically said I am not addressing worse at all.
Meanwhile, I remain satisfied that no one is actually capable of contradicting my claim. |
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Perhaps I need to be clearer.
Your OP is a perfect example of employing special pleading to argue/rant that one party is uniquely bad. Support it with more than your own bare assertions. How about, as johnnykarate might say, some unbiased citations? Maybe some contrasting and comparing with other “bad” political behavior in history. Make an actual case, IOW...put some meat on dem bones. Until you do, I’ll rest on my own conclusion that there is nothing unique about the GOP. And yeah, what theprestige said...a little respect goes a long way. |
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Oh yeah, and your previous post did require a great deal of clarification: You responded to
with .... Now that you've clarified you were referring to me as the OP (rather than the GOP, which, after all, was the subject of the OP) it really looks as though you think I am a major party. I appreciate you thinking that, but I really can't claim it for my own. LOL! |
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Well, my point was to mock your terrible arguments, so I think it was indeed made.
And your arguments continue to be terrible in this thread. You concede that Trump is uniquely bad, but claim that the GOP who supports him is somehow not. It's like saying that the guy robbing the bank is a criminal, but his getaway driver isn't. |
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Oh, you think arguments are being made in this thread? That's weird because there really hasn't been a real argument made in this thread. The OP is a rant asserting that the GOP is uniquely bad; I asserted in response that it isn't true. When the OP puts some meat on the bones (and stops with the "you lied to me" crap) maybe I would respond with arguments in kind. For now, we have dueling assertions.
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Actually, I supported my position by noting the fact that there has never been a major party that espouses so many conspiracy theories. No one so far, including you, has successfully challenged that assertion.
And personally, I've had quite enough of the lies being told by Trump supporters and apologists like you. Enough.
I realize that's probably expecting too much, however. |
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No. I make observations to that which is absolutely clear to anyone and everyone paying attention. You, on the other hand, reference some relatively obscure event in recent NC history and end up utterly incapable of providing an unbiased citation of said event. |
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Thats not supporting your position. That’s doubling down on your assertion. I can do the same thing: I note the fact that every party has espoused conspiracy theories at one time or another in support of my assertion that the modern GOP is not unique in history. Easy-peasy to make assertions and “note” things to “support” a position. Not very effective, but here we are.
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There is no single thing that characterizes the modern GOP as unique amongst historical political parties who have held significant public office in this country. All of the problems they have, many parties in history have had.
The combination of things that characterize the modern GOP, and the degree to which it is characterized by them, would definitely be unique. I was at a Chinese restaurant a few weeks back, and for some reason I've yet to understand they had Fox and Friends on the television over the bar. I sat there enduring that cavalcade of idiodicy for about 45 minutes, as all the various talking heads and politicians did their schtick. I don't think I have ever witness such a profound display of emotionally-stunted stupidity and self-important viciousness outside of a Jr. High School lunchroom. Not one of them manifested the emotional or intellectual maturity expected of anyone over fourteen years old. I disturbingly found myself longing for the days of pompous patricians like Bill Buckley, who could actually talk intelligently, and wrote his own books. I'm not sure anyone on Fox and Friends could actually read a book more intellectually challenging than Dick and Jane Burn A Cross. For someone who grew up on the witty repartee between Buckley and Gore Vidal, watching the current incarnation of conservative punditry was like a trip back to an age when fart jokes were the ne plus ultra of culture. |
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Thats why it’s so strange that you can’t back it up. I mean if it’s so clear, it should be trivial to make a cohesive, well-supported and sourced argument. Your arguments are very much like the typical religious nut’s: “If you can’t see it, you’re just blind, man!”
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Thanks for your post. I know what you mean; I've been exposed to enough of Tucker Carlson, for example, on Fox News to have learned that he likes to argue against liberals simply by changing his voice and speaking of them in a mocking tone. Considering the intersection of media saturation we have with Cable TV, satellite radio and, of course, social media, it's hard for me to see how the modern GOP could even fail to be unique in its brand of corruption: Even if X-style corruption has occurred dozens of times in American history, it's never happened before with the complete inter-connected media saturated world we're living in, and that extra variable should be cause for alarm for any Trump apologists eager to dismiss our concerns. |
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What makes you think I can't back them up? Of course I can back them up. I simply realize it's an absolute waste of time to back up the assertion that the modern GOP engages in Birtherism, Clinton Murder Conspiracies, Millions of Illegals Voting, and Climate Change Denialism with someone who evidently has no interest in an honest debate and is simply interested in trolling me because I earlier challenged him to provide a citation he was never able to supply.
The evidence of those four conspiracy theories being widespread among the GOP is widely available. |
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I will make one exception this time, even though your requests to support it are quite clearly insincere.
Here ya go, educate yourself on this: http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=gop+enabling+trump Knock yourself out! |
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Oof...that’s a really pathetic way to “support” your argument! A google search? Really? johnnykarate was giving me grief for “biased blogs,” I wonder what he would make of that?
Anyway...let’s get this thread straight: You have made a claim that the modern GOP espouses conspiracy theories on a level not seen in American political history. You didn’t say “some members of the GOP.” You didn’t say, “in modern times.” Your claim is literally, the whole GOP right now is worse than any other party in history. Your “support” for this is, basically, words: birtherism! Clinton murders! Illegal voting! To be clear, that is you, completely without evidence, ascribing those words to the entire GOP and asserting that no party ever has done stuff like that. Further, you try and divert attention away from your unwillingness (inability?) to source your claims by saying that you don’t need citations because it’s “quite self-evident.” Finally, you cast aspersions on respondents like myself by calling them “dishonest” or “liars.” No way, pardner; that ain’t the way it works round these here parts. You make a claim; you support it with evidence -not assertions, diversions or aspersions. |
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The Real Reason Republicans Enable Trump
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You continue to ignore the fact that my claim is common knowledge. Hell, even my sarcasm slips past you, Swifty.
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Honest question: Did you click on any of the links? If not, why not? Never mind, I'll tell you why: You care nothing about the truth of what I say. You simply think you're somehow proving a point by perpetually asking me to cite something that is, in fact, common knowledge.
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Republicans are especially bad since they have zero Ideology - they have given up on all principles. They themselves don't know what they want beyond more power.
Their game plan is to neutralize the voters to put them in a position where it won't matter what the electorate wants. Then they'll figure out what to do. |
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I have exceedingly negative opinions about Trump's Republican party. If there was a way to measure, it wouldn't surprise me if they are uniquely bad.
There isn't a feasible way to measure. The proposition is far too vague. For this reason (among others) this thread is 0% productive and virtually guaranteed to remain so (despite that post 17 is spot on). |
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Yeah...sarcasm...that’s the ticket!
Anywho...Christians argue that the existence of God is “common knowledge.” Is that good enough for everyone to accept such a claim? No...no it isn’t. Is “common knowledge” the basis of a sound argument? No...no it isn’t. You can do the ipse dixit shuffle all you like but I ain’t dancing with you.
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You mean the same Southern Democrats who split with the party over the Civil Right's movement and went on to support Barry Goldwater's Republican run for President and then became a major part of the GOP to the point where the current situation is that the Southern States are now redder than a sunburnt, communist, lobster driving a Ferrari!
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