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7th April 2009, 03:22 PM | #721 |
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7th April 2009, 03:29 PM | #724 |
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Twoofers start with utter shock and horror at what they saw, then get exposed to the nattering of an idiiot who thinks he has also proven that Jesus Christ visited Yucatan (on the basis of his total lack of understanding of European and Mayan iconography and the methods of crucifiction,) the lies of a French intle officer who was dishonorably discharged for treason, who also poses as a fire fighting expert, but misidentifies P-23 Oshkosh fire trucks as "tankers for medium sized fires, Nazi dirt bags like Chris Bollyn and a whole bunch of obvious lunatics like Judy Woo-woo, then come to the obviously flawed conclusion that an actual scientist like Shyam Sunder is feeding them BS.
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Wow, this thread moves quickly. If the paint had that chemical composition, then it would have those energy release characteristics.
Since steel is a great heat sink, the steel would probably have to approach 430 C for ignition to occur. In that case, the building is already in trouble. Also, even if it does ignite, the thickness of the layers is such that not a whole lot of heat can be transferred to the steel. As Mackey has noted, the energy density is less than paper. That's my take on it anyway. |
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7th April 2009, 03:40 PM | #727 |
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Hi.
I found a picture of molten aluminium: eecue.com/img/images_pic-original-25230-hot_aluminum.jpg (sorry, can't post links) Also i skimmed one of the articles that they refer to, and they find that making the thermite "nano" lowers the ignition temperature to 630 degrees, but that is still 200 degrees higher than what Harrit et al claims to have found... |
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If that is the case then please show me where I have gone wrong in my analysis. I am more than capable of admitting that I am wrong on every issue with regard to the OP and Jones' paper.
I never started with a conclusion, infact I was surprised by the OP and the fact that Jones has put out a paper. Upon reading it I was struck by some of the "chip" characteristics particularly under SEM analysis, which instantly reminded me of other materials I have seen. If they had looked like thermite I'd be backing Jones to the hilt but the samples don't. When I also find out about the NIST reports specific experiments to determine at what temperature the paint starts to craze and find this - edit: with the help of members who've contributed to this thread then even more alarm bells start ringing. You can see bright metallic debris still attached to the peeling paint which is far smaller than the darker, larger flakes which NIST describe as "black scale". This scale is also lifting from the steel's surface. Is it part of the steel that's been oxidised and is spalling or is it part of the paint or something else? Come on truthers - comment on this comparison. |
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'A typical JREFers sits in their underwear of their mom's basement'
Holy *****! Where's the hidden camera! btw that may be the most accurate statement by a truther today! |
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Hmm. I'm not sure what you mean by open daylight, but it really seems to me that the picture is taken outside in daylight...
also eecue.com/images.php?images_id=25229&fullsize=1 gives another look where you can see that it is clearly the aluminium that is red and not a reflection from the container. |
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Do the world a favor. Take that viral and attach it to every post you can find related to Jones' paper.
Dude is SO busted.
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So if one reads the paper and still concludes that they're paint chips, what is your excuse going to be?
Are you saying that there's no such thing as a legitimate criticism of the paper? Did God write it then? And further, does this paper settle the issue definitively, and if so, how? Is it even necessary for the thermite paint hypothesis to be tested on structural steel or should the idea be accepted as fact first? |
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oh, and one more thing JSSTyger: Do you hold truthers to the same standard? In other words, for them to accept this paper, should they be required to read it first?
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Did you even look at the picture of the paint peeling off the steel?
It appears you didn't. Does it not strike you as odd that Thermite Boy does not mention finding paint chips and identifying them as such in his dust samples? The boy knows as much about paint as he does about crucifiction. |
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nano definition - super duper thermite
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What you need to know about "Peer-review"
Submitted by ProfJones on Tue, 04/07/2009 - 12:07pm. Since the days of Sir Isaac Newton, Science has proceeded through the publication of peer-reviewed papers. Peer-review means a thorough reading, commentary and even challenge before publication by "peers", that is, other PhD's and professors. This paper was thoroughly peer-reviewed with several pages of tough comments that required of our team MONTHS of additional experiments and studies. It was the toughest peer-review I've ever had, including THREE papers for which I was first author in NATURE. (Please note that Prof. Harrit is first author on this paper.) We sought an established journal that would allow us a LONG paper (this paper is 25 pages long) with MANY COLOR IMAGES AND GRAPHS. Such a scientific journal is not easy to find. Page charges are common for scientific journals these days, and are typically paid by the University of the first or second author (as is the case with this paper) or by an external grant. A peer-reviewed journal is also called a "refereed" journal. Peer-reviewers are almost always anonymous for scientific publications like this -- that is standard in the scientific world. While authors commonly recommend potential peer-reviewers, editors choose the referees and usually pick at least one or two reviewers that the authors did NOT mention -- and that is almost certainly the case with this paper (based on commentary we received from the reviewers). In the end, all the reviewers -- who were selected by the editor(s) -- approved publication. Thus, the paper was subjected to peer review by the editor or editors, and it passed the peer-review process. READ THE REST, DEBUNKERS, YOU HAVE BEEN OUTWITTED BY DR. JONES! http://www.911blogger.com/node/19780 This is the science organization that published the paper. They are obviously legitimate, they publish papers by Nobel laureates: http://www.bentham.org/index.htm |
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I've skim read the paper (as you do in order to get a general gist). It's quite heavy with data. I've then read the pages 1-18. I've then analysed the data on pages 1-18 and looked closely at how that data is interpreted in the paper. I've then noticed due to my experience that there are some parts of the SEM photos that are of interest
(that means, "Oi! SEM driver [person operating it], look at that bit will you, zoom in a bit, what's that?" - and then you find it's quarter to 6 in the evening and you've spent the last 8 hrs in a darkened room without a lunch break!) and that I think I recognise some of the platelet shapes. So I look at the corresponding EDS spectra and I get an idea of what they could be. I started from there. Where do other people start from? How are they actually analysing the data in the paper? Are they just looking at the conclusions and accepting it? I would be genuinely interested to get some peoples reactions, for example to, Figure 4. Explain in your own words what you actually see. Doesn't matter how you do it but do your own analysis, what do you see? |
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It means that Jones' thermite chips are indistinguishable from paint chips, right down to the inclusion of bits of iron imbedded in the chips. The spectral analysis shows exactlythe same components that would be present in paint contaminated with calcium sulphate reside (from pulverised drywall.)
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You know who we are forgetting here? Karl Schwarz, one of the world's leading experts on nanotechnology.
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com...l-schwarz.html Surely Karl would know. |
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