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PAPD Sgt William Ross - "I observed a commercial passenger jet flying over at an extremely low altitude, and heading south. ..."just east of the Empire State Building, and, to my best estimation, no higher than 500' above it."...." The landing gear was up and the doors that house the gear closed. The plane was, as I stated, traveling south and was moving at a high rate of speed. It was flying level and straight. The pilot did not appear to be fighting to maintain control of the aircraft." Patrick McNerney agrees: "While there we observed a large plane flying south over Manhattan. We were surprised at how low and the direction of the plane. We discussed the plane and then moments later all police officers were ordered to the police desk and advised us of the situation" Andrew Lenney - "It was coming down the Hudson. It was banking toward me. I saw the tops of both wings," . "It was turning to make sure it hit the intended target. It plowed in about 20 stories down dead center into the north face of the building." FDNY EMT Ralph "Hank" Ramos - "We were returning back there from Battalion 4 and we were going up, I believe it's Pearl Street, and my partner Alex Loutsky and I, we witnessed the first plane hit the first tower. Saw it flying low and we thought, that plane's flying kind of low, and then it hit the building and we went over the radio and we told central that we had witnessed a plane hitting the building, and at first she didn't believe us, but then other units started saying they saw the same thing and then we proceeded straight over to the Trade Center. " FDNY firefighter Joseph Casaliggi - "On the morning of September 11th we were operating a box up on Church Street Near Canal. There was an odor of gas in the area. While we were out operating, we heard the first plane coming in. I turned around and I watched the plane crash into the north tower. South tower witnesses FDNY Chief Daniel Nigro - "At some point after our arrival and after we had moved to the west side of West Street, I heard a loud roar of a jet, looked up and saw the second plane impact the south tower. At that point it was clear to me it was a terrorist attack. We stepped over small airplane aviation parts, on Vesey, continued west, continued looking at the building." FDNY lieutanent Murray Murad - "No sooner did I run downstairs and look up, than I saw the second plane strike the south tower." Scott Holowach - "I saw it" - "wings turned" - "Chief, I witnessed it" - "100% sure"
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Now judging purely on the basis of the words of these witnesses one simply must conclude that an aircraft did indeed crash into each tower. Of course if one is not judging them on the basis of the words of the witnesses but instead using a personal interpretation of what the witnesses said then one could twist a distort them to mean anything one wished them to say. However jammonious ensures us that he is "making an attempt to interpret what the witness says solely on the basis of the plain meaning of the words used". |
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I prefer incorrect, or hypocritical.
Jammonius claims to be judging solely on the baasis of the exact words of the witness then claims witnesses were wrong if it suits him, and inthe example you cite, that the witness is not merely incorrect but actually lying. |
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Okay, you ran to the grocery store and pet store and while gone were thinking about this thread. It's not odd that you nor anyone can post a single image that depicts anything but blobs and very fake looking imagery. You will never provide anything of value or even present an idea worth more than a real sleuth mocking you.
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Well actually it's a little hard to make out logos on planes roaring past at over 500mph but by all means do try this and let us know how it goes. Using 2001 cameras or less by the way.
However you can make out the admittedly blurry UA logo on United 175's tail. This wouldn't prove anything though because if you're a no planer sticking a logo on to a cgi/hologram plane would be easy right? |
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And you, chief, do nothing more than mocking the victims:
AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 11 CREW Barbara Arestegui, 38, Marstons Mills, Massachusetts Jeffrey Collman, 41, Novato, Calif. Sara Low, 28, Batesville, Arkansas Karen A. Martin, 40, Danvers, Mass. First Officer Thomas McGuinness, 42, Portsmouth, New Hampshire Kathleen Nicosia, 54, Winthrop, Mass. John Ogonowski, 52, Dracut, Massachusetts Betty Ong, 45, Andover, Massachusetts Jean Roger, 24, Longmeadow, Massachusetts Dianne Snyder, 42, Westport, Massachusetts Madeline Sweeney, 35, Acton, Massachusetts PASSENGERS Anna Williams Allison, 48, Stoneham, Massachusetts David Angell, 54, Pasadena, California Lynn Angell, 45, Pasadena, California Seima Aoyama, 48, Culver City, Calif. Myra Aronson, 52, Charlestown, Massachusetts Christine Barbuto, 32, Brookline, Massachusetts Carolyn Beug, 48, Los Angeles, California Kelly Ann Booms, 24, Brookline, Mass. Carol Bouchard, 43, Warwick, Rhode Island Neilie Anne Heffernan Casey, 32, Wellesley, Massachusetts Jeffrey Coombs, 42, Abington, Massachusetts Tara Creamer, 30, Worcester, Massachusetts Thelma Cuccinello, 71, Wilmot, New Hampshire Patrick Currivan, 52, Winchester, Mass. Brian Dale, 43, Warren, New Jersey David DiMeglio, 22, Wakefield, Mass. Donald Americo DiTullio, 49, Peabody, Mass. Albert Dominguez, 66, Sydney, Australia Paige Farley-Hackel, 46, Newton, Mass. Alex Filipov, 70, Concord, Massachusetts Carol Flyzik, 40, Plaistow, N.H. Paul Friedman, 45, Belmont, Massachusetts Karleton D.B. Fyfe, 31, Brookline, Massachusetts Peter Gay, 54, Tewksbury, Massachusetts Linda George, 27, Westboro, Massachusetts Edmund Glazer, 41, Los Angeles, California Lisa Fenn Gordenstein, 41, Needham, Massachusetts Andrew Peter Charles Curry Green, 34, Santa Monica, Calif. Peter Hashem, 40, Tewksbury, Massachusetts Robert Hayes, 37, from Amesbury, Massachusetts Edward (Ted) R. Hennessy, 35, Belmont, Mass. John A. Hofer, 45, Los Angeles, Calif. Cora Hidalgo Holland, 52, of Sudbury, Massachusetts Nicholas Humber, 60, of Newton, Massachusetts, Waleed Iskandar, 34, London, England John Charles Jenkins, 45, Cambridge, Mass. Charles Edward Jones, 48, Bedford, Mass. Robin Kaplan, 33, Westboro, Massachusetts Barbara Keating, 72, Palm Springs, Calif. David P. Kovalcin, 42, Hudson, New Hampshire Judy Larocque, 50, Framingham, Mass. Natalie Janis Lasden, 46, Peabody, Mass. Daniel John Lee, 34, Van Nuys, Calif. Daniel C. Lewin, 31, Charlestown, Mass. Susan A. MacKay, 44, Westford, Massachusetts Christopher D. Mello, 25, Boston, Mass. Jeff Mladenik, 43, Hinsdale, Illinois Antonio Jesus Montoya Valdes, 46, East Boston, Mass. Carlos Alberto Montoya, 36, Bellmont, Mass. Laura Lee Morabito, 34, Framingham, Massachusetts Mildred Rose Naiman, 81, Andover, Mass. Laurie Ann Neira, 48, Los Angeles, Calif. Renee Newell, 37, of Cranston, Rhode Island Jacqueline J. Norton, 61, Lubec, Maine Robert Grant Norton, 85, Lubec, Maine Jane M. Orth, 49, Haverhill, Mass. Thomas Pecorelli, 31, of Los Angeles, California Berinthia Berenson Perkins, 53, Los Angeles, Calif. Sonia Morales Puopolo, 58, of Dover, Massachusetts David E. Retik, 33, Needham, Mass. Philip M. Rosenzweig, 47, Acton, Mass. Richard Ross, 58, Newton, Massachusetts Jessica Sachs, 22, Billerica, Massachusetts Rahma Salie, 28, Boston, Mass. Heather Lee Smith, 30, Boston, Mass. Douglas J. Stone, 54, Dover, N.H Xavier Suarez, 41, Chino Hills, Calif. Michael Theodoridis, 32, Boston, Mass. James Trentini, 65, Everett, Massachusetts Mary Trentini, 67, Everett, Massachusetts Pendyala Vamsikrishna, 30, Los Angeles, Calif. Mary Wahlstrom, 78, Kaysville, Utah Kenneth Waldie, 46, Methuen, Massachusetts John Wenckus, 46, Torrance, Calif. Candace Lee Williams, 20, Danbury, Conn. Christopher Zarba, 47, Hopkinton, Massachusetts UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175 CREW Robert Fangman, 33, Claymont, Del. Michael R. Horrocks, 38, Glen Mills, Pa. Amy N. Jarret, 28, North Smithfield, R.I. Amy R. King, 29, Stafford Springs, Conn. Kathryn L. LaBorie, 44, Providence, R.I. Alfred Gilles Padre Joseph Marchand, 44, Alamogordo, N.M. Capt. Victor Saracini, 51, Lower Makefield Township, Pa. Michael C. Tarrou, 38, Stafford Springs, Conn. Alicia Nicole Titus, 28, San Francisco, Calif. PASSENGERS Alona Avraham, 30, Asdod, Israel. Garnet Edward (Ace) Bailey, 54, Lynnfield, Mass. Mark Bavis, 31, West Newton, Mass. Graham Andrew Berkeley, 37, Boston, Mass. Touri Bolourchi, 69, Beverly Hills, Calif. Klaus Bothe, 31, Linkenheim, Baden-Wurttemberg, Germany Daniel R. Brandhorst, 41, Los Angeles, Calif David Reed Gamboa Brandhorst, 3, Los Angeles, Calif. John Brett Cahill, 56, Wellesley, Mass. Christoffer Carstanjen, 33, Turner Falls, Mass. John (Jay) J. Corcoran, 43, Norwell, Mass Dorothy Alma DeAraujo, 80, Long Beach, Calif. Ana Gloria Pocasangre de Barrera, 49, San Salvador, El Salvador Lisa Frost, 22, Rancho Santa Margarita, Calif. Ronald Gamboa, 33, Los Angeles, Calif. Lynn Catherine Goodchild, 25, Attleboro, Mass. Peter Morgan Goodrich, 33, Sudbury, Mass. Douglas A. Gowell, 52, Methuen, Mass. The Rev. Francis E. Grogan, 76, of Easton, Mass. Carl Max Hammond, 37, Derry, N.H. Peter Hanson, 32, Groton, Mass. Sue Kim Hanson, 35, Groton, Mass. Christine Lee Hanson, 2, Groton, Mass. Gerald F. Hardacre, 61, Carlsbad, Calif. Eric Samadikan Hartono, 20, Boston, Mass. James E. Hayden, 47, Westford, Mass. Herbert W. Homer, 48, Milford, Mass. Robert Adrien Jalbert, 61, Swampscott, Mass. Ralph Francis Kershaw, 52, Manchester-by-the-Sea, Mass. Heinrich Kimmig, 43, Willstaett, Germany Brian Kinney, 29, Lowell, Mass. Robert George LeBlanc, 70, Lee, N.H. Maclovio Lopez, Jr., 41, Norwalk, Calif. Marianne MacFarlane, MacFarlane, 34, Revere, Mass. Louis Neil Mariani, 59, Derry, N.H. Juliana Valentine McCourt, 4, New London, Conn. Ruth Magdaline McCourt, 45, New London, Conn. Wolfgang Peter Menzel, 59, Wilhelmshaven, Germany Shawn M. Nassaney, 25, Pawtucket, R.I. Marie Pappalardo, 53, Paramount, Calif. Patrick Quigley, 40, of Wellesley, Mass. Frederick Charles Rimmele, 32, Marblehead, Mass. James M. Roux, 43, Portland, Maine Jesus Sanchez, 45, Hudson, Mass. Mary Kathleen Shearer, 61, Dover, N.H. Robert Michael Shearer, 63, Dover, N.H. Jane Louise Simpkin, 36, Wayland, Mass. Brian D. Sweeney, 38, Barnstable, Mass. Timothy Ward, 38, San Diego, Calif. William M. Weems, 46, Marblehead, Mass. Source: http://www.sacred-texts.com/ame/911/aa11.htm http://www.sacred-texts.com/ame/911/ua175.htm |
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Oops! I think you meant to post in this thread.
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Evidently you missed the photo in post #376 which clearly shows an aircraft flying toward the south tower. The fact that you will call it a blob, an orb, or whatever else you decide proves only one thing. You are blind.
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Once again, you are using a witness that was put into the OP. I posted the OP. I think about as much advantage as can be gotten from that witness has already occurred. The advantage that was taken of him consisted in LashL making a huge,great,large,supendously insightful claim that I had transgressed 5 and maybe all 7 of the "deadly sins" by using the word "right next" instead of "behind" in my description of what I think is the most important part of his statement; and, the sin of thinking that most important part is the dialogue between Holowach and Ganci and not Holowach plane spotting claim. What LashL did not consider is that there is no way of knowing who had the better vantage point, Ganci or Holowach? The point is, not whether "right next" is the same or not as "behind" the point is, they were both at the command center on West Street between Liberty and Albany, right in front of the South Tower, with a birdseye view of it. Separate and apart from all of that, it bears repeating: I am the one who posted up the witness and his account. I only claim that Chief Ganci is a NO PLANE witness. It is not up to me to find PLANE SPOTTER witnesses. But, I did give you Holowach and I did so in post # 1. There are witnesses who claim to have seen a plane, some say large, some say small and/or some other flying object, like missile, to name one example of what witnesses say. I have said that, for me, Ganci is more credible than Holowach. It is important to mention, as well, that Holowach and Ganci are in the same vicinity, at or near the command center, as was Asst. Commn. Gregory. All three are very important as witnesses because their location is known, there purpose in being there is known, their statements were taken in a formal setting where they were obliged to speak truthfully, factually and unemotionally. These are valid witnesses. Of the three, two are NO PLANERS and one is a PLANE SPOTTER. The odds are against you. |
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I see jammy is still running from the list of dozens of witnesses that has been posted my multiple people. What are you afraid of?
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