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22nd March 2017, 01:48 PM | #161 |
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Rep Schiff is going to have his own press conference at 5PM to respond to Nunes' insanity. Hopefully he calls for an independent commission after Nunes' antics.
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22nd March 2017, 01:58 PM | #162 |
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Trump ex-aide Paul Manafort 'offered to help Putin'
BBC coverage http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39350007 |
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22nd March 2017, 03:20 PM | #166 |
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22nd March 2017, 04:19 PM | #168 |
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My thoughts exactly. Putin can contrast "the US in disarray" with a stable Russia under his managed democracy, and portray Trump as the US's Yeltsin.
Trump's problem is, for this to work best, Russia's involvement with the election and with Trump has to be pretty manifest to investigators. They'll deny but they've little reason to conceal. |
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22nd March 2017, 05:27 PM | #169 |
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22nd March 2017, 05:48 PM | #170 |
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Don't know if this was posted, it's 5 days old but I heard it discussed on the news today on Manafort:
Russian elite invested nearly $100 million in Trump buildings
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On another front, once again, if there is nothing here, why did Spicer lie about how involved Manafort was during the campaign? Do these guys forget all those sound bites are out there? |
22nd March 2017, 06:17 PM | #171 |
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To survive election season on a skeptics forum, one must understand Hymie-the-Robot.
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23rd March 2017, 03:49 AM | #173 |
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Remember back in the early days of the Obama presidency when people like Glenn Beck constantly made allusions to Czars and Oligarchs, trying desperately to paint Obama as Stalin or something communist or Russian?
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23rd March 2017, 03:59 AM | #174 |
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Enough proof to give them a very clear choice: impeach Trump or else suffer a catastrophic defeat in the midterm elections.
It could be he will be forced off the presidency before that. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7639341.html McHrozni |
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23rd March 2017, 04:00 AM | #175 |
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FBI’s Russian-influence probe includes a look at Breitbart, InfoWars news sites
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That flags a desperately poor situation; namely, that so few citizens are even in touch with what those words, or democracy, actually mean. The only reason the right continues to use democratic language is that it needs the buzzwords that still carry positive connotation and can be misused to fire up the tribal loyalty response. The policies themselves have no honor and are disloyal. Lynch mobbing feels good, and that is quite enough for today's GOP to be in power. Sad.
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23rd March 2017, 08:19 AM | #177 |
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And do you want to explain why democrats focus not on this, but on a fantasy they concocted about Russia directly influencing the US elections? The media issuing click bait headlines that were refuted by intel? Im not saying all of your concerns of the matter are invalid. But for all of the ridicule over things like Trump accusing the Obama administration spying on Trump Tower, they seem to have some kind of information ehich had to come from somewhere. I'm disgusted with Trump as it is... the media is absolute bullcrap though undeserving of trust and justifying trumps' rhetoric concerning fake news.
The current state of politics in this country along with the press is utterly shameful |
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23rd March 2017, 08:34 AM | #180 |
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Yes, and it's quite a useless bit of nitpicking to claim that their actual, known attempt at affecting the US elections didn't have any effect whatsoever. Of course it did. That's influence. And even if it didn't, they still tried, which counts as an attack, one in which the question is now: did Trump and his people assist them?
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23rd March 2017, 08:35 AM | #181 |
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“We did not include any evidence in our report, and I say, ‘our,’ that’s NSA, FBI and CIA, with my office, the Director of National Intelligence, that had anything, that had any reflection of collusion between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians,” Clapper said. “There was no evidence of that included in our report.”..... “at the time, we had no evidence of such collusion.”
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23rd March 2017, 08:47 AM | #183 |
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It is directly related. The accusation is that the Russian government influenced the election results and that the Trump campaign was in collusion. Its fantasy because the democrat party has yet to provide solid evidence of this occuring... yet they push it as a matter of historical record despite having this pointed out.
I do not assume the russians didnt try or had aspirations. But youre dealing with accusations that the election resylts WERE impacted. There remains no such evidence at this point. and they are only hurting their own cause by pushing the issue in spite of that |
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Those are two separate claims. When asked why the first was fantasy you switched to the second.
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Er, your original claim was that Russia directly influencing the US elections was a fantasy:
Your latest quote says the heads of intel didn't include any evidence of Trump's campaign colluding with the Russians. That is different than, and does not support, your first claim. eta: D'oh! Ninja'd! Shoulda hit preview |
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It's like Putin's goal was to get a wall built to keep American influence away from his borders, and have America pay for and build that wall itself.
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23rd March 2017, 11:26 AM | #188 |
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The sleaze bags known as the National Republican Congressional Committee are fund-raising based on Nunes supposed vindication of Trump's lie. link
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23rd March 2017, 12:58 PM | #189 |
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Yes. Because democrats have yet to provide concrete evidence that Russian interference influenced the outcome of the elections. Like I said. My claim stands until clickbait headlines and political posturing stops jumping the gun.
If the party doesnt want Trumps childish claims to merit weight. They need to start acting like adults themselves If the pending investigations reveal more. I will retract this to the extent that their findings justify |
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Provide a description of how that could be proven to your satisfaction.
Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million. Trump won Pennsylvania by 68,000 votes. Turnout was very low. Democrats were bitter after a testy primary, and then emails are released to make it seem like one of the candidates got the shaft. How many people stayed home or voted third party because of that release? Impossible to know for sure, but of course it influenced the election. Absent that hack, it's very possible Hillary would have won the electoral college. It would have taken less than a half million people to vote differently in certain states. Before I go digging up opinion polls, please let me know what you're looking for. I get the feeling that I'm about to go on a snipe hunt. |
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Here's an interesting piece about the credibility of the CrowdStrike partisan hacks that brought you the "DNC was hacked by Putin" dreck. It's on Voice of America which the evil Trump has transformed into another Putinbot outlet as you can read in the comments.
I SO look forward to the next bubble that blows up in the face of the obnoxious fake news peddlers who dare to still pollute this subforum with their nonsense after their hilarious pre-election musings spectacularly collided with reality. Friday? |
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The straws, they have been grasped.
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