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8th April 2009, 02:20 PM | #1001 |
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Correct as far as I know. That's the difference between paramagnetic and magnetic materials (Dare I cite Wikipedia?). I think Dr. Greening only brought up magnetism related to why the chips were attracted to a magnet and wasn't thinking of the paramagnetic properties of Al.
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8th April 2009, 02:23 PM | #1002 |
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False.
No qualified scientist would want to waste the $600 fee to get the rebuttal published or even have their name associated with a junk journal. Dr. Greening is a qualified scientist and Dr. Jones refuses to answer his questions or provide him with the data he asks for. Over a year ago, Dr. Greening asked for Jones' full EDS data. IIRC, it was never sent. Why is Jones keeping is data secret? Why is this ok with you? Why doesn't he disclose what paint he used for comparison? |
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The qualifications in this context are quite low due to all the inconsistancies that can be caught by laymen. Mackey is a published scientist (in real journals) and he has pointed out a number of problems.
I am only simple engineer but I can calculate the effects of the energy output which would require 100 times the thickness of the observed chips to do any damage. This alone is enough to rule out any sinister implications. If you mean that someone needs to publish to challenge the paper you are simply appealing to authority, which, as we all know does not convince a critical thinker. |
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It looks like Steven Jones made a more powerful impact at BYU than we were led tobelieve.
The nine co-authors are Niels H. Harrit, Department of Chemistry, University of Copenhagen, Denmark, Jeffrey Farrer, Department of Physics and Astronomy, Brigham Young University, Steven E. Jones, S&J Scientific Co., Provo, UT, Kevin R. Ryan, 9/11 Working Group of Bloomington, Bloomington, IN, Frank M. Legge, Logical Systems Consulting, Perth, Western Australia, Daniel Farnsworth, Department of Physics and Astronomy, Brigham Young University, Gregg Roberts, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Berkeley, CA, James R. Gourley, International Center for 9/11 Studies, Dallas, TX, and Bradley R. Larsen, S&J Scientific Co., Provo, UT. |
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The truthers have set the bar very high for their paper, maybe a little too high?
"it's a ground-breaking scientific paper" "It's unrebutted!" "The days of the debunkers are numbered" "This is a very important paper!" Be careful truthers to not over do it. The way you're bragging and making noise about it, Jones and company have to suceed, they can't fail. Something has to happen now. If they indeed succeeded in publishing a paper in a true peer-review journal, and if they do have something in their paper that is evidence for their cause, then shouldn't we expect that very soon this will make waves in the scientific community, and attract the media's attention? Won't this make as much of an impact as Einstein's papers on special and general relativity? Let's just wait and see. |
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I have been visiting the JREF forum for three years. The people here do not respond to arguments about evidence. They only respond to arguments based on appeals to authority. That is why I try to confine myself to what is most persuassive here.
Mackey is not a qualified scientist regarding these matters. He has published nothing on the WTC dust. Everything he has posted here was already considered by the science team and the referees. Mackey has not even studied the dust so he simply does not know what he is talking about! Also, Mackey is a rabid debunker. He has reached a conclusion in advance, and then just spins whatever comes his way. I am not into spin, whether it be by Sean Hannity or Mackey. You are one of the few JREFers here that I pay any attention to, along with Gravy. You are on record saying that the insulation would have protected the WTC for two hours, so the Towers could not have fallen in an hour or an hour and a half. I ask you to speak up, now that hard evidence of exploisves has been found. If you have any real questions, I will run them by my friends Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan. If you are going to blend into the JREF herd and throw out your brain then so be it, but I have higher expectations of you. Sincerely, Galileo |
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No, it doesn't. They have the perfect self-reinforcing world view: any apparent success shows they're right, any apparent failure (such as nothing happen as a result of this article) will just be blamed on a conspiracy to cover it up, which they'll say also shows they're right.
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Exactly, they just want to get their foot a little bit in the door, have their paper be published in some ambiguous scientific journal to appear to be legitimate. That's all they want, really. After that they always can come back to this paper and say: see, it's been published in a peer reviewed journal.
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You are not paying attention. The only people who think the WTC fell down from fire are already archie debunkers and defenders of mass murder who hate our freedoms. They have a vested interest in claiming fire took down the WTC and covering up mass murder by the US government.
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No..
I figure that if the work is shoddy, it will be scientifically debunked in another peer reviewed paper.If it is , so be it. Hey, if i watched Magglio Ordonez play all 162 games this year and hit 320, and the NY times says he hit 280, and the Bugtussle tribune says he hit 320, i go with Bugtussle every day of the week. In other words, its a scientific paper, your relenteless efforts to diminish the medium this paper was put out on means nothing, if its not rebutted somewhere else, scientifically. |
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There is no way that the substrances typical of expended thermite would NOT be found in a collapsed office building, even one known to have fallen due to an earthquake, so what would you test for by chemical analysis?
Only a physical examination of the thermite-cut metal would reveal anything, and those would have been obvious to any of the fire fighters on the pile. Get a clue.
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I think its very hard to argue that if the paper is correct, its mighty important. I think that is very safe to say and 100% true.
As the above is in fact the case, why do you suspect not one network has touched it?? I mean, if this paper turns out to be true, why would that not be huge news at any TV station. |
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Why would anybody want it to be the government?
Because in that case, at least there is order. |
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No, we are trying to show you that the only "journal" stupid, desperate, and sleazy enough to print the BS that is Jones paper, is the Bentham Journal in question.
If Jones paper had REAL merit, it would have been picked up by DOZENS of NON "PAY TO PLAY" Journals with editorial boards full of true peers, that were NOT obtained through viral marketing to UNQUALIFIED people. TAM |
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