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Have you noticed, jammy jams, that the only people refuting the evidence is you? YOU don't find it verifiable, YOU don't believe it's authentic, YOU, YOU, YOU.
Who cares what you think? Everyone knows what happened, except a fringe few. If posting here makes you feel like you are victorious, then keep going. You're getting attention, and at the end you'll raise your arms and say "I win". What else do you want? I can't imagine that there is anything else. |
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Verifiable witness No. 9
Plane spotters are getting hopelessly behind. But, hey, that's alright with me. Lurkers, please meet a very interesting witness: EMS Captain Frank D'Amato "We came down Barclay Street and we made a left on to West and then we made another left on to Vesey, so we stopped the car at the corner of West and Vesey. I guess that's 6 World TradeCenter. When we got out of the vehicle, we opened the trunk, we put our helmets on and our jackets. At that time we heard another explosion which I thought was a secondary explosion, but which I later found it out was a second plane that hit."http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...IC/9110043.PDF pg 3-4 That counts as a NO PLANER because he didn't see a plane and didn't hear any sound that would alert him to one. And, keep in mind, he was standing with Asst. Comm. Gregory, who likewise saw no plane. These people were in an impeccable location. West Street, between Liberty and Albany. There is literally no better location to have been in to be able to see exactly what was going on. There are other relevant parts to D'Amato's claim. For one, he references being in the same area as was Asst.Comm. Gregory. Some will recall that Asst. Comm. Gregory described seeing a fireball, explosion and hearing a sound he did not think was a jetliner, all as was more fully elaborated way back in the OP. Now, here's something else of signficance in D'Amato's statement: "At that point, Commissioner Gregory instructed Sam Harris to move the car a little bit away from where we had parked it. I believe he parked it on Vesey on the west side of West Street. At that point I tell you, I don't remember what happened with Sam Harris, or Jace Pincus. All I knew is that me and Commissioner Gregory proceeded south on West Street crossing in front of 1 World Trade Center, making our way to the corner of West and Liberty." So, D'Amato, a witness who we know was with Asst. Comm. Gregory does something else that might of interest to investigators: He name's names. I probably shouldn't mention to you guys the names Jace Pincus and Sam Harris, because, after all, they were in the same area as was Asst.Comm. Gregory and they probably have verified witness statements that could be looked at to see if either one of them might be a plane spotter. Nah, there's no need to call attention to that because no one around here has the least bit of interest in posting up a verifiable plane spotter witness, no way. But, if they did, we could probably have a lovely time going back and forth on the relative quality, strength and reliability of the various witnesses. I'm learning a lot about debunkers in this thread. |
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It has already been done, but the troofer think hand waving them away is a valid rebuttal. In the meantime, he believes that people that did not see the plane do not believe the plane existed.
I have found that it is useless having a discussion with someone that wishes to remain terminally ignorant. |
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Don't forget...there was a guy in Baltimore Maryland that didn't see the plane hit the tower either....he counts as 10
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Some will notice that F.D'Amato has been renumbered as NO PLANE witness 9. That is because Becker, at post # 215 is number 8 http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=215 Hey, debunkers, you're really getting hopelessly behind, if I do say so myself. |
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I DID SEE a plane that day and it did not hit the WTC towers. It was at the time (smaller Beech 99) making an approach to an airport in Canada but that counts doesn't it?
BTW @jammonius, your claim of King as being a no-plane witness has been debunked by myself and others. Why is it that you cannot see posts that debunk your claims? |
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This Sam Harris?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddGx7kP7c_g Probably not, he wasn't there but lost friends there. |
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Folks, Jam's been arguing lunacies like this for years. Remember his TV Reporter Dick Oliver thread, and the response to it?
It's utter foolishness to think isolating and skewing minute details helps his argument. That's like trying to disprove the existence of a mountain by arguing details about a fleck of dirt. Fact of the matter is, it's on record that people saw the jet. Hell, Foolmewunz in this very forum described his personal experience seeing WTC1 get hit that day, and he even described it in a reply to Jammonius in a thread started by Jammonius. That's merely one example of many. Trying to say that people who didn't see the jet for various reasons (such as being inside the building, not looking right at the towers, having their view obscured by one of the towers as the other was hit, etc.) proves that no jet was there to begin with is sheer foolishness. And it's a refuted stance when all the other evidence is taken into consideration. Ignoring all the witnesses that saw the jet, or trying to set up a "win by numbers" false choice situation is foolishness times ten. There's nothing more to say to him. He's arguing an already refuted stance. |
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http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lie...untsofthenycai
Dozens of witnesses to the planes in one link. Try to keep up jammy. You're way behind. |
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"I saw it" - "wings turned" - "Chief, I witnessed it" - "100% sure" but according to jammonious, who does not wish to challenge the veracity of any account and only wishes to interpret what witnesses say on the plain meaning of their own words, this is not an eyewitness to actual impact of the aircraft. |
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HEY, JAMMS?
I proved you lied about one witness, who was inside the stairwell of WTC North when the plane hit the South Tower. Remember that? Must be nice to be the Judge, jury and executioner, huh jamms, particularly given that real Judges don't think so highly of your work. Witness number 1,321,637: Kelly Nowitski was in a coma when the plane hit and neither heard nor saw a plane. /Man, the *********** No Planers are really having their way with the Truth Movement, huh? It is like three vultures humping on the bloated corpse of a cow. You'll notice that the rest of the truthers never show in their threads. Wonder why jamms? Must be "lurking." lulz |
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So, we've established that everyone who saw the planes hitting the towers saw the planes hitting the towers and everyone who didn't see the planes hitting the towers didn't see the planes hitting the towers. That's pretty straight forward don't you think. Seems on odd thing to discuss really.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQl79...feature=relmfu
Listen at 19 seconds. There's also the CNN and NBC camera men who have video evidence that they saw the planes impacting the towers. Not really sure why there's any debate on this topic. |
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AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 11
CREW Barbara Arestegui, 38, Marstons Mills, Massachusetts Jeffrey Collman, 41, Novato, Calif. Sara Low, 28, Batesville, Arkansas Karen A. Martin, 40, Danvers, Mass. First Officer Thomas McGuinness, 42, Portsmouth, New Hampshire Kathleen Nicosia, 54, Winthrop, Mass. John Ogonowski, 52, Dracut, Massachusetts Betty Ong, 45, Andover, Massachusetts Jean Roger, 24, Longmeadow, Massachusetts Dianne Snyder, 42, Westport, Massachusetts Madeline Sweeney, 35, Acton, Massachusetts PASSENGERS Anna Williams Allison, 48, Stoneham, Massachusetts David Angell, 54, Pasadena, California Lynn Angell, 45, Pasadena, California Seima Aoyama, 48, Culver City, Calif. Myra Aronson, 52, Charlestown, Massachusetts Christine Barbuto, 32, Brookline, Massachusetts Carolyn Beug, 48, Los Angeles, California Kelly Ann Booms, 24, Brookline, Mass. Carol Bouchard, 43, Warwick, Rhode Island Neilie Anne Heffernan Casey, 32, Wellesley, Massachusetts Jeffrey Coombs, 42, Abington, Massachusetts Tara Creamer, 30, Worcester, Massachusetts Thelma Cuccinello, 71, Wilmot, New Hampshire Patrick Currivan, 52, Winchester, Mass. Brian Dale, 43, Warren, New Jersey David DiMeglio, 22, Wakefield, Mass. Donald Americo DiTullio, 49, Peabody, Mass. Albert Dominguez, 66, Sydney, Australia Paige Farley-Hackel, 46, Newton, Mass. Alex Filipov, 70, Concord, Massachusetts Carol Flyzik, 40, Plaistow, N.H. Paul Friedman, 45, Belmont, Massachusetts Karleton D.B. Fyfe, 31, Brookline, Massachusetts Peter Gay, 54, Tewksbury, Massachusetts Linda George, 27, Westboro, Massachusetts Edmund Glazer, 41, Los Angeles, California Lisa Fenn Gordenstein, 41, Needham, Massachusetts Andrew Peter Charles Curry Green, 34, Santa Monica, Calif. Peter Hashem, 40, Tewksbury, Massachusetts Robert Hayes, 37, from Amesbury, Massachusetts Edward (Ted) R. Hennessy, 35, Belmont, Mass. John A. Hofer, 45, Los Angeles, Calif. Cora Hidalgo Holland, 52, of Sudbury, Massachusetts Nicholas Humber, 60, of Newton, Massachusetts, Waleed Iskandar, 34, London, England John Charles Jenkins, 45, Cambridge, Mass. Charles Edward Jones, 48, Bedford, Mass. Robin Kaplan, 33, Westboro, Massachusetts Barbara Keating, 72, Palm Springs, Calif. David P. Kovalcin, 42, Hudson, New Hampshire Judy Larocque, 50, Framingham, Mass. Natalie Janis Lasden, 46, Peabody, Mass. Daniel John Lee, 34, Van Nuys, Calif. Daniel C. Lewin, 31, Charlestown, Mass. Susan A. MacKay, 44, Westford, Massachusetts Christopher D. Mello, 25, Boston, Mass. Jeff Mladenik, 43, Hinsdale, Illinois Antonio Jesus Montoya Valdes, 46, East Boston, Mass. Carlos Alberto Montoya, 36, Bellmont, Mass. Laura Lee Morabito, 34, Framingham, Massachusetts Mildred Rose Naiman, 81, Andover, Mass. Laurie Ann Neira, 48, Los Angeles, Calif. Renee Newell, 37, of Cranston, Rhode Island Jacqueline J. Norton, 61, Lubec, Maine Robert Grant Norton, 85, Lubec, Maine Jane M. Orth, 49, Haverhill, Mass. Thomas Pecorelli, 31, of Los Angeles, California Berinthia Berenson Perkins, 53, Los Angeles, Calif. Sonia Morales Puopolo, 58, of Dover, Massachusetts David E. Retik, 33, Needham, Mass. Philip M. Rosenzweig, 47, Acton, Mass. Richard Ross, 58, Newton, Massachusetts Jessica Sachs, 22, Billerica, Massachusetts Rahma Salie, 28, Boston, Mass. Heather Lee Smith, 30, Boston, Mass. Douglas J. Stone, 54, Dover, N.H Xavier Suarez, 41, Chino Hills, Calif. Michael Theodoridis, 32, Boston, Mass. James Trentini, 65, Everett, Massachusetts Mary Trentini, 67, Everett, Massachusetts Pendyala Vamsikrishna, 30, Los Angeles, Calif. Mary Wahlstrom, 78, Kaysville, Utah Kenneth Waldie, 46, Methuen, Massachusetts John Wenckus, 46, Torrance, Calif. Candace Lee Williams, 20, Danbury, Conn. Christopher Zarba, 47, Hopkinton, Massachusetts UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175 CREW Robert Fangman, 33, Claymont, Del. Michael R. Horrocks, 38, Glen Mills, Pa. Amy N. Jarret, 28, North Smithfield, R.I. Amy R. King, 29, Stafford Springs, Conn. Kathryn L. LaBorie, 44, Providence, R.I. Alfred Gilles Padre Joseph Marchand, 44, Alamogordo, N.M. Capt. Victor Saracini, 51, Lower Makefield Township, Pa. Michael C. Tarrou, 38, Stafford Springs, Conn. Alicia Nicole Titus, 28, San Francisco, Calif. PASSENGERS Alona Avraham, 30, Asdod, Israel. Garnet Edward (Ace) Bailey, 54, Lynnfield, Mass. Mark Bavis, 31, West Newton, Mass. Graham Andrew Berkeley, 37, Boston, Mass. Touri Bolourchi, 69, Beverly Hills, Calif. Klaus Bothe, 31, Linkenheim, Baden-Wurttemberg, Germany Daniel R. Brandhorst, 41, Los Angeles, Calif David Reed Gamboa Brandhorst, 3, Los Angeles, Calif. John Brett Cahill, 56, Wellesley, Mass. Christoffer Carstanjen, 33, Turner Falls, Mass. John (Jay) J. Corcoran, 43, Norwell, Mass Dorothy Alma DeAraujo, 80, Long Beach, Calif. Ana Gloria Pocasangre de Barrera, 49, San Salvador, El Salvador Lisa Frost, 22, Rancho Santa Margarita, Calif. Ronald Gamboa, 33, Los Angeles, Calif. Lynn Catherine Goodchild, 25, Attleboro, Mass. Peter Morgan Goodrich, 33, Sudbury, Mass. Douglas A. Gowell, 52, Methuen, Mass. The Rev. Francis E. Grogan, 76, of Easton, Mass. Carl Max Hammond, 37, Derry, N.H. Peter Hanson, 32, Groton, Mass. Sue Kim Hanson, 35, Groton, Mass. Christine Lee Hanson, 2, Groton, Mass. Gerald F. Hardacre, 61, Carlsbad, Calif. Eric Samadikan Hartono, 20, Boston, Mass. James E. Hayden, 47, Westford, Mass. Herbert W. Homer, 48, Milford, Mass. Robert Adrien Jalbert, 61, Swampscott, Mass. Ralph Francis Kershaw, 52, Manchester-by-the-Sea, Mass. Heinrich Kimmig, 43, Willstaett, Germany Brian Kinney, 29, Lowell, Mass. Robert George LeBlanc, 70, Lee, N.H. Maclovio Lopez, Jr., 41, Norwalk, Calif. Marianne MacFarlane, MacFarlane, 34, Revere, Mass. Louis Neil Mariani, 59, Derry, N.H. Juliana Valentine McCourt, 4, New London, Conn. Ruth Magdaline McCourt, 45, New London, Conn. Wolfgang Peter Menzel, 59, Wilhelmshaven, Germany Shawn M. Nassaney, 25, Pawtucket, R.I. Marie Pappalardo, 53, Paramount, Calif. Patrick Quigley, 40, of Wellesley, Mass. Frederick Charles Rimmele, 32, Marblehead, Mass. James M. Roux, 43, Portland, Maine Jesus Sanchez, 45, Hudson, Mass. Mary Kathleen Shearer, 61, Dover, N.H. Robert Michael Shearer, 63, Dover, N.H. Jane Louise Simpkin, 36, Wayland, Mass. Brian D. Sweeney, 38, Barnstable, Mass. Timothy Ward, 38, San Diego, Calif. William M. Weems, 46, Marblehead, Mass. Source: http://www.sacred-texts.com/ame/911/aa11.htm http://www.sacred-texts.com/ame/911/ua175.htm |
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Ok...just for accuracy...it was a reclaimed coal strip mine...not a landfill. Sorry to nitpick.
ETA: Congratulations Tracy on usurping Jammy's thread! It takes first class attention seeking superpowers to pull the conversation away from his irresistible nonsense. You rock! |
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Jammy, you do realize how sound is affected by large buildings in a city, don’t you? If you do, do you realize that your “witnesses” are located to the north of tower 2, and some of them are in the stairwell of tower 1. How would they see or hear an aircraft approaching from the south?
By the way, I am still waiting for you to contact me as to when you are coming to NYC. Remember? |
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Wow I've missed all this insanity while I've been away! Jammy and Dusty? We are so lucky!
They were planes, I saw A PLANE, My sister saw a PLANE, My sister saw her United Airlines co-workers die as that PLANE hit. Just STOP IT, NOW. |
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