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Old 8th July 2020, 02:14 PM   #3681
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Sorry, my bad. “Extra” electrons not “left over”...

Cometary Dust

So, what are you able to tell us about the charged cometary nucleus traveling thru and immersed in a plasma flow?


For instance...

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The thickness of the considered plasma sheath has been shown to be no independent parameter because it scales as the warm population Debye length, which itself directly depends on the warm electron population density and temperature, so that the model is reduced to four degrees of freedom.
Plasma characterization at comet 67P between 2 and 4 AU from the Sun with the RPC-MIP instrument

What’s this sheath they speak of tusenfem and why would one not form around the comet nucleus itself?
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Old 8th July 2020, 02:23 PM   #3682
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
For instance...

Plasma characterization at comet 67P between 2 and 4 AU from the Sun with the RPC-MIP instrument

What’s this sheath they speak of tusenfem and why would one not form around the comet nucleus itself?
And, more to the point, what the hell has it got to do with the comet not being rock, and no discharges or EDM (lol) being detected?
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Old 8th July 2020, 02:29 PM   #3683
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
Yes, quasi-neutral. As everybody knows. Tell us why it wouldn't be. You want more of one charge leaving the Sun than the other? Engage brain for a few seconds and work out what that would imply for the Sun. And the solar wind.
Andddd there it is folks....


Just can’t happen in jonesdave116’s world.

End of the ELECTRIC COMET.
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Old 8th July 2020, 02:39 PM   #3684
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Exclamation Years of lying about his cult's debunked and dead dogma continues

Years of lying about his cult's debunked and dead dogma continues.

His cult dogma is not a "charged cometary nucleus traveling thru and immersed in a plasma flow". That is a question about mainstream ice and dust comets that has been answered by tusenfem. They are in equilibrium.
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Old 8th July 2020, 02:49 PM   #3685
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Years of lying questions continues ("some do, why?" and he knows why).

He has cited at least 1 paper listing the various mechanisms that make asteroids active, e.g. radiation pressure spinning them up so that they eject dust and impacts exposing ice.
I just linked to Active asteroids that lists causes for asteroid activity.

Add that active asteroids are just 1 of the real world facts that debunks his cult's dogma. That dogma makes all asteroids into comets or over 600,000 asteroids into comets if it has the delusion that active asteroids are comets.
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Old 8th July 2020, 02:55 PM   #3686
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Andddd there it is folks....


Just can’t happen in jonesdave116’s world.

End of the ELECTRIC COMET.
What are you lying about now? What is in my world that is not accepted science? Care to expand on the lie?
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Old 8th July 2020, 02:58 PM   #3687
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Years of lying about posts, posters and science continues ("quasi-neutral, ya say")

As explained many times, it is textbook physics that plasmas are quasi-neutral. The charges in plasmas move to shield each other so that over a scale of the Debye length, they are neutral. This is true for anything that has mobile positive and negative charges.
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And you wouldn't know what you are talking about. As usual. For the millionth time, why is this not happening to asteroids? And what is the potential of the quasi-neutral solar wind that asteroids and comets move through? How charged can they get before the plasma they are moving through reacts to nullify that charge? Et cetera. Stick to Velikovsky, eh?
The post's subject is the ignorance of the Thunderbolts cult and its followers.

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Andddd there it is folks....




End of the ELECTRIC COMET.
That was scientifically impossible crap to start with. Something that never started cannot end.
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Years of citing and lying about mainstream ice and dust comet papers continues ("What’s this sheath they speak of").

A plasma or Debye sheath is the several Debye lengths thick layer of plasma next to a surface.

Plasma characterization at comet 67P between 2 and 4 AU from the Sun with the RPC-MIP instrument has an analysis of the RPC-MIP instrument response including the ion/plasma sheath surrounding the Rosetta spacecraft.
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We here use the mutual impedance experiment model developed and validated on RPC-MIP data in Wattieaux et al. (2019), which takes into account (i) the geometry of the Rosetta spacecraft as well as the RPC-MIP quadrupolar antenna, (ii) the ion sheath surrounding the spacecraft and the experiment because of the negative spacecraft-charging reported at Rosetta (Odelstad et al. 2015), ...
He lies about real comets because he knows the coma plasma does not reach the nucleus. A comet with a coma has neutral dust and gas from sublimated ice and dust just above the surface. It is the solar wind and solar UV that ionizes neutrals at the outer regions of the coma. The resulting electrons and ions will ionize some of the neutral dust and gas as it gets further from the comet surface.
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Years of lying about posts, posters and science continues ("Just can’t happen in jonesdave116’s world.")

jonesdave116’s post does not say that something cannot happen other than a cult follower telling us how quasi-neutrality does not apply to the solar wind.
In the real world, quasi-neutrality is a physical property of plasma.
In the real world, we have measured that the solar wind has an electron for every proton, etc., (is electrically neutral).
In the real world, people with brains can work out what happens for imaginary "potential of the solar wind", i.e. the solar wind is magically not electrically neutral. The Sun continuously gains charge over billons of years. The modern solar wind will only be gas + electrons or protons as the solar charge stops the opposite charge from escaping. The Sun may explode (the existing electric field in this paper "compensates for a half of the gravity". Arbitrarily increase it and what happens when it compensates for > 1 solar gravity?)

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The thousands of lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
The abysmal insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn and all astronomers by Sol88 linking them with Sol88's dogma, etc. (no astronomer believes comets are actual rock)
339 items of lies, insults, etc. from Sol88 since ~10 March 2020
P.S.
The other very debunked cult dogma of an electric sun (SAFIRE) has not been mentioned in a while (CNO fusion neutrinos detected from the real Sun).
Sol88's cult ignores that their ignorant fantasies cause hundreds of mass extinction events on Earth !
  1. Years of lies about posts, posters and science ("Little in the way of sublimation required...")
  2. Years of lies about posts and posters continues ("when pressed you retreat").
  3. Years of lying about double layers at comets continues ("I would say a double layer at a minimum").
  4. Years of lying about posts, posters and science continues ("no solar wind required")
  5. Years of lying about posts, posters and science continues (""good use of funds").
  6. Years of lying about his cult's debunked and dead dogma continues.
  7. Years of lying questions continues ("some do, why?" and he knows why).
  8. Years of lying about posts, posters and science continues ("quasi-neutral, ya say")
  9. Years of citing and lying about mainstream ice and dust comet papers continues ("What’s this sheath they speak of")
  10. Years of lying about posts, posters and science continues ("Just can’t happen in jonesdave116’s world.")

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Question Will Thunderbolts also have the delusion that Mercury is a comet

Sol88's Thunderbolts cult probably have the delusion that active asteroids are their electric comets when they have comae and tails from various mainstream physical processes like spinning up to eject dust or impacts or ice sublimating. If they were comets they debunk the cult's dogma! (> 600,000 asteroids would also be active).

Will Thunderbolts also have the delusion that Mercury is a comet because it has a tail?
Mercury's Sodium Tail
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Explanation: What is that fuzzy streak extending from Mercury? Long exposures of our Solar System's innermost planet may reveal something unexpected: a tail. Mercury's thin atmosphere contains small amounts of sodium that glow when excited by light from the Sun. Sunlight also liberates these molecules from Mercury's surface and pushes them away. The yellow glow from sodium, in particular, is relatively bright. Pictured, Mercury and its sodium tail are visible in a deep image taken in late May from Italy through a filter that primarily transmits yellow light emitted by sodium. First predicted in the 1980s, Mercury's tail was first discovered in 2001. Many tail details were revealed in multiple observations by NASA's robotic MESSENGER spacecraft that orbited Mercury between 2011 and 2015. Tails are usually associated with comets. The tails of Comet NEOWISE are currently visible with the unaided eye in the morning sky.
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Sorry, my bad. “Extra” electrons not “left over”...

Cometary Dust
If you could only comprehensively read, than you would understand that the "700 extra electrons" is the charge of the particle (per this and per that). So in the plasma the dust particle, instead of being neutral:

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This means that in the solar wind a particle of 1 μm size can have about 104 extra electrons.
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So, what are you able to tell us about the charged cometary nucleus traveling thru and immersed in a plasma flow?
I was telling you about it, until you decided that is was not difficult enough and non-linear plasma effects, which are apparently a problem for the math we are using (never mind all the textbooks on this topic), needed to be somehow included in the discussion.
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If you could only comprehensively read, than you would understand that the "700 extra electrons" is the charge of the particle (per this and per that). So in the plasma the dust particle, instead of being neutral:
So that’s a few electrons, ay? A discharge even.


Now considering we see a wee bit of dust....

Seems important

Now throw in both positive and negative dust....
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I was telling you about it, until you decided that is was not difficult enough and non-linear plasma effects, which are apparently a problem for the math we are using (never mind all the textbooks on this topic), needed to be somehow included in the discussion.

Save you the time.

It would form a sheath.
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Save you the time.

It would form a sheath.
Well, if you have all the answers already, then why not write up an actual post about how things work, including all the messy non-linear complex plasma behaviour.

Looking forward to it, you don't need me.
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Years of lying about posts, posters and science continues ("Just can’t happen in jonesdave116’s world.")

jonesdave116’s post does not say that something cannot happen other than a cult follower telling us how quasi-neutrality does not apply to the solar wind.
In the real world, quasi-neutrality is a physical property of plasma.
In the real world, we have measured that the solar wind has an electron for every proton, etc., (is electrically neutral).
In the real world, people with brains can work out what happens for imaginary "potential of the solar wind", i.e. the solar wind is magically not electrically neutral. The Sun continuously gains charge over billons of years. The modern solar wind will only be gas + electrons or protons as the solar charge stops the opposite charge from escaping. The Sun may explode (the existing electric field in this paper "compensates for a half of the gravity". Arbitrarily increase it and what happens when it compensates for > 1 solar gravity?)

Interesting paper rd, cheers...

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More recent books and review papers on the solar corona or the Sun have generally omitted the effect of elec- tric field (e.g. Parker 1963; Newkirk 1967; Gibson 1973; Athay 1976; Zirin 1988; Bird & Edenhofer 1990; Foukal 1990; Stix 1991; Low 1996). Since we have not found any paper mentioning a reason why the field should not exist, it seems that it was simply forgotten.
Simply forgotten....

How far does the Solar corona extend again?

If this electric field is at play, how do steenkh electrons and protons all move in the same direction?

So many questions... solar electric field shores up the cometary electric discharge as mentioned by tusenfem a few post back and reiterated just now.

Charge is leaving the nucleus via the dust...

The rocky like consolidated nucleus.
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Well, if you have all the answers already, then why not write up an actual post about how things work, including all the messy non-linear complex plasma behaviour.

Looking forward to it, you don't need me.

Your time taken to clear up discharging wrt comets was just fine thank you.


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Charge is leaving the nucleus via the dust...

The rocky like consolidated nucleus.
Wrong. Pure gibberish. Lern to scienz.
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So that’s a few electrons, ay? A discharge even.


Now considering we see a wee bit of dust....

Seems important

Now throw in both positive and negative dust....
And more gibberish. Why isn't this happening at asteroids? When are you going to answer?
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Now considering we see a wee bit of dust....
Which shouldn't be there, according to your woo. And why are we seeing the dust around comets but not around asteroids? You might want to explain this. And won't.
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Years of lying about posts, posters and science continues ("A discharge even").

There are no discharges in the mainstream ice and dust comet paper that he cited or tusenfem's post. The science is that dust particles in comet coma gain 700 extra electrons from the coma. These electrons come from mainstream mechanisms, not his cult's debunked and dead dogma.
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Wrong. Pure gibberish. Lern to scienz.

Seems you’ve been outscienz’d.


Why can’t the dust be charged and being removed via electrical forces?

Because you say so?
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Years of lying about his cult's debunked and dead dogma continues ("a wee bit of dust...")

What his cult has is a delusion of "thunderbolts" (enormous electric discharges) happening at comets producing dust from imaginary rock. They have no idea what charge(s) the dust will have.
What we have are mechanisms based on real world physics that predict positively and negatively charged dust particles and the detection of those charged dust particles confirming mainstream ice and dust cometary science.
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Seems you’ve been outscienz’d.


Why can’t the dust be charged and being removed via electrical forces?

Because you say so?
And why is this not happening at asteroids? Why is the dust entrained in neutral gas at comets, whilst just sitting around doing sod all on the vast majority of asteroids? What size of dust is detected? What sizes could electrostatic charges actually remove from the nucleus? See all that ice around Hartley 2? Got there due to electric woo, did it? Millimetre, centimetre and decimetre sized dust are lifted electrostatically are they? Where is the science showing that?
And the dust should not be there, according to your woo. Want me to quote the idiot Thornhill again?
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A plasma sheath forms when plasma meets a surface. Plasma in comet coma forms above the surface of the nucleus. There is no plasma sheath at that surface. The Rosetta spacecraft was a surface actually in the coma and its plasma. Thus the mainstream ice and dust comet paper took in account the plasma sheath around Rosetta.
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Years of lying about posts, posters and science continues ("Interesting paper rd, cheers ...").

Replies to Years of lying about posts, posters and science continues ("Just can’t happen in jonesdave116’s world.") with more lies.

On the global electrostatic charge of stars is a paper showing that the Sun's (known about since the 1920's) electric field cannot be too big. His cult's debunked and dead dogma demands an enormous electric field that might make the Sun explode !

An ignorant fantasy that electrons and protons move at the same speed in the solar wind. Any force will accelerate protons 1826 times less than electrons (F=ma).

A lie that tusenfem mentioned a "cometary electric discharge" when tusenfem's posts have been pointing out the impossibility of the Thunderbolts cult's delusion of cometary electric discharges.

A "Charge is leaving the nucleus via the dust" lie.
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Old 9th July 2020, 05:03 PM   #3709
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Exclamation Years of lying questions continues with "How far does the Solar corona extend again?"

Years of lying questions continues with "How far does the Solar corona extend again?"

The Sun's corona extends millions of kilometres into outer space and does not get near comets far outside Earth's orbit from the Sun.
STEREO mapped the corona to extend ~8.4 million kilometers above the photosphere.
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Exclamation Years of lying about posts, posters and science continues

Years of lying about posts, posters and science continues with a "thank you" for tusenfem's posts pointing out that his cult's ignorant fantasy of massive cometary electric discharges is ignorant and a fantasy.
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Old 9th July 2020, 05:19 PM   #3711
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Exclamation Years of lying about posts, posters and science continues

Years of lying about posts, posters and science continues with "Seems you’ve been outscienz’d. ..." lies.

No science has been presented that makes jonesdave116's science -based posts invalid.

Sol88 lies that jonesdave116 has written dust cannot be charged or be removed via electrical forces. jonesdave116 has agreed with the mainstream ice and dust cometary science that Sol88 has cited and lied about ! The solar wind before the coma blocks it will charge dust and electrostatic forces will eject some dust from the nucleus. When the solar wind is blocked from the coma formed by ice sublimating, that process will stop. The dominant mechanism for ejecting dust from comets with coma is sublimating ice.

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Old 10th July 2020, 09:36 AM   #3712
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Safire woo debunked;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmVdPgkudC8

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Old 10th July 2020, 09:05 PM   #3713
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Oh dear! It would seem that Monty is not only a scammer, but is also a religious nutjob;

Quote:
The SAFIRE Project
3 months ago (edited)

I would just like to thank you most sincerely for your objective an unbiased compilation of our work. We truly are here to serve you and our Heavenly Father. If we can accomplish the things that we have just now set out to do then I would appreciate all to consider this is God's love toward Humanity and we would have fulfilled our promise to be good servants in His name.

Again thank you so very much and with best and most sincere regards Montgomery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J6HDQLicWI

Is it possible for these clowns to get any more ridiculous?
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OK, now that it is all public, here is an excerpt from an email that Dr. Lowell Morgan (only physicist on the SAFIRE project who knew what he was doing) sent to me (and I have full permission to quote him);

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Thanks for note. I don't care about Monty's lawyers, so if I said anything that you or others might be able to use, make use of it. If you have other questions let me know. I've told Monty that he's a fraud so my opinions would come as no surprise to him. I wonder if Paul Anderson is still involved.

Early on in the work I made use of the ideal gas law and had to explain what it is to all three. Ditto for the meaning of temperature. They're bozos.

Best wishes
Lowell
My bolding.

EDIT:

Fully expecting a barrage of idiotic woo from Sol to get this off of the most recent page, due to orders from the idiots in charge of his cult. Not going to work. Will repost on every new page. For some time to come.
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SAFIRE woo "fraudulent"?

An abridged email I had from Dr. Lowell Morgan;

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my involvement with Safire began in Jan 2013. a colleague and business partner who was a physicist at Los Alamos (the late Louie Rosocha) called me in
Dec 2012 and said that there was a conference called the Electric Universe in Albuquerque in Jan 2013 that seemed off the wall but might be interesting. my artist girlfriend at the time, who is a terrific painter (she painted the Einstein piece of the first page of my website www.kinema.com along with lots of other science related paintings - prints of a couple of her paintings are on the EU store site stickmanonstone.com), and i met Louie in ABQ for the meeting. Louie & i decided during the first couple of talks that the EU concept is fraudulent ******** being promoted by several people as real science to the general public. we hung around to see what this whole thing encompassed. mostly they hate mainstream physics and the role that mathematics plays in it, they don't really know any physics or mathematics to speak of, they are, of course, Einstein haters, and feel put upon because mainstream science ignores them. they have all the usual trappings of crackpot scientists. they don't believe that fusion in the core powers stars. their "physicist" is Wallace Thornhill and, to some extent, Don Scott. Thornhill spent his career as a computer salesman for IBM in Australia. Scott taught electrical engineering somewhere in MA. i've been a professional physicist for 52 years, much of it in gas discharge physics. same for Louie. so we had vast experience with laboratory plasmas. although Louie is deceased i continue to work having been self employed for 33 years. i've attached, along with a PDF of our one & only Safire paper, my bio that gets published by the IEEE when i publish in one of their journals.

i quit for several reasons: (1) they could no longer pay me, (2) they're just amateurs to whom i tried unsuccessfully to teach plasma physics & chemistry for a half dozen years and i was tired of working with amateurs, (3) i had and still do have two other contract jobs that i work on, (4) Monty and the others were making fraudulent statements about their measurements & observations (see their 2018 progress report - my name is on it even though i asked them to take it off), & (5) they were headed in a direction involving cold fusion, transmutation of elements, and net energy generation that are just crackpot. all because they are pretty ignorant of physics. nor can they do mathematics or computer modeling & simulation, which are necessities in this field."
Bolding mine.

So, if there is anybody out there who wants to invest in this, I want to make it known to them that I have a bridge for sale at a very reasonable price.
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