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9th April 2009, 01:10 PM | #1321 |
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Thermite is not an explosive. The chips are not claimed to be a residue, but are postulated to be the actual material. However, without an example of real nanothermite to compare it to, they are only speculating. The fact that the refuse to identify the paint that they are using for comparison further proves that they have nothing. Since this is published in a vanity rag and not a recognized, legitimate peer-reviewed journal, it means nothing.
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The experiments were repeated several times, read the paper. And the referees confirmed and verified the findings.
The Architects for 9/11 Truth have also confirmed the findings, as well as the Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice. You are mixed up. The peer reviewed study merely confimed what most 9/11 experts already had proven, that explosives took down the WTC. |
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Since this vanity rag is not read by legitimate scientists, it won't happen. Nobody would want to waste the $600 to post a rebuttal for an unknown paper that the scentific community will never see. However, scientists like Dr. Greening have torn the paper apart and have attempted to contact Jones et al. Like the other times, Jones will not release all data pertaining to his experiments.
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This is the same fraud the creationists pull.
Trying to do and end run around real science while dishonestly proclaiming themselves legitimate. They think most people are as easily fooled by such tactics as they themselves are. |
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1. INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIED AND REPEATED!!!
2. Please provide your proof that the "referees" independently repeated and verified the tests that Jones performed on the chips. I certainly am not going to take your or Jones word for it. 3.The rest of your comment is pure crap. TAM |
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Another thing that we know - from the NIST report and the experiment in Appendix D (where we get the nice photo from) we know that the steels natural oxide layer will spall (fall off in laymens terms) at 650°C. Therefore if the layer of red paint which Jones claims is thermite ever heated up then a 650°C the oxide layer would spall removing the thermite from contact with the steel. The oxide layer is brittle - we see that in Jones' own SEM photographs Fig 4 and 5 and we know that rust is incoherent (crystally) with the parent material so any thermal shock such as quick heating and it's going to spall.
We should congratulate Jones because the only piece of science Jones has done is to clear up the source or a source of his microspheres: A source of micro-spheres in the WTC dust is burnt paint. which means that anyone stripping paint with a blow torch whether it be at home or cleaning the Brooklyn Bridge or whatever, if they are stripping red paint they will be producing iron rich microspheres. Thank you, you've been a lovely audience, good night and god bless (or be touched by his noodley appendage) Good night Bow. |
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Do I even need to comment on the hilarity of this quote?
I'll let you guys continue your game of 'smack-a-troll', which is similar to 'whack-a-mole' but with a less intelligent victim.. Back to Jones/Robertson in 2006, referring to the pools of molten metal (more 'proof of thermite, you see): 'this metal is primarily iron, not aluminum, it also contains traces of unusual trace metals, in unusual quantities anyway, such as Barium and ....Manganese and Zinc...in large quantities. And so these are consistent with a chemical reaction on a large scale' Cut to 2009, what happened to all the Zinc which used to be proof of thermite? Now the official line is ABSENCE of Zinc is proof of thermite.... But it gets worse.. By carrying out the (highly improbable) almost complete application of this thermite material to structural steel, it would be found all over the place throughout both towers. No question there. How then, considering all the structural steel recovered after the collapses, was this material NOT observed by anyone? Remember, truthers, the INTACT steel that was found in large quantities was NOT melted away by thermite. It is not possible that some of the 'thermite paint' would not still be found on the steel. No way. This is 100% incompatible with the latest paper of Jones et al. It does not fit. So you must acquit. (nod to Johnny C) |
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The irony is they are a truther! But they have a sample that has three layers which are distinct. We have the top layer or red layer as Jones calls it. The we have the "gray layer" and then we have a fibrous crystalline material that can only be metal. So we now have an iron oxide sandwiched between paint and steel. No guesses as to where the oxide is from eh? It can only be from one source and thats the metal (which is steel because he has spectra and makes the same mistake of dismissing the Carbon - see page 16).
Jones never discusses the oxide layer in any detail, they literally ignore it. They don't even say - yes this is rust from the steel that the thermite was painted on and a bit has flaked off. They ignore this layer. Infact we don't even have any photos of the underside of the "gray layer". All the shots, SEM included are from the top or sides. Fishy eh? Anyway here is the French data kindly provided by moorea34 (cheers). http://darksideofgravity.com/marseille.pdf He does what Jones should do and link to where he takes the EDS from. Unfortunately on the corresponding EDS spectra the RHS of the slide is cut off so it's hard to see which "aspiro" correlates with which point. His data is similar to Jones which is not a problem, but his SEM skills are better and there is detail in the EDS spectra. |
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Wow - all this data and information I'm providing and only one or two truthers have enquired about it.
Come on Bill Smith, Galileo what are you waiting for? Slap me down and show how I'm wrong. At least comment or do you have me on ignore so you don't have to look at the mounting evidence that show that Jones' paper isn't what it claims? |
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Will people just put Galileo on ignore he has nothing of any value to say whatsoever, or does he? Care to comment where I've pulled Jones' claims apart? Thought not.
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Still waiting for the destruction of steel demonstration. Will the demonstration of supernanothermite be occurring at the next Truth Fail event? The sign looks a little rusty.. like it could use a little **ahem** paint
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You can't put Galileo on ignore. He's the one that started this thread, and it disappears when you put him on ignore. A rather useful tactic to make sure that you can continue to troll the thread.
What we need is for people to just ignore him. If no one takes the bait, the disruptions become one-sided, and the moderators will step in and clean up the thread. |
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He's also a constant reminder of what "kind" of people are pushing for these theories.
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Well, I'm hoping that detailed pictures will show more than just layers. E.g., what about the eveness of layers? Come to think of it, please make paint chips via both brushing and spray painting. I find it hard to believe that brushed on paint will have even layers, and easy to believe that spray painted surfaces will
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Or lacking that, Have Jonesie give us the names of the labs along with contact info and sample info/number so we can get copies of those reports.
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