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8th April 2009, 03:12 PM | #1041 |
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Because they dislike authority?
Because they dislike Bush? Because they dislike the government? Because it sells more dvds/books/bbq aprons? Because they want to feel important? There has to be some reason that truthers reject evidence, logic, and reason in order to cling to their paranoia-based beliefs. Most truthers fall into one or more of the categories above. |
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It was not published in a established journal. It only had 2 volumes. It was a journal ran by a company out of.....wait for it.....Pakistan.
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Hey smarty pants. What you say was already considered by the distiguished team of international scientists, who specialize in chemistry, physics, and mathematics. The referees already considered this as well.
If you are really looking for the truth PM me and I will have my friend Steven Jones answer your question. If you are just a knee-jerkerer debunking the straw man, with no interest in the truth, then don't bother. |
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Are you friends with the clone of Sarah Bernhardt too? I'd like to meet her.
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The problem I have with this elemental Al is if there is sufficient quantity to exhibit paramagnetism and be picked up by a magnet then where the hell is it?
Those SEM photo are going down to 1µm at 50,000x magnification (modern SEMs will do 100,000). This is enough resolution to clearly determine Fe2O3 rhomboidal crystals with the addition of EDS spectrum data. It's also sufficient to clearly determine platelets of a crystalline material that are rich in C, Al, Si and O. Where is the elemental aluminium? It should be there but it's not. They are claiming that these platelets contain elemental Al that is not bonded to anything. How are they determining that? The platelets look like a single structure, why are they not attempting to go to a higher resolution and determine what these platelets are? There isn't a clear indication of what these platelets are - there is no discussion in the paper on this issue. They then use MEK and claim that elemental Aluminium particles are released and that they do some EDS analysis on them. They are not even doing the MEK experiment with any of the chips a-d that they have analysed in the first section but another chip taken from dust sample 2. It has a completely different spectra (for the red layer) than the original four samples! Why are they using a different chip that hasn't been magnified 50,000x to 1µm? There is no correlation between the chip that went through the MEK test and the chips that had more detailed SEM analysis. They should do the MEK test with one of the 4 samples a-d, and then do a post MEK SEM analysis to show where this elemental Aluminium could possibly come from. Why have they done this? Jones even has the cheek to claim that their MEK test was used because it wouldn't attack any aluminosilicates yet the chip they used had never been examined to 1µm to see what sort of particles were present. That is unforgivable. |
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Has Jones worked out that little issue of the quantity of this supposed thermite material required to make good use in an NWO style demolition... Urich seems to have nailed that one... I don't recall seeing it answered by anyone directly involved with the paper.
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oh it will be. What we are pointing out, is that in truther land it does not matter.
If the paper is not picked up and publicized by the MSM, rather than in a sane fashion, deduce that the paper is a fraud, the truthers will determine that the paper is being supressed by the MSM...you watch and see. TAM |
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Hey Galileo- has Jones done research to see if there were any natural
"non thermite" source for them being there in the chemical ridden WTC. Like SUlphur=Drywall, Iron=paint and electronics. Fluorine=freon, Magnesiusm and manganese, and also=paint. ALl are ingredients in thermite and yet all would be found in the WTC's construction. |
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And the thread rolls on with 75% of it being bickering without any discussion of the actual paper and the data that it contains. Why do we let these threads deteriorate whereby the OP is completely forgotten and anyone who wants to discuss the data has to wade through a mountain of off-topic and pointless posts?
If we want a decent discussion concerning this paper and it's data then it will have to be a new one with heavy moderation to keep those who only want to post dross from doing so. /sigh. |
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I am very curious about the grey material. Do you think it might have formed some kind of capsules for the nanothermite ? Could it be a nano material itself ? It seems to be mgnetic, containing only iron an oxyen according to the Danish scientist which would put you in mind of a red colour like rust rather than a grey.
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19 terrorists did 911; Why is the plot too complex for Galileo from the pit of 911Truth ignorance? Why is the plot to kill pilots, fly planes into buildings is too complex for someone who prefers pure moronic lies and delusions on 911?
Explain why Jones ignores and make excuses for other elements not found in thermite in his samples? Explain why the samples do not match the heat release of thermite when he claims they are thermite? Explain why you have nothing to offer save moronic claptrap about being the Galileo who now can’t do science to save his own delusions on 911. |
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I don't believe I am on record saying "that the insulation would have protected the WTC for two hours, so the Towers could not have fallen in an hour or an hour and a half." I haven't looked at time/temperature issues in detail and am quite rusty on my thermodynamics so I don't feel I could even make an uneducated guess. Please refer me to the source if I am cited somewhere.
I have looked at insulation removal due to airplane impact and do have issues with NIST's work in that area. However, partial removal may in fact be worse, at least in the columns, due to warpage caused by uneven heating which causes eccentricities which contribute to buckling. If I thought this work was convincing I would support it. My impression of Sunstealer, Mackey and Dr. Greening is that they are good scientists. They are bringing up important issues that should be resolved before getting to far along with acting on any perceived implications. The simple issue of determining the thickness of a thermite coating required to reduce a columns strength by 1/2 would be a good start. The column would need to be heated to 600 deg C, which by gross estimation would require at least thickness of 15mm or 150 times the thickness of the observed samples. If someone wanted to be sure the columns would fail, they would probably use twice that. Can these micro thin layers be remnants of that kind of attack? It just doesn't seem reasonable to me. And then there is the problem of applying what is now 300 coats if painted on. And if it's not painted on, how do you get hundreds of pounds of the material to adhere to steel? Superglue? Did they find that in their analysis? Truth first, then justice. |
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final derail...
I don't have to. Surveys have been done, and posted here that prove the average age of the truther is young. Certainly from the exposure I have seen on the internet, they are also mostly male. As for angry, well you can read their comments for yourself. TAM |
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Sunstealer:
My suggestion is that you take some brief notes of the posts you feel worthy of your original vision of the thread, and then start a new thread with those posts placed in it (quoted or originals) and then have the mods make the new thread a moderated one right from the get go. TAM |
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Excuse me, you are correct in that you questioned how much insulation was removed from the airplane impact. I apologize for the error.
If the uneven removel of insulation could be worse, why wouldn;t NIST just use that hypothesis, since claiming all of it was removed on 4 ot 8 floors is impossible? Regarding the nano-thermite, the scientists only found what remained in the dust. Gordon Ross has shown that explosives were placed on the core columns next to the elevator shafts. This could have been big chunks of thermite, that could have supplimented painted on thermite. |
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I too would like to know more about said "referees", and what they had to say, to Dr.Jones!
Then I remembered a post (Redibis)on page 2 of this wild fire of a thread.
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Why are you bothering to ask him? He won't know.
The "gray layer" looks more and more likely to be a flake of oxidised A36 steel - they are making excuses for the amount of Carbon present and if it is correct that there is an Mn peak at just under 6KeV in samples a,b and d then that's the clincher right there. I've also spent considerable time in response to your last post regarding the "gray layer" here http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=908. Instead of dreaming about nano this and nano that and coming up with the most ridiculous and laughable theories such as a nano-capsule you be better off thinking a bit more down to earth and reading some of the comments that actual look to analyse the paper. I know that a layer of surface rust from a steel beam that's been further oxidised to Fe3O4, flaked away from the parent material (carrying paint with it) isn't mildly glamorous or have the same appeal as nano-capsules, but that's the real world - I suggest you join it sometime. |
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What we need now is Crazy Chainsaw to return and conduct some Spetral Analysis on 010 Tnemec Red Primer, to show us as a comparison...lol
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Professor Niels Harrit said the following:-
''The red part of the splinter contain carbon, oxygen, aluminum, silicon and iron, while the gray only contains iron and oxygen. Splinter are magnetic.'' http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...90406135508204 Does he mean that the grey material contains only iron and oxygen or is composed of only iron and oxygen ? If it's the last one it is a recipe for rust and if it's the first one then what is the grey material itself ? |
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