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Old 19th May 2019, 12:24 PM   #3601
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The following ECHR case-law is from Diallo v. Sweden 13205/07 (Decision) 05/01/2010:

23. The Court reiterates that paragraph 3 (e) of Article 6 states that every defendant has the right to the free assistance of an interpreter. That right applies not only to oral statements made at the trial hearing but also to documentary material and the pre-trial proceedings. This means that an accused who cannot understand or speak the language used in court has the right to the free assistance of an interpreter for the translation or interpretation of all those documents or statements in the proceedings instituted against him which it is necessary for him to understand or to have rendered into the court’s language in order to have the benefit of a fair trial (see, for example, Hermi v. Italy, 18114/02, §§ 69-70). The said provision does not go so far as to require a written translation of all items of written evidence or official documents in the procedure. In that connection, it should be noted that the text of the relevant provisions refers to an “interpreter”, not a “translator”. This suggests that oral linguistic assistance may satisfy the requirements of the Convention (see Husain v. Italy (dec.), no. 18913/03, 24 February 2005). The fact remains, however, that the interpretation assistance provided should be such as to enable the defendant to have knowledge of the case against him and to defend himself, notably by being able to put before the court his version of the events (see Güngör v. Germany (dec.), no. 31540/96, 17 May 2001). In view of the need for that right to be practical and effective, the obligation of the competent authorities is not limited to the appointment of an interpreter but, if they are put on notice in the particular circumstances, may also extend to a degree of subsequent control over the adequacy of the interpretation provided (see Kamasinskiv. Austria, no. 9783/82, § 74, 19 December 1989).

24. The Court notes that the investigation stage has crucial importance for the preparation of the criminal proceedings, as the evidence obtained during this stage determines the framework in which the offence charged will be considered. Moreover, in order to safeguard against ill-treatment and to avoid incriminating statements made during police interrogation without access to a lawyer being used for a conviction, as a rule, access to a lawyer should be provided as from the first interrogation of a suspect by the police, unless it is demonstrated in the light of the particular circumstances of each case that there are compelling reasons to restrict this right (see, inter alia, Salduz v. Turkey [GC], no. 36391/02, §§ 54-55, 27 November 2008).

25. In the same line of reasoning, the assistance of an interpreter should be provided during the investigating stage unless it is demonstrated in the light of the particular circumstances of each case that there are compelling reasons to restrict this right.

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Old 19th May 2019, 09:37 PM   #3602
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Here is another section addressing admissibility from the ECHR's judgment Knox v. Italy. The translation is by Google with my help:

ALLEGED VIOLATION OF ARTICLE 6 §§ 1 AND 3 (e) OF THE CONVENTION

173. The applicant also complains that she was not assisted by a professional and independent interpreter during her interrogations of 6 November 2007 and that the police officer who assisted her played a role of "mediator" by suggesting, for example, hypotheses relating to the unfolding of facts. She relies in this respect on Article 6 §§ 1 and 3 (e) of the Convention, which reads as follows:

“1. Everyone has the right to a fair ... hearing ... by a court ... that will ... decide on the merits of any criminal charge against him.

2. (...)

3. Everyone charged with a criminal offense has the following minimum rights: (...)

(...)

(e) to have the free assistance of an interpreter if he can not understand or speak the language used in court.”

A. Admissibility

174. The Government states firstly that the applicant did not raise her complaint during the arrest validation hearing (see paragraph 32 above), nor during the proceedings before the Review Tribunal, and in general, that the applicant had failed to submit this complaint to the national authorities throughout the procedure. The Government therefore considers that this part of the application should be rejected for non-exhaustion of domestic remedies within the meaning of Article 35 § 1 of the Convention.

175. The Court does not share the Government's position. It notes that the applicant denounced the conduct of the interpreter A.D. in the context of her spontaneous statements of 13 March 2009 and her hearing on 12 June 2009 before the Assize Court of Perugia (see paragraphs 45 and 50 above). It can not overlook the fact that, in the context of the hearing of 13 March 2009, A.D. confirmed in detail the information provided by the applicant on this subject (see paragraphs 40 and 41 above).

176. In addition, at the end of that hearing, the applicant's defense {lawyer} requested that the {court} documents be forwarded to the public prosecutor's office, considering that his client's statements contained elements raising questions of criminal responsibility, however without success (see paragraph 47 above).

177. In those circumstances, the Court considers that the objection of non-exhaustion of domestic remedies raised by the respondent Government must be rejected.

178. Noting that this complaint is not manifestly ill-founded within the meaning of Article 35 § 3 (a) of the Convention and that it does not face any other ground of inadmissibility, the Court declares it admissible.
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It is noteworthy that the Italian government claim misrepresents that Knox did not complain about the actions of the interpreter, Anna Donnino. In response, the ECHR points out that the domest court record includes her complaints and shows that her defense lawyer was not allowed to have her complaints officially forwarded to a prosecutor for legal action.

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Old 19th May 2019, 10:04 PM   #3603
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From the ECHR judgment Knox v. Italy, here is the section on the merits of the claim of a violation of Convention Articles 6.1 with 6.3c. The translation is be Google with my help.

B. On the merits

1. Arguments of the parties

179. The applicant reiterates that the interpreter A.D. was not independent since she was a member of the police station performing the functions of interpreter. Moreover, according to her, A.D. had behaved beyond her functions as an interpreter.

180. The Government challenges the applicant's argument. It states that the applicant was assisted by different interpreters at all stages of the proceedings. As to A.D.'s duties, it submits that, according to domestic law, investigators are free in the choice of appointment of interpreters.

181. The Government indicates that Article 146 of the Code of Criminal Procedure does not require the authorities to select the interpreter from an official register. According to it, it is sufficient in this respect that the person concerned is a "language expert" and that he performs his duties for the sole purpose of making the truth known.

2. The Court's assessment

182. The Court reiterates that paragraph 3 (e) of Article 6 of the Convention means that the accused who does not understand or speak the language used in the courtroom is entitled to the free services of an interpreter for the purpose of translating or interpreting for him any act of the proceedings against him for which he needs, in order to benefit from a fair trial, to grasp the meaning or have it {his meaning} rendered in the language of the court. Interpretive assistance must enable the accused to know what he is accused of and to defend himself, in particular by delivering his version of events to the court. The right thus guaranteed must be concrete and effective. The obligation of the competent authorities is therefore not limited to appointing an interpreter: it is also incumbent upon them, once alerted in a given case, to exercise some subsequent control of the value of the interpretation provided (Hermi v. Italy [GC], No. 18114/02, § 80, ECHR 2006-XII, Kamasinski v. Austria, 19 December 1989, § 74, Series A No. 168, Güngör v. Germany (dec.), No. 31540/96, May 17 2001, Cuscani v. The United Kingdom, No. 32771/96, § 39, 24 September 2002, Protopapa v. Turkey, No. 16084/90, § 80, 24 February 2009 and Vizgirda v. Slovenia, No. 59868/08, §§ 75-79, August 28, 2018).

183. In addition, like the assistance of a lawyer, that of an interpreter must be guaranteed at the stage of the {pre-trial} investigation, unless it can be shown that there are compelling reasons to restrict this right (see, to that effect, Diallo v. Sweden (dec.), No. 13205/07, § 25, January 5, 2010, Baytar v. Turkey, No. 45440/04, §§ 50 and following, October 14, 2014, and Şaman v. Turkey, No. 35292/05, § 30, April 5, 2011).

184. The Court also states that it is not necessary to lay down, in the field of Article 6 § 3 (e) of the Convention, detailed conditions as to the manner in which the services of an interpreter may be provided to assist the accused. An interpreter is not an agent of the court within the meaning of Article 6 § 1 of the Convention and is not subject to any formal requirement of independence or impartiality as such. His services must provide the accused with effective assistance in the conduct of his defense and his conduct must not be likely to affect the fairness of the trial (Uçak v. United Kingdom (dec.), No. 44234/98, January 24, 2002).

185. In the present case, it is clear from the file that A.D.'s own confession of the latter's role while the applicant, accused in criminal proceedings within the meaning of Article 6 § 1 of the Convention, formulated her version of the facts, went beyond the functions of interpreter that she had to ensure. The Court notes that A.D. had indeed intended to forge a human and emotional relationship with the applicant, assuming the role of mediator and acquiring a maternal attitude which was in no way required in this case (see paragraphs 40 and 41 above).

186. The Court notes that, despite the fact that the applicant raised these complaints before the national authorities, she did not, however, benefit from a procedure capable of shedding light on her allegations (see, mutatis mutandis, Mantovanelli v. France, 18 March 1997, Reports 1997-II). The authorities failed to assess A.D.'s conduct, to assess whether her duties as an interpreter had been exercised in accordance with the guarantees provided for in Article 6 §§ 1 and 3 (e), and to consider whether this conduct had an impact on the outcome of the criminal proceedings against the applicant. The Court further notes that no mention of the exchanges which took place between the applicant and A.D. during the interrogation of 6 November 2007 is made in the minutes relating thereto.

187. In the view of the Court, this initial defect thus had repercussions on other rights which, while distinct from the one alleged to be infringed, are closely related to it, and compromised the fairness of the proceedings as a whole (Baytar, cited above, § 55, 14 October 2014).

188. In the light of the foregoing, Article 6 §§ 1 and 3 (e) of the Convention have been violated in this case.
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In this section, the ECHR judgment does not detail the suggestive recollections of her personal experience of temporary traumatic amnesia that Anna Donnino recounted, according to Knox's statements and testimony and Donnino's testimony. However, this incident is mentioned in paragraphs 40 and 45 of the ECHR judgment.

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Old Yesterday, 07:20 AM   #3604
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I agree the tactic was to get Lumumba's testimony and statement in front of the jury.
I also suspect Lumumba's tune changing so drastically from claiming the police "hit, kicked, punched and threatened" him to his being "treated well" had two motivations:

1. He could sue both police (wrongful arrest and jailing) AND Knox (calunnia) by claiming he was 'treated well' by the police. He couldn't very well sue Knox for calunnia if he supported her account of being coerced, slapped, and threatened.

2. He was in danger of being sued himself for calunnia by the police if he continued to claim he was abused during is interrogation just like Knox.
Add in his bar being kept closed for more than a month after he was cleared of having any involvement in the crime. Perhaps a little added incentive to stick to the police' version of events.
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Old Yesterday, 09:22 AM   #3605
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From the ECHR judgment Knox v. Italy, here is the section on the merits of the claim of a violation of Convention Articles 6.1 with 6.3e. The translation is by Google with my help.

B. On the merits

1. Arguments of the parties

179. The applicant reiterates that the interpreter A.D. was not independent since she was a member of the police station performing the functions of interpreter. Moreover, according to her, A.D. had behaved beyond her functions as an interpreter.

180. The Government challenges the applicant's argument. It states that the applicant was assisted by different interpreters at all stages of the proceedings. As to A.D.'s duties, it submits that, according to domestic law, investigators are free in the choice of appointment of interpreters.

181. The Government indicates that Article 146 of the Code of Criminal Procedure does not require the authorities to select the interpreter from an official register. According to it, it is sufficient in this respect that the person concerned is a "language expert" and that he performs his duties for the sole purpose of making the truth known.

2. The Court's assessment

182. The Court reiterates that paragraph 3 (e) of Article 6 of the Convention means that the accused who does not understand or speak the language used in the courtroom is entitled to the free services of an interpreter for the purpose of translating or interpreting for him any act of the proceedings against him for which he needs, in order to benefit from a fair trial, to grasp the meaning or have it {his meaning} rendered in the language of the court. Interpretive assistance must enable the accused to know what he is accused of and to defend himself, in particular by delivering his version of events to the court. The right thus guaranteed must be concrete and effective. The obligation of the competent authorities is therefore not limited to appointing an interpreter: it is also incumbent upon them, once alerted in a given case, to exercise some subsequent control of the value of the interpretation provided (Hermi v. Italy [GC], No. 18114/02, § 80, ECHR 2006-XII, Kamasinski v. Austria, 19 December 1989, § 74, Series A No. 168, Güngör v. Germany (dec.), No. 31540/96, May 17 2001, Cuscani v. The United Kingdom, No. 32771/96, § 39, 24 September 2002, Protopapa v. Turkey, No. 16084/90, § 80, 24 February 2009 and Vizgirda v. Slovenia, No. 59868/08, §§ 75-79, August 28, 2018).

183. In addition, like the assistance of a lawyer, that of an interpreter must be guaranteed at the stage of the {pre-trial} investigation, unless it can be shown that there are compelling reasons to restrict this right (see, to that effect, Diallo v. Sweden (dec.), No. 13205/07, § 25, January 5, 2010, Baytar v. Turkey, No. 45440/04, §§ 50 and following, October 14, 2014, and Şaman v. Turkey, No. 35292/05, § 30, April 5, 2011).

184. The Court also states that it is not necessary to lay down, in the field of Article 6 § 3 (e) of the Convention, detailed conditions as to the manner in which the services of an interpreter may be provided to assist the accused. An interpreter is not an agent of the court within the meaning of Article 6 § 1 of the Convention and is not subject to any formal requirement of independence or impartiality as such. His services must provide the accused with effective assistance in the conduct of his defense and his conduct must not be likely to affect the fairness of the trial (Uçak v. United Kingdom (dec.), No. 44234/98, January 24, 2002).

185. In the present case, it is clear from the file that A.D.'s own confession of the latter's role while the applicant, accused in criminal proceedings within the meaning of Article 6 § 1 of the Convention, formulated her version of the facts, went beyond the functions of interpreter that she had to ensure. The Court notes that A.D. had indeed intended to forge a human and emotional relationship with the applicant, assuming the role of mediator and acquiring a maternal attitude which was in no way required in this case (see paragraphs 40 and 41 above).

186. The Court notes that, despite the fact that the applicant raised these complaints before the national authorities, she did not, however, benefit from a procedure capable of shedding light on her allegations (see, mutatis mutandis, Mantovanelli v. France, 18 March 1997, Reports 1997-II). The authorities failed to assess A.D.'s conduct, to assess whether her duties as an interpreter had been exercised in accordance with the guarantees provided for in Article 6 §§ 1 and 3 (e), and to consider whether this conduct had an impact on the outcome of the criminal proceedings against the applicant. The Court further notes that no mention of the exchanges which took place between the applicant and A.D. during the interrogation of 6 November 2007 is made in the minutes relating thereto.

187. In the view of the Court, this initial defect thus had repercussions on other rights which, while distinct from the one alleged to be infringed, are closely related to it, and compromised the fairness of the proceedings as a whole (Baytar, cited above, § 55, 14 October 2014).

188. In the light of the foregoing, Article 6 §§ 1 and 3 (e) of the Convention have been violated in this case.
_____

In this section, the ECHR judgment does not detail the suggestive recollections of her personal experience of temporary traumatic amnesia that Anna Donnino recounted, according to Knox's statements and testimony and Donnino's testimony. However, this incident is mentioned in paragraphs 40 and 45 of the ECHR judgment.
I corrected a typo: the section relates to Articles 6.1 with 6.3e, not 6.3c, as I had written in the lead sentence of my post. There was a second, minor typo also corrected in that lead: "by" replacing "be".

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From the ECHR case Knox v. Italy, the section on admissibility of the alleged violation of Convention Articles 6.1 with 6.3c. The translation is by Google with my help.

"ALLEGED VIOLATION OF ARTICLE 6 §§ 1 AND 3 (c) OF THE CONVENTION

141. The applicant alleges that she was not assisted by a lawyer during the interrogations of 6 November 2007. She complains of the unfairness of the proceedings and relies in this respect on Article 6 §§ 1 and 3 (c) of the Convention, as worded in its parts relevant to this case:

“1. Everyone has the right to a fair ... hearing ... by a court ... that will ... decide on the merits of any criminal charge against him.

2. (...)

3. Everyone charged with a criminal offense has the following minimum rights: (...)

(c) to defend himself in person or through legal assistance of his own choosing or, if he has not sufficient means to pay for legal assistance, to be given it free when the interests of justice so require.”

142. The Government observes that the statements made by the applicant on 6 November 2007 in the absence of a lawyer were declared unusable in relation to the offenses under investigation, namely the murder of M.K. and the sexual violence perpetrated against her. However, it states that, according to the established case law of the Court of Cassation (judgments Nos. 10089 of 2005, 26460 of 2010 and 33583 of 2015), spontaneous statements made by a person under investigation in the absence of a defense lawyer can, in any case, be used when they constitute, as in this case, an offense in themselves. It added that the applicant had the assistance of a lawyer when the first evidence of her responsibility for the murder of M.K. appeared.

143. In addition, the Government alleged that the applicant had been sentenced for malicious false accusation not only on the basis of the statements made on 6 November 2007, but also on the basis of "a multitude of other circumstances", recalled in the judgment of conviction of the Assize Court of 5 December 2009 (see paragraph 80 above).

144. The applicant submits that she was not informed of her right to benefit from legal assistance during her hearings on 6 November 2007, since a defense lawyer {public defender} was not appointed until 8:30 am that day {after both of her disputed interrogation statements were taken}, and denounces the impact of the use of this evidence on the fairness of the proceedings.

A. Admissibility

145. Noting that this complaint is not manifestly ill-founded within the meaning of Article 35 § 3 (a) of the Convention and that it does not face any other ground of inadmissibility, the Court declares it admissible."
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From Knox v. Italy, the section on the merits of the alleged violation of Convention Articles 6.1 with 6.3c. The translation is by Google with my help.

"B. On the merits

1. The general principles

146. The general principles concerning the applicability of Article 6 of the Convention in criminal law, the right to counsel and the overall fairness of criminal proceedings, the temporary restriction of access to a lawyer for compelling reasons and the impact of the procedural deficiencies that occurred during the investigation into the overall fairness of the criminal trial are established, in whole or in part, in Simeonovi v. Bulgaria ([GC], No. 21980/04, §§ 110-120, May 12, 2017), Ibrahim and Others v. the United Kingdom ([GC], Nos. 50541/08 and 3 others, §§ 249-274, September 13, 2016), Salduz v. Turkey ([GC], No. 36391/02, §§ 50-55, ECHR 2008) and Beuze v. Belgium ([GC], No. 71409/10, §§ 119-150, November 9, 2018).

2. Application of the general principles to the facts of this case

(a) The applicability of Article 6 of the Convention

147. The Court notes at the outset that the first question in this case is whether Article 6 § 1 of the Convention was applicable to the facts of the case. It recalls in that regard that, on 6 November 2007, the applicant was heard twice: at 1:45 am and 5:45 am.

148. It notes that the two statements were originally collected as part of the police's acquisition of summary information, during which time the applicant had not been formally investigated.

149. With regard to the statements taken at 1:45 am, the Court reiterates that the guarantees offered by Article 6 §§ 1 and 3 of the Convention apply to any "accused" in the autonomous sense of the term under the Convention. There is a "criminal charge" where a person is formally charged by the competent authorities or where the actions of the authorities because of suspicions against the person have a significant impact on his situation (Simeonovi, cited above, §§ 110-111).

150. Applying this principle to the present case, the Court therefore wonders whether, at the time of the hearings, the domestic authorities had reasonable grounds to suspect that the applicant was involved in the murder of M.K.

151. It observes in that regard that the applicant had already been heard by the police on 2, 3 and 4 November 2007 and that her cell phone had been tapped. It notes that the facts of the case also show that, on the evening of 5 November 2007, the attention of the investigators focused on the applicant (see paragraphs 12-14 above). It notes that while she went to the police station spontaneously, she was asked questions in the corridor by police officers who then continued to interrogate her in a room where she had been previously subjected twice, for hours, to close interrogations.

152. In the Court's view, even assuming that these elements are not sufficient to conclude that, at 1:45 am on 6 November 2007, the applicant could be considered to be a suspect within the meaning of its case-law, it is necessary to note that, as the Government acknowledged, when she made her 5:45 am statements to the public prosecutor, the applicant had formally acquired the status of a person under investigation. The Court therefore considers that there is no doubt that, at 5:45 am at the latest, the applicant was the subject of a criminal charge within the meaning of the Convention (Ibrahim and Others, cited above, § 296). .

(b) Whether there were overriding reasons for the restriction of the right of access to a lawyer

153. The Court notes that, if the domestic courts have concluded that the disputed statements could not be used against the applicant for the crimes of murder and sexual violence, as the Government has indicated, in accordance with domestic case-law (paragraph 142 above), these same statements could have been used, in the absence of a counsel, insofar as they included in themselves a criminal offense.

154. It goes on to point out that restrictions on access to a lawyer for compelling reasons are permitted during the pre-trial phase only in exceptional cases, and that they must be temporary in nature and based on an individual assessment of the particular circumstances of the case (Beuze, cited above, § 142).

155. In the present case, however, the Government refers to a jurisprudential interpretation permitting the use of spontaneous statements made by a person under investigation in the absence of a defense counsel when they constitute an offense in themselves.

156. Even if it seeks to read that argument as a "compelling reason" within the meaning of its case-law, the Court notes, however, that the jurisprudential interpretation invoked is general in nature. Nor has the Government established the existence of exceptional circumstances which could have justified the restrictions on the applicant's right. It is not for the Court to seek {such circumstances} on its own (Simeonovi, cited above, § 130).

157. The Court thus finds no compelling reasons to justify the above-mentioned restrictions in this case.

(c) Fairness of the proceedings as a whole

158. In such circumstances, the Court must assess the fairness of the proceedings by exercising a very strict test. The burden of proof thus falls on the Government, which has to demonstrate convincingly that the applicant has nonetheless benefited globally from a fair criminal trial. The Government's inability to establish compelling reasons weighs heavily in the balance and may tilt the Court in the direction of a violation of Article 6 §§ 1 and 3 (c) (Beuze, cited above, § 165).

159. In that exercise, the Court will examine, in so far as they are relevant to the present case, the various factors arising from its case-law (Ibrahim and Others, cited above, § 274, and Simeonovi, cited above, § 120).

160. The Court first emphasizes the applicant's state of vulnerability, a young foreign girl aged 20 at the material time who was recently in Italy and did not speak Italian fluently ( Kaçiu and Kotorri, cited above, §§ 119-121 and Salduz, cited above, § 54).

161. The Court observes that, only a few hours after the impugned {interrogation} hearings, the applicant had promptly retracted her statements, in particular by means of a text drafted at her initiative on 6 November 2007 at around 1 pm and handed over to the police (paragraph 20 point 3 in fine and point 4 letter e above), another text drafted on 9 November 2007 for the attention of her lawyers (paragraph 24 point 14 above), and the telephone call to her mother on November 10, 2007 during which the line was tapped. The Court notes that, however, six months later, on 14 May 2008, the applicant was charged with malicious false accusation.

162. It should also be pointed out that, as is clear from the judgment of the Florence Court of 14 January 2016, the applicant's statements of 6 November 2007 were taken in a context of strong psychological pressure (see paragraph 103 below).

163. As to the use of the evidence, the Court observes that the statements at issue constituted in themselves the offense which was alleged against the applicant and, therefore, the material evidence for her verdict of guilt for malicious false accusation (see, on the contrary, Gäfgen, cited above, § 178, mutatis mutandis, Kaçiu and Kotorri, cited above, § 118, and mutatis mutandis, Sergey Ivanov v. Russia, No. 14416/06, §§ 90-92, May 15, 2018).

164. The Court further notes that the circumstances in which the offending statements were obtained were not clarified in an investigation (see paragraph 138).

165. Lastly, it notes that it does not appear from the file, in particular the record of the applicant's interrogation at 5:45 am, that she was notified of her procedural rights (Ibrahim et al. above, § 273).

d) Conclusion

166. The Court therefore finds that the Government has failed to demonstrate that the restriction of the applicant's access to legal aid at the hearing on 6 November 2007 has not irretrievably prejudiced the fairness of the trial as a whole.

167. In the light of the foregoing, Articles 6 §§ 1 and 3 (c) of the Convention have been violated in this case."
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Based upon the apparent quality of the facts and reasoning presented in the ECHR Chamber judgment that led the Chamber to conclude that Italy violated Amanda Knox's Convention rights under Convention Articles 6.1 with 6.3c and also Articles 6.1 with 6.3e, resulting in irretrievable prejudice to the fairness of her trial, I find it difficult to believe that a Grand Chamber judgment would differ from that of the Chamber.

While I believe it is unlikely that the Grand Panel Chamber will accept Italy's request for referral, I suspect that it might in order to have the Grand Chamber review, for instance, the case-law relating to Article 6.3e. This is probably the first case where the interpreter actually prejudiced the case by making suggestive comments to a person under interrogation. In the earlier ECHR cases under Article 6.3e that I have read, no interpreter was provided.
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Add in his bar being kept closed for more than a month after he was cleared of having any involvement in the crime. Perhaps a little added incentive to stick to the police' version of events.
What a dramatic turn his description of Amanda took from his initial DM interview where she was a horrible, untrustworthy person whom he'd had to fire for her outrageous and "wild mood swings, crass sexual innuendo and
complete unwillingness to do any work" and his sworn testimony! In court he testified that both their professional and personal relationship were 'good'. No matter which you choose to believe, one way or the other, he is a proven liar.
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
What a dramatic turn his description of Amanda took from his initial DM interview where she was a horrible, untrustworthy person whom he'd had to fire for her outrageous and "wild mood swings, crass sexual innuendo and
complete unwillingness to do any work" and his sworn testimony! In court he testified that both their professional and personal relationship were 'good'. No matter which you choose to believe, one way or the other, he is a proven liar.
Is there evidence that the DM statements attributed to Lumumba were indeed made by him? Let's not forget that the DM has been found in some cases to have fabricated information in their articles. See, for example:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.88620c062411

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Is there evidence that the DM statements attributed to Lumumba were indeed made by him? Let's not forget that the DM has been found legally liable in some cases for fabricating information in their articles.
If he had been misquoted so horrendously, he could have sued the DM. He has not. He has also repeated the "actress" accusation:

Quote:
She's empty; dead inside. She's the ultimate actress, able to switch her emotions on and off in an instant.
(I Fired Foxy Knoxy)


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Speaking in a telephone interview with MailOnline from Poland, Mr Lumumba said: ‘I feel so angry. When I heard the verdict I was shocked for poor Meredith. I have always said that Amanda is a fantastic actress and that’s what she will always be for me.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ed-murder.html

I think he made the quoted statements in the "Fired" interview. I'd be more suspicious if Nick "I can't be bothered to fact check" Pisa had written it, but it was written by someone named Antonia Hoyle.
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