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19th May 2012, 05:10 PM | #441 |
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LOL. Still running like a rabbit from posting the hi-rez video. Why is that? It can only strengthen your
You may take your pick of any of the hi-rez ones that have already been posted in this thread. |
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These two guys were looking at the towers and wondered how it just exploded. You can see the quick edit after the orb appears for a brief moment. The edit advances to well after the explosion.
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19th May 2012, 06:47 PM | #451 |
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Anneliese,
What a harrowing experience. I predict Jammonious will toss a courtly, very gentlemanly word salad that invites you to believe what you *think* you saw as long as you care to, but will seize upon the fact that you did not use pedantically precise wording to the effect that your gaze was transfixed upon the plane from the instant you saw it until it impacted the tower. He will certainly use your "misidentification" as proof that whatever you think you saw couldn't be flight 175. As I said before, it's really hopeless and pointless, he will never acknowledge reality as long as Judy Wood's checks clear (not theory, fact). |
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It's no myth that RADAR tracked these planes into the towers. It's no myth that plane parts were found all around the area of the towers. It's no myth that no-planers are so mockable that they can't produce real evidence. It's no myth that no-planers don't care about reality. Get over yourself.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2hY0QleiHY
Your fantasy is blown away by RADAR, video, photos, and eye witnesses, and big plane parts, even some DNA. You don't seem to grasp science. Why do you support lies? |
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Now would be the perfect time to fulfill "point 2" of your "Ten Point Plan"
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Yet the fact that the explosives couldn't be heard either is no-nevermind? "Ultra loud" is not a scientific term, and your refusal to be more precise indicates you have no idea what the volume would be in more than the vaguest terms, meaning you cannot present any sort of objective, scientifically verifiable analysis.
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We have an eye witness. Splendid!! Well done!!!
Greetings Dash,
The forum is much enhanced by the addition of your eye witness account. Thank you for posting it. I do not in any way wish to be seen as challenging your account. So, let me say this plainly. I am not challenging your account in any way. What follows is MY understanding of what you have written, looked at in conjunction with the witness account of another poster, jr343, who's account is contained in the OP, with an additional reference to the account of Asst Comm. Stephen Gregory, also added in. Thus, this post consists in two things: 1--Statement of my understanding of your post; and 2--Comparison of your eye witness account with that of jr343 and Stephen Gregory. It is to be hoped that this relatively contemporaneous view will do justice to your location within Battery Park. It also shows Trinity PL and Rector, which is where the comparative poster, jr343, was located, as per his eye witness account. Likewise, West Street, between Liberty and Albany is contained within the view. Below the image is jr 343's account for ready reference: Ear witness,,, ok this is where I can testify... I was just off of the corner of rector street and trinity walking east towards broadway and i heard ( didnt see) the impact but what i heard was a sound to describe as a quick " zhoop - crack - boom " all of which where about one second long each and a slight pause in between all of maybe the same length. Dont know what it means its just the way i remeber it. I am no expert on what it is suppose to sound like however i have been to enough airshows to know that a jet approaching you very fast you will not hear until it is upon you or past you. In my opinion I thought that a jetliner of those size engines would have been louder and in my mind the sound i heard was from a fighter jet or smaller than commercial size engine. But then again I have never heard a jet going allegedly that fast from any distance so i cannot debate the differences. The first impact wasnt actually that forceful to me on the outside as much as the second one. The second one I was outside nyse on wall and it was so powerful that it rattled my head blurry for a second or 2. Just for information.." If the image contains the area of Battery Park City where you were located, Dash, please consider letting us know. It would appear that the distance to the South Tower as between Battery Park City on the west and Trinity and Rector on the east is roughly comparable. Do posters agree?
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I understand you to be putting yourself into the NO PLANE category on this one, but I also understand you to be doing that with reluctance. That is how I understand your phrase "I guess you would class this first part as a so-called no-plane witness". All I can say is that I have no desire to "class you" in any way at all. Your statement speaks for itself. However, your statement is, I think, very, very helpful; and, yes, your statement contains an observation, based on your sensory perception, that NO PLANE hit the North Tower. First comparison: As to the North Tower, Jr343 says: "The first impact wasnt actually that forceful to me on the outside as much as the second one." I understand there to be similarity between Dash and Jr343 on the lack of any sound verification of a claim a jetliner hit the North Tower.
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What your ears revealed was then contradicted by your sister's sense of smell. She smelled jet fuel. As a flight attendant she is presumed to have a greater familiarity with the smell of jet fuel than most. It is my understanding that you do not say what your sense of smell indicated to you; instead, you attribute the olfactory information to your sister.
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OK, in my understanding, the above is the quinessential portion of your PLANE SPOTTER account. Importantly, you spotted a plane. Let me here be clear that I understand that you spotted a plane. Do posters agree that I have acknowledged, without question or doubt of any kind, that Dash saw a plane? You also "heard a roaring sound". Here, then, is the second comparison between Dash and jr343 that I will offer up: Dash: "I heard a roaring sound and looked out to try to find the source." Jr343: "i heard ( didnt see) the impact but what i heard was a sound to describe as a quick " zhoop - crack - boom " all of which where about one second long each and a slight pause in between all of maybe the same length. " My understanding (what was heard): Jr343 described a sound that he did not think was a jetliner. It is unclear to me whether you, Dash, are claiming the "roaring sound" you heard was, to you, that of a jetliner or not. In other words, I am not challenging you on this, I am simply saying I do not think I can have a clear understanding, one way or another, as to whether you correlate the "roaring sound" with that of a jetliner or whether you have doubts about that. I am not asking you to clarify, either. I am simply saying what my understanding is. By the way, and, as an aside, Asst Comm. Stephen Gregory also used the word "roar", he said: "At first I didn't realize it was a plane. I thought it was like the roar of fire, like something had just incinerated, like a gas tank or an oil tank." My understanding (what was seen): Jr343 saw no plane. Stephen Gregory saw no plane. Dash saw a plane. It is also my understanding Dash did not see the plane hit the South Tower but did correlate the spotting of a plane with impact, occurring 3 seconds after seeing it. Once again, this is my understanding. It may be that Dash saw the plane hit the South Tower, but that is not my understanding of her statement.
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The "why" aspect really doesn't fit in all that well. I only mentioned that because the "why" portion is a component of the "W" line of questioning.
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Amazing how you're so willing to be precise when it comes to the size of the planes and their distance, but when it comes to the sound level all you can do is say they would be "ultra loud" and that you base your claims on "common sense and common experience". Given that most people never witness a plane hitting a building at 500mph, it's not really that common, is it?
Yet none of them seemed to think that this was strange in any way. Almost as if that was what you'd expect to see at range. However, from a closer view...
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Jammonius: It's difficult to be a witness to something if you are asleep, like I said I can't be sure what woke me up. If you want to class this as a no-plane statement that's up to you.
Yes I did see the second plane hit the building, and I said so. No I did not immediately attach the explaination of "plane" to the roaring sound. Forgive me for having quite a lot on my mind, it's not everyday you witness people falling from burning buildings. |
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I have indicated location on the image if this helps jammonius. |
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So did I.
I remember watching the tenth annivsary news coverage. They interviewed one of two painters who spent their lives painting the WTC. On that fateful day they were there in their studio painting the WTC as usual. When the towers were hit they did not stop. When the towers collapsed they did not stop. When the clean up and rescue operations were going on they did not stop. And they haven't stopped even during the rebuilding phase. And yet according to Jam and Dustard, these brave people are not witnesses. 9/11 Truthers, failing at failing and disrespecting pretty much everybody of actual worth. |
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