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9th February 2009, 03:59 PM | #1 |
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Beijing fire - well that didn't take long
Paul Joseph Watson over at prison planet didn't waste any time comparing the Mandarin tower in Beijing to WTC 7.
The stupidity is palpable. The Mandarin Hotel building is so exactly like WTC 7. |
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Ya just had to make me click on that link, didn't you
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Are you blind? If one had the view from the opposite side from that in the pic you post, you would see the giant "7".
I see that there were a lot of 'explosions' during this fire and that it was said that the roof'exploded'. Obviously this was a failed NWO attempt at bringing down a building in the same fashion by which the WTC buildings came down. You would have thought that since they got it right 8 years ago they'd get it right again. |
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I dared leave a comment on the story at PP which I'm sure will be deleted to protect the gullible.
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I could only get through a bit of it before the stupid burned so bad that I had to stop.
They completely misunderstand the how thermal expansion is said to have been the root cause of the demise of WTC 7. They fail to understand that the construction techniques were very different(The Mandarin was not built over a pre-existing structure nor does it contain large open spaces between columns), they fail to notice that the fire started on one floor or that it had no structural damage prior to the fire, and they must love the effect that night time video has for fires. Does anyone know what materials were used, is it all steel or steel/concrete? |
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It was a hotel! There would not be a great need for the very large expanses that were present in WTC 7.
Furthermore the thermal expansion that brought down WTC 7 had the contributary cause of the assymetrical placement of floor girders and beams. If the Mandarin did not also have that then thermal expansion would not do what it is said to have done in WTC 7. If it had beams embeded in the concrete floor, If it had greater coupling between steel floor members and the concrete floor pan, ,,,,,,and on and on. But PP would have us believe that since the building was on fire and since it was only a few stories short of WTC 7 then that's all one needs to know to realize that WTC 7 was destroyed by explosives. As I said, the stupid burns brightly over there. __________________________________ In case anyone doubts the reason why many of us wish to remain anonymous one need only read a few posts such as (bolds mine)
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… were they storing fireworks in the building, I mean by the way the fire burnt. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7879881.stm
I wonder if the building will have to come down like the other buildings 911Truth spew woo on. Madrid, gone, Meridian 1, gone. Oops, 40 stories, how tall is WTC7? OMG 7 stories more, it is a CT add 7 to the hotel floors and you get 47; just like WTC7? Were they the same design? (hint: no) The large gravity defying building is 234 meters, looms in the background of the burnt building. Hotel 157 meters (fire) WTC7 226 meters The CCTV Tower 234 meters It happened today, why would 911Truth wait for the final report? |
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I'm surpised to hear about this one going up in smoke... I've heard about that building a few times in the past, and Rem Koolhas is a big name to hear about with this one. I really was looking forward to seeing the final product. Although, prisonplanet's done it again with the reign of idiocy...
In true form though they've only looked at the materiality and nothing else... that says plenty about their ignorance. We even got a bonus with the Windsor tower reinforced concrete comparison... Way to goooo.... How anyone could stoop to fall for that bag of bull *rule10* comparisons is mind numbing... If you're going to try to believe them, atleast make sure they take more effort than choosing their examples at random ETA: Thought this might be interesting: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020900870.html
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TLC or the Discovery channel IIRC once showed an episode which talked about this building while it was in the design stages, I don't know where to find it though. I don't have any case studies on it yet, (google is utterly flooded with the news of this fire), but the top section cantilevered and connected to the 2nd tower piece will have required a customized framing system to support it. That design is nothing like the tube on tube design of the twin towers and certainly nothing like WTC 7. That will have had a significant impact on its performance, albeit, there are some fears the the building could collapse, from what I'm reading.
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Was the building smashed into by debrees from a skyscraper? No?
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Only the hotel was on fire, the CCTV Tower was not damaged.
http://hawtaction.com/2008/07/tall-b...edia-park.html |
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I tried finding some info on that, but came up empty. I did find one site that mentioned that this is an earthquake prone area, so you'd expect the design to be fairly sturdy. Also, note that the base is much wider than the upper portion. As with a pyramid, that would also significantly improve it's sturdiness compared to a vertical tower like WTC7. Perhaps someone like Architect can point us to a site that would list the design data. |
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Damn, no wonder the fire spread so fast.
It was hollow http://www.eikongraphia.com/wordpres...%20Section.jpg More pics http://www.highrise-frankfurt.de/pic...8-05201034.jpg http://www.highrise-frankfurt.de/pic...8-05201001.jpg |
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Arup is going to take a big hit on this.
http://www.arup.com/eastasia/feature.cfm?pageid=4000 http://www.arup.com/eastasia/feature.cfm?pageid=8883 http://www.arup.com/_assets/_download/download471.pdf Another image of the design, not the best. http://www.oma.eu//images/photocache...451x329x90.jpg |
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the fire was fought and extinguished within three hours, Also it was still under construction and unoccupied. They cite building materials stored in the building caught fire after an evening of illegal fire works celebrating a lunar new year. Fire investigators found pieces of exploded fireworks on the roof.
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And a Fireman has died.
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Every building that catches fire must collapse or the theory of collapsing buildings is invalid. Every time there is a two (or more) vehicle auto accident, someone must die or those who've died previously in automobile accidents must've been murdered.
What a simpleton Paul Joseph Watson is, along with his followers at Prison Planet. Does he (do they) really think it's as simple as "catch fire", "collapse"? These guys are laughably simple. |
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Basically the TVCC building was in effect two separate structures with a common roof design that braced the two structures to each other along with diagonal internal bracing between the two towers. Add to that the diagonal bracing of the adjoining sloped structures, newly installed fire insulation and no large open spaces in the two towers.
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Yes, not everyone gets to take structural analysis 1, 2 and steel design. I guess it depends on your view of understanding.
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Pity it had to burn, and terrible that a firefighter was killed (maybe more, I hope not) -- but this should prove useful to analyze. This is one of a very few total-loss skyscraper fires to affect a design after the lessons of September 11th were applied. Nothing beats a true destructive evaluation. I look forward to reading about it.
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Videos are now hitting Youtube:
Look at that sucker burn. Also be advised that the explosions heard on the video clearly denote a NWO operation and was totally an inside jobby job. ETA: After watching this video a couple times and noticing the embers flying out of the top of the building with each "pop", please someone tell me they weren't launching fireworks from the top of that building. |
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Would you guys say that fire was hotter than WTC1 or 2?
Now remember you only need to weaken the steel. Bwahaha. |
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Well, Tweeter. Except that TVCC was NOT a steel-frame building:
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Without the blue prints it will be hard to even compare the core. There's no telling the overall strength or ductility of those supports.
http://www.amazon.com/Design-Concret.../dp/0072921994 If anyone wants to gain some concrete knowledge, that book might help you get a better look at what's going on. |
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The main point being, since this building is a completely different design, made with different materials, it is no where near comparable to WTC7. PP was trying to make a direct comparison, for purposes of refuting the NIST report on WTC7, with absolutely no consideration for how accurate the comparison is. That's sufficient for me to see that PP is (still) nothing but CT-biased propaganda. I'll wait for the real engineers to report on what they learn from this event, since I know I don't have the training to contribute much to a real analysis. |
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