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17th October 2019, 08:56 PM | #161 |
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17th October 2019, 09:02 PM | #163 |
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you know that none of this is right, .. right?
political violence comes by orders of magnitude more from the Right. And fact-checking isn't the same as suppressing speech. Neither is not giving someone a platform you think might cause harm. The data is clear, but for some reason people tend to read it upside down. |
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17th October 2019, 09:09 PM | #165 |
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You compare it to "mere birtherism" when my actual position was about the more general disinformation campaigns the GOP have been waging on social media, causing people such as yourself to believe such rubbish as political violence is coming primarily from the left, or that there is a "progressive political-technological complex" (whatever that is, LOL!), or Birtherism, or Clinton Murder Spree, or Millions of Illegals Voting, etc.
Why don't you address the argument I actually make instead of some oversimplified straw man? Oh yeah, that's right: Disingenuous Much? This probably belongs in here somewhere as well: https://www.vox.com/2018/10/23/18004...-gap-explained |
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Because I thought you were making a more interesting argument. Turns out you weren't. My bad.
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18th October 2019, 03:52 AM | #169 |
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My argument was clarified for you multiple posts ago....and yet here you are. So I ask again: Why are you still here?
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18th October 2019, 11:36 AM | #172 |
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Just saw clips of Trump ridiculing Abraham Lincoln at the rally last night.
That is a danm good argument in support of this thread's proposition. |
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18th October 2019, 11:40 PM | #173 |
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Isn't this kind of obvious? I mean, Trump supporters just aren't real Americans. They aren't patriotic. They don't love their country like real Americans; they're just less than us. A Trump supporters is 3/5 of an American, a lesser class of person.
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18th October 2019, 11:47 PM | #174 |
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Only about 880000 of them in three states and they skewed older so, happily, some of them have died and are no longer infesting the country (as if their kind had value). If 2018 turnout is an indicator of what 2020 will look like, the survivors will be insignificant.
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anyone who is historically literate knows that the modern GOP in both corruption and propensity for violence has deep roots in American history.
Look up the Business Plot, among other things. |
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Page 5 and we are arguing Birtherism? WTF.
Throw out Birtherism completely. We have a president who asserted that every US intelligence agency was wrong and he was right because he looked into Putin’s eyes when Putin said he was not involved. who insisted that his son-in-law be given a security clearance after he repeatedly lied on the applications (and the mere fact that he was given several attempts is outrageous). who regularly denies saying things he said in front of a bank of news cameras. who lies so much that his handlers determined that letting him give testimony under oath would be the end of his political career. The GOP gave him a pass on claiming the sound of windmills cause cancer. They gave him a pass on drawing a line on a weather map in an effort to show that he had not made a mistake by including Alabama in a list of states. [let’s stop and think how bat **** crazy that is and how bizarre it is to pretend that that is normal behavior] The GOP in Georgia decided it was perfectly appropriate for someone on the ballot to oversee the election! The GOP has nominated and approved four judges who earned a not-qualified rating from the ABA. The Ohio GOP struck tens of thousands of voters off the registration lists by finding everyone who hadn’t voted in the past two elections and sending them a postcard. If the card wasn’t returned, they were removed and did not know it until they showed up to vote. They did this knowing that there were other methods that were cheaper and more reliable. The GOP has spent the past three years throwing people in front of microphones to explain that while President Trump said something outrageous, what he really meant was blah-blah-blah. The GOP pretended everything was normal when President Trump was asked about bussing and he gave an answer that indicated that he thought the question was about how to transport children to school. Emoluments Calling the emoluments clause phony. ....... Not all of these are good examples, but surely there is enough evidence to argue the proposition without belaboring a point about Birtherism. ETA deleted a number of items |
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A more overarching glance at the US...
A binary political system, readiness to polarization, politicization of the judiciary, a media machine dealing in an alternate reality, a political party dealing in an alternate reality, an electoral 'college' that's utterly irrelevant in the 21st century, big money in politics, the unhinged acceptance of a practically divine right to gun ownership, privatization of the prison system, a two-tier justice system, an accelerating wealth divide reminiscent of the 1920s, a political party engaged in outright electoral shenanigans. The Ds and least claim to want to redress much of this this. The Rs want the status quo. To keep this dangerous situation a-bubbling is to be unhinged. |
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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I was raised a Religious Right Republican. I've heard all the crap that goes on behind the scenes, that never made it in front of the news cameras. Want to take a guess at how many Republicans buy into the "Black people were better off under slavery than they were in Africa" canard?
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Yeah, I get that you're enlightened and ****, the only poster here raised in a religious right household (evidently my family doesn't count). You go ahead and speak truth to power and I'll continue under the presumption that the other side isn't literally evil for the most part.
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28th October 2019, 10:22 AM | #190 |
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Your entire post was basically a personal attack. You managed to stay within the membership agreement by sufficiently expanding the target of that attack, but in substance how is that any different?
But let's make the criticism of your post itself a little more substantive. Your post is self-contradictory. You're positing people who are both religious fundamentalists and Ayn Rand devotees. These are separate groups, for the rather obvious reason that these ideas are incompatible. Rand's philosophy is inherently anti-religious. You cannot simultaneously be a Christian fundamentalist and a Randian Objectivist. |
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I think you are over stating the exclusiveness of groupings within political parties. Despite his philandering, his lies, his corruption and his bigotry Trump still seems very popular with the evangelical wing of the GOP. By rights his performance should be incompatible with their beliefs and ideas. So a bit of hypocrisy by Rand followers or Christians with regard to the other POV within the GOP wouldn't be too surprising.
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"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law |
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Since neither Rand fanboys nor Evangelicals understand their own ideology, they have no problem conflating the two.
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"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law |
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Evangelicals have a rather particular viewpoint which isn't quite ordinary hypocrisy. They believe that everyone is a sinner, but only evangelicals will be forgiven and saved. If they can convince themselves that Trump is an evangelical while Obama is a secret Muslim (or just a liberal, really), then behavior be damned, if God will forgive Trump but not Obama, then of course they should too. |
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You are right. Slavery is probably hyperbolic (at least for poor whites). Serfdom is more correct.
As for the other side being "evil", I guess only from the perspective of a proponent of liberal Democracy. Conservatism as a movement was after all founded in order to perpetuate aristocratic rule as monarchies fell. |
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30th October 2019, 08:46 AM | #198 |
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The long history of conservatism has little to do with contemporry US conservatives. You might as well say that the GOP is the party of minority rights since they rose with the election of Lincoln.
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