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Old 8th June 2017, 01:04 PM   #2081
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
It tells you all you need to know, doesn't it? That logger thinks the will of the people is unimportant so long as your "side" has the power.
Yes, I couldn't care less of the will of leftists in a small amount of cities, our process is fine, if want to continue to whine it's fine by me, I'll continue to gloat!
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Old 8th June 2017, 01:06 PM   #2082
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Simply amazing that logger would even think such a thing.
Amazing that we'Ve followed the election rules and process? What's amazing is you don't respect it, the agony of defeat, lol!
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Old 8th June 2017, 02:49 PM   #2083
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Popular vote means a lot now, which means that Trump does not have the support of the majority of the American people, which continue to show in his low approval ratings. Now, we are seeing cracks in Trump's support base and he has not even been in office 1/2 year yet.
Happy to see this but still deeply disturbed to see that so many folks still think he's doing a good job. I'd expect even people who love the man's politics to be disappointed at his lack of effectiveness. Border wall's not going to build itself.
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Old 8th June 2017, 03:41 PM   #2084
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Yes, I couldn't care less of the will of leftists in a small amount of cities
You mean the leftists who actually outnumber you?

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What you're doing is not gloating, it's denial.
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Old 8th June 2017, 04:02 PM   #2085
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
You mean the leftists who actually outnumber you?



What you're doing is not gloating, it's denial.

How else is he going to have anything to gloat about?
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Old 8th June 2017, 04:26 PM   #2086
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Bill Moyers put a detailed timeline of Pence's involvement out.

A Timeline: Pence’s Role in the White House’s Russia-Related Mess
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The Trump White House has produced what appear to be at least three cover-ups. They relate to:

1) former-national security adviser Mike Flynn’s questionable activities relating to Turkey;

2) Flynn’s role in the Trump/Russia controversy; and

3) the firing of former FBI Director James Comey.
It's detailed from well before Pence until after. The meat is down the page.These are only selected samples:
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Cover-up #1: Pence, Flynn and Turkey...

Also on Jan. 15, 2017: Appearing on CBS’ Face the Nation, Vice President Pence says Flynn’s call to the Russian ambassador on the same day President Obama announced new sanctions was “strictly coincidental,” explaining: “They did not discuss anything having to do with the United States’ decision to expel diplomats or impose censure on Russia….
But we found out later that Pence did know before that newscast according to Yates.

Same here:
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Cover-up #2: Pence, Flynn and Russia

March 9, 2017: Responding to questions about Mike Flynn’s lobbying activities for Turkish interests during the campaign and thereafter, Vice President Mike Pence tells Fox News’ Bret Baier twice that he’d just learned of it
Not true.

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Cover-up #3: The Comey Firing

Also on May 8, 2017: Trump follows Kushner’s advice and, according to ABC News, Kushner, White House counsel Don McGahn, Vice President Pence and chief of staff Reince Priebus begin to prepare talking points about Comey’s planned firing. ...

May 10, 2017: Pence says repeatedly that Comey’s firing occurred because Sessions and Rosenstein recommended it
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Old 8th June 2017, 08:29 PM   #2087
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Amazing that we'Ve followed the election rules and process?

Under the EC? Trump won only because of the flawed EC and remember, both Clinton and Trump have attacked the EC in the past as well. Case in point:

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Donald Trump branded Electoral College system 'disaster for democracy' after 2012 election

The voting system has been criticised as outdated and undemocratic

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7408836.html

As you can see, Trump slammed the EC as flawed.

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What's amazing is you don't respect it, the agony of defeat, lol!

On the contrary, I am enjoying the licking that Trump is now receiving and no doubt, there will be more to come because I expect as multiple investigations continue, more derogatory information will be revealed. Since Trump took office, how many people have been fired or reassigned under the Trump administration? Now we hear that Sessions and Trump have undergone screaming matches against one another.

Since Trump has taken office, the Russian connection has been made and let's remember how the Russians humiliated Trump with those WH photos..

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Old 8th June 2017, 08:46 PM   #2088
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Happy to see this but still deeply disturbed to see that so many folks still think he's doing a good job. I'd expect even people who love the man's politics to be disappointed at his lack of effectiveness. Border wall's not going to build itself.

We can take a look at Trump's wall and what some of his supporters are saying.

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Life Comes at You Fast: Trump Voters Mad That Border Wall Would Put Their Homes on Mexican Side

http://www.theroot.com/life-comes-at...-wa-1793990215

Now, let's take a look here.

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Russia: Trump & His Team’s Ties

Despite Russia’s harmful national interests against the U.S., and its human rights violations around the world, President Trump and his team are directly and indirectly tied to Russia.

https://swalwell.house.gov/issues/ru...tration-s-ties
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Old 8th June 2017, 08:47 PM   #2089
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It's revealing how a rabid supporter of Trump would consider the popular vote as being irrelevant. Like how California and New York are not representative of the larger populace. To see how ridiculous this is, imagine a *very* scaled down country where the voting population comprises 6 people living in a hamlet and 5 others living alone, dispersed throughout the land.

In the view of such a Trumpist, the 5 widely scattered loners are more representative of the nation than the 6 huddled together. Supposedly, I gather, because the more disparate individuals will have a more varied outlook, while the crowd will likely be more of one mind.

But then, it could be argued that the more congruent views of a close community would really be more 'representative' than would the less aligned views of an incohate 'diaspora.'

But in the end, of course, the only fair scheme is one voice, one vote. All must be of equal weight in a democracy.
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Old 8th June 2017, 08:55 PM   #2090
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
Lol
Majority of people in New York City, the major California city and Illinois. Hardly representative of the country.

Let's take another look.


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Over 1,400 U.S. Cities, States and Businesses Vow to Meet Paris Climate Commitments

As soon as Trump announced he was abandoning the Paris climate agreement, mayors and governors started stepping up. Trump may be out, but America isn't, they say.

On Monday, more than 1,000 companies and institutions, including more than a dozen Fortune 500 businesses, signed onto a statement—"We Are Still In"—saying they're committed to meeting the Paris targets. The statement calls Trump's decision "a grave mistake that endangers the American public and hurts America's economic security and diplomatic reputation." By Tuesday, the coalition's numbers had climbed past 1,400.

A dozen states that together represent the world's third-largest economy and more than 200 cities had also committed to the Paris accord through various coalitions.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/0...tes-businesses

And let's not forget how the Russians made Trump look like an idiot over a false report over Oatar whereas, Trump took credit for what occurred, and that over a false report. As a result, the Russians humiliated Trump on the world stage.

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Old 8th June 2017, 09:01 PM   #2091
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No, but what is worse is having people in power who are so careless with classified information so they can keep their lucrative side job going, like selling influence, exactly what the Clintons did.

Trump passed bypassed protocols and still passed classified information to the Russians from the White House. How low can he go?

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Well, tell your friends in the deep state to hurry and finish the investigation!

There are multiple investigations ongoing and they don't look good for Trump, especially after the beating he got this morning.
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Old 8th June 2017, 09:50 PM   #2092
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Here is something simple for you. Every republican I talked to, that was the most important issue, immigration second. So yeah, your point is officially run over.

But that's what happens when you paint with a broad brush, at least that's what they tell me.
That *you* personally talked to? That's sure to be a representative sample size, perfectly matching Trump voters across the nation!

And where do the economy, terrorism, jobs and health care come into play? Sure, immigration is high up the list when it comes to Republicans, but your sample size is tiny.
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Old 8th June 2017, 09:55 PM   #2093
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No, but what is worse is having people in power who are so careless with classified information so they can keep their lucrative side job going, like selling influence, exactly what the Clintons did.
Yeah! She should have just blurted it out just to show off, like the current person in power.

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Amazing that we'Ve followed the election rules and process? What's amazing is you don't respect it, the agony of defeat, lol!
What's not being respected about it? Are we calling Hillary President?
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So Oliver Stone's "Putin Interviews" film will be released in a couple of days. Looking forward to it. The pre$$titutes aren't.
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Old 9th June 2017, 02:09 PM   #2095
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Lol
Majority of people in New York City, the major California city and Illinois. Hardly representative of the country.
Why is that not representative of the country? Why is fewer people in a lower density area more representative?

I think this is just ignorance of how big those cities are. New York City cast 780,000 votes for Trump. That is more than Wyoming, Alaska, and the Dakotas, combined. It is more than the number of Trump voters in Mississippi. A poll of NYC Trump voters has just as much weight as a poll of Mississippi Trump voters.
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Old 9th June 2017, 10:07 PM   #2096
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What the Clintons had done is one thing, but what Russia had done is much more serious.
Nonsense. The Clintons are Democrats, whereas Russia helped us elect a Republican president. One thing is obviously much more serious than the other.

Nothing is more important than keeping stinking liberals out of power. So when it is finally revealed that the Russians did help Trump beat Hillary, we should thank them. They are the good guys!
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So Oliver Stone's "Putin Interviews" film will be released in a couple of days. Looking forward to it. The pre$$titutes aren't.
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As it was expected, the most officious, globalist media criticized Stone for his attempt to “humanize an authoritarian Russian leader”. Especially, The Daily Beast...
The Daily Beast is 'globalist media' ?

Perhaps Stone will interview some of these journalists who have experienced Putin's 'humanity'. Oh wait, he can't - they're dead.
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Old 9th June 2017, 11:19 PM   #2098
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Trump's lawyer has his own Russia connections:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...=.8555c0fef4a2
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Old 9th June 2017, 11:42 PM   #2099
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Trump's lawyer has his own Russia connections:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...=.8555c0fef4a2
That could explain how Trump found one that would still take his case. Putin supplied the guy?
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What is sad about this post is that it would probably work just fine.
But it won't because that would involve Trump "backing down" and admitting he was wrong about something plus of course he just can't let any perceived "slight" pass him by. He was sending photos of his hands to a journalist for over a decade because the journalist once said Trump had little hands!
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Old 10th June 2017, 10:46 AM   #2101
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I am not sure Trump is a dummy since he got elected as President

Trump is a dummy and a liar who saw a lot of suckers who took his bait and ran off with it. Now, many of those suckers are jumping off Trump's bandwagon because they now see the light.

The Russians are having a field day making Trump look stupid after interfering with our election process.
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Old 10th June 2017, 11:11 AM   #2102
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I am not sure Trump is a dummy since he got elected as President

You have a strange concept of intelligence.

Trump proves the old saying parents would occasionally tell their children: "Anybody can be President."

Sadly, he also proves something else: Not just anybody should be President.

ETA: It also occurs to me that the position you, Antonio, express here is almost certainly a double standard. I believe I can assume with confidence that you have, possibly quite often, questioned the competence and intelligence of numerous people in various positions. And I would agree that a person merely holding a certain position is not necessarily proof of their ability to competently and effectively execute the responsibilities of that position, and may say even less about that person's intelligence.

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All must be of equal weight in a democracy.
That's like saying that it isn't a monarchy if the title is not hereditary.
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Trump's lawyer has his own Russia connections:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...=.8555c0fef4a2
Because of course he does.
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The inner swamp would seem to be approaching toxic cesspool status. The denizens give the impression of a writhing mass of serpents, wallowing in their own excrement. Drain the swamp indeed--to make room for the massive influx of incestuously intertwined vipers whose aim is personal aggrandizement.
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But it won't because that would involve Trump "backing down" and admitting he was wrong about something plus of course he just can't let any perceived "slight" pass him by. He was sending photos of his hands to a journalist for over a decade because the journalist once said Trump had little hands!
And apparently, that's not his only undersized body part.
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Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd View Post
You have a strange concept of intelligence.

Trump proves the old saying parents would occasionally tell their children: "Anybody can be President."

Sadly, he also proves something else: Not just anybody should be President.
Your opinion

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ETA: It also occurs to me that the position you, Antonio, express here is almost certainly a double standard. I believe I can assume with confidence that you have, possibly quite often, questioned the competence and intelligence of numerous people in various positions. And I would agree that a person merely holding a certain position is not necessarily proof of their ability to competently and effectively execute the responsibilities of that position, and may say even less about that person's intelligence.
The position that Trump held was candidate for President and he has been eminently successful in this position
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Trump is a dummy and a liar who saw a lot of suckers who took his bait and ran off with it. Now, many of those suckers are jumping off Trump's bandwagon because they now see the light.
Even if true, and I believe it may be not, now it is too late to dump Trump.
And the idea that a person who has become President and has 4 billion dollars is a "dummy" is below ridiculous

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The Russians are having a field day making Trump look stupid after interfering with our election process.
After the US interfered with a zillion of election processes abroad they can hardly be complaining for this I think
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The position that Trump held was candidate for President and he has been eminently successful in this position

Trump has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is totally unfit to be president of the United States of America as the Russians continue to make Trump look like the moron that he is. It is time for Trump to step down.

Regarding Comey, Trump recently said that he would be willing to testify under oath, 100%, against Comey. I would welcome Trump's desire to do so because the sooner he does, the sooner that impeachment proceedings can commence against him simply because Trump has a history of lying under oath.

Trump is no match for Putin and Putin and has interfered with our election process and will continue to do so in the future, and yet, Trump sees no problem with Russian interference. Time to dump dumb Trump!
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You can tell that's actual fake news just from the photo of the woman, without even seeing where it came from.* Her boobs are too small for Trump.

*Seriously, WorldNewsDailyReport? Pretty much the ultimate in Fake News.
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From the disclaimer page of World News Daily Report.

“All characters appearing in the articles in this website – even those based on real people – are entirely fictional and any resemblance between them and any persons, living, dead, or undead is purely a miracle.”
Not a particularly trustworthy news source.
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After the US interfered with a zillion of election processes abroad they can hardly be complaining for this I think
What is your best example of the U.S. trying to swing an otherwise free and fair election?
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What is your best example of the U.S. trying to swing an otherwise free and fair election?
Seriously?

Should I list just the coups we engineered to get rid of legitimately elected leaders because they weren't conveniently cooperating with US corporations who were harvesting the country's natural resources?

Or do you not count anything more than a decade old?
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Old 11th June 2017, 02:35 PM   #2115
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Even if true, and I believe it may be not, now it is too late to dump Trump.
And the idea that a person who has become President and has 4 billion dollars is a "dummy" is below ridiculous
It would have been, 40 years ago. Unfortunately, we've got conservative media constantly attacking libruls, intellectuals, and even simple facts these days and that's been the case for a while, so it's sadly not ridiculous anymore. Personally, I'll choose not to weigh in about whether Trump's a dummy, given that I've considered him to be a conman for a long time. He's unfortunately good at being a conman and has heavily relied on demagoguery as much of that. Adding that to his nigh pathological lying and it's pretty close to impossible to tell how intelligent he actually is. He could be executing a well thought out long term plan of his to show off how intellectually and morally bankrupt the Republican party has become, for all we can honestly tell.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
You can tell that's actual fake news just from the photo of the woman, without even seeing where it came from.* Her boobs are too small for Trump.

*Seriously, WorldNewsDailyReport? Pretty much the ultimate in Fake News.
Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
From the disclaimer page of World News Daily Report.

“All characters appearing in the articles in this website – even those based on real people – are entirely fictional and any resemblance between them and any persons, living, dead, or undead is purely a miracle.”
Not a particularly trustworthy news source.
Of course, but it's still funny.
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Old 11th June 2017, 03:07 PM   #2117
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Originally Posted by Antonio Coceri View Post
Even if true, and I believe it may be not, now it is too late to dump Trump.
And the idea that a person who has become President and has 4 billion dollars is a "dummy" is below ridiculous
He was born into wealth and privillage and has a poor bussiness record. He has long displayed the boneheaded arrogance and dishonesty that makes him a rubbish president today.

Lost contracts, bankruptcies, defaults, deceptions and indifference to investors—Trump’s business career is a long, long list of such troubles, according to regulatory, corporate and court records, as well as sworn testimony and government investigative reports. Call it the art of the bad deal, one created by the arrogance and recklessness of a businessman whose main talent is self-promotion.
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/08/12/d...16-486091.html
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Old 11th June 2017, 04:00 PM   #2118
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
From the disclaimer page of World News Daily Report.

“All characters appearing in the articles in this website – even those based on real people – are entirely fictional and any resemblance between them and any persons, living, dead, or undead is purely a miracle.”
Not a particularly trustworthy news source.
I'd still lay even odds that if he read the story he would be compelled to comment on it. The Streisand Effect in fool bloom.
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
I'd still lay even odds that if he read the story he would be compelled to comment on it. The Streisand Effect in fool bloom.
Didn't that already happen in the Republican primary debates?
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Old 11th June 2017, 04:13 PM   #2120
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Originally Posted by Antonio Coceri View Post
The position that Trump held was candidate for President and he has been eminently successful in this position

The Peter Principle, then?
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