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6th April 2017, 11:53 AM | #441 |
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6th April 2017, 09:46 PM | #442 |
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I guess the Trump - Putin honeymoon period is over with US missile strike on the Syrian airfield that the US clsims launched the sarin attack.
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I guess whatever leverage Putin & Pals may have thought they had over Trump wasn't enough. One advantage of a president who can generate scandals more powerful than any blackmail with just one tweet.
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I hear David Duke is available.
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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Close but still informal relationships like these are ripe for being compromised by spies. Moreover it should be a prime target for investigation for evidence of collusion between Trumps presidential campaign and Russia. |
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Yes now that more details have come in - it does look a bit like that... except for the law of unintended consequences. I don't imagine that Trump is going to personally be impressed by a joint statement by Russia, Iran and Assad saying that a red line has been crossed by the US and that they'd retaliate if it was crossed again...
I would think that Russia would not want to draw attention to the fact that it's allied with Iran in this situation. Mind you, I have been asking my colleagues how long before the contradictions in Trump's foreign |
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An Onion article from April 7th titled: "Trump Confident U.S. Military Strike on Syria Wiped Out Russian Scandal"
http://www.theonion.com/article/trum...iped-out-55722 Today in an interview with the Telegraph, Eric Trump said: "If there was anything that Syria did, it was to vindicate the fact there its no Russia tie." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...utin-says-son/ |
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IMHO Putin hoped both to destabilize the US AND put somebody in the White House he could easily mainipulate into a pro Russian policy. He suceeeded in the first but failed in the second, because Putin did not cover his tracks well enough.
And whether the destablisation of US politics will work as well for Russia as Putin has hoped remains to be seen. Putin might not have been as clever as he thought he was being. |
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The mere fact that there ever was a honeymoon should be sufficient to give you all something unpleasant to think about. Follow the reasoning:
If Trump is enough of a foghat to make Putin think his election would sow the seeds of chaos in the U.S. then that makes Putin a foghat as well, because he was crazy enough to help a foghat gain control of an arsenal which could glass Putin's entire world in minutes. Which would mean that the leaders of the two countries with the planet's largest nuclear arsenals are both foghats. Which would mean, in turn, that the tens of millions of people who blindly follow the two foghats are also foghats. And even if Putin is wrong and Trump is not a foghat, Putin still is a foghat, because he helped what he believes is a foghat gain control of the arsenal, much of which is aimed straight at him. Think about that for a while. Then, if you have survivalist tendencies, you can begin construction of your bunker in a motivated state of mind. |
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Putin wanted a President who would destabilize the US government. One should be careful of what one wishes for.
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Tillerson/Russian counterpart press conference: Pretty interesting.
Both gave Russia an out throwing Assad under the bus for the chemical bombs. Russian counterpart notes that the US wasn't going after Al Nusra, that's why Russia is bombing Assad enemies the US considered allies. Both agree fighting ISIL is a higher priority than Assad. Russia denies the email hacks, Tillerson says the US has enough evidence. |
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