Lord Language Resurrection.

Nationalcosmopolitan · 14th April 2008, 01:22 AM

Three-resurrection facts the reason of post monolingual world creation.

According Bible it was one nation in the world of God.
And this nation had a supper strong wish to rich HIM.
So they began to build the Tower of Babel.

But the Tower was destroyed cause dividing constructors on many nations and languages misunderstanding each other.

The process of creation of more and more new nations and languages had been end about 100 – 50 years ago.
The last being created new language was Hebrew – the language of Bible, that God had gave to Moshe on the
Sinai mount.
And most Abram religious people believe that it was the language of Babel Tower builders.
In the same time Hebrew has became RESURRECTED GOD LANGUAGE after 2700 years of died in REVIVED GOD HOME STATE OF ISRAEL after 2700 years of died.

Now some words about bilingual persons.
Bilinguals are sort of people that have two native languages.
It even ever doesn’t mean that they can translate well from one language to another, but it does mean that they can laugh and cry on both of them.

The children of emigrants are bilinguals very often of there mother language and language of new motherland.
The children of parents from different nations are often bilingual too.

Now the main idea and proposal of this post.

The Fact of Resurrecting the Language of God, constructors of Babel Tower, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moshe, first Lord scriptural precept.
The Fact of national and confessional faith languages and cultures advantage in every nation of the world.
The Fact of returning billions of people to God and nationalism.

For because of this three facts my proposal to form from all children of God believing parents GOD LANGUAGE RESURRECTED – MOTHER (NATIONAL) LANGUAGE BILINGUALS.

It will be good if children all over the world know English.
But parents of the world have to be ABSOLUTELY SURE that there they will not become Anglo-Saxon culture and language monolinguals.

Children from all over the world have come to resurrected state of Israel to get Hebrew resurrected with goal of forming POSTMONOLINGUAL HEBREW RESURRECTED – NATIONAL LANGUAGE BILINGUAL GLOBAL WORLD.

For because God Language Resurrection in Israel the people all over the world will return to Him.
All people will become God Resurrected Language – national language bilinguals.
I have a strong wish to discuss this idea with you.

devnull · 14th April 2008, 01:31 AM

Firstly - wow.

Secondly - I think everyone should learn Mandarin rather than English. It is the shortest path to a common language. I think its damn cool that the Prime Minister of Australia recently traveled to China and spoke with a group of university students in Mandarin, and even managed to get a laugh out of them.

Thirdly - I dont fully understand - are you saying all children should travel to Israel to learn Hebrew as it is the language of god?

Fourthly - God and nationalism are over. The fat lady is warming up her vocal chords. You cannot go back now, because too many people are educated and have learned to think for themselves.

Finally - the chances of everyone on the planet deciding to learn Hebrew because of some fading superstition are so close to zero Id rather not split hairs and say 'aint gonna happen dude'.

TriangleMan · 14th April 2008, 01:38 AM

If Hebrew is the language of God, why did He reveal the Qur'an in Arabic?

Hokulele · 14th April 2008, 01:38 AM

分かりません.

devnull · 14th April 2008, 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by Hokulele

分かりません.

Oh damn, how do I nominate again?

PBTree · 14th April 2008, 01:51 AM

Hi.

I think you have to understand that your god is nuts. Why would everyone want to learn the language of a complete an utter nutcase.

eg. He/she got angry with a bunch of people who were fooling around and not paying attention, so he flooded the world and killed everyone except a few animals and the 'teachers pet' noah. He/she created shellfish and then decided they gave him gas. Now none of us are supposed to eat them. He/she created the devil, now he spurns everyone who says nice things about him..... etc etc etc etc.....

He/she is nuts. If I wanted to learn the language of a complete nutcase, I would move to Zimbabwe and talk to Mugabe

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wollery · 14th April 2008, 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by devnull

Secondly - I think everyone should learn Mandarin rather than English. It is the shortest path to a common language. I think its damn cool that the Prime Minister of Australia recently traveled to China and spoke with a group of university students in Mandarin, and even managed to get a laugh out of them.

All Chinese schoolchildren have to study English for 9 years, and more people speak English than any other language (it's the official language of India), so it looks like English will become the common language.

Oh, and the Australian PM's comment was very funny.

slingblade · 14th April 2008, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by Nationalcosmopolitan

I have a strong wish to discuss this idea with you.

I don't want to discuss your idea. I don't believe in your god.

The language in which I hold a degree suits me fine.

six7s · 14th April 2008, 02:45 AM

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Jackalgirl · 14th April 2008, 02:54 AM

I like Esperanto. It's really simple, though not limited (not like "Basic English") -- you can express yourself completely. And because it's simple, you can come up to speed really, really quickly.

It is, IMHO, a better choice than any national language like Hebrew, and especially moreso than English (I pity people who have to study English, I really do -- sure, it's a cool language and I think it's fun and I enjoy it, but I thank my stars that I was born into an English-speaking country because having to learn all of those exceptions [and, shudder, the horror, the spelling] would drive me bat-stuff insane). The "world language", if it's English, isn't English -- it's bad English, spoken according to various scripts and Gods help you if you deviate from the script.

However, I don't think that any language can become a world language just by talking about it, or by trying to convince people that it's a good idea. People (to paint with a broad brush) are lazy. Or maybe it would be better to say that they're busy. Most people -- crazy linguists or people interested in everything or pen-pal addicts or just weird people in general excepted -- aren't going to put the time into a language unless they get something out of it. So Esperanto isn't going to become a world language until it becomes overwhelmingly (and financially) compelling to be one.

Which is why trying to get people to learn Hebrew is going to go the same route -- not very far, and not very fast -- unless people can see a real, material (and compelling) return on the effort of learning it.

Edited to add: any national language, including Hebrew, carries with it historical and cultural baggage. People learning English might worry about being "infected" with Capitalism or a Western worldview, since it's tied so tightly in with the language itself. There's probably a sizeable portion of the world that would object to Hebrew because of its connection to Jews. I imagine quite a few Americans, in particular, might have issues about having to learn Arabic. I imagine the French are pretty ticked off about anything other than French being considered a world language*. Russian? You want me to learn the language of Commies? And so on. That's what makes Esperanto so attractive. It's relatively neutral (though it is based mostly on Western forms of language). Some people accuse it of being sexist (and, IMHO, it is to some degree). But it isn't associated with any specific culture or worldview except that of wanting to be able to speak with anyone. So your point -- which is that in addition to English (and, presumably, their own mother tongue[s]), that everyone should have a "hip pocket" language so as to be able to effectively communicate with someone, is met by Esperanto far more compellingly than Hebrew.

Edited to add: by the way, languages haven't stopped evolving and changing, btw, as you indicate in your post. They have a tendency to diverge (see, for example, the differences between Old, Middle and modern English, between British English and American English, and even the differences in pronunciation and dialect between & within different portions of England and America. Oh, and Hebrew is a LOT older than "100 to 50 years"**. You might want to try checking out the branch of Anthropology that deals with language (linguistics). It's pretty interesting.

Edited to add: *I am being snarky at the French people's expense, I realize.

Edited to add: ** One hundred years ago was 1908. Check out this Wikipedia list of things that happened in 1908 so that you can get a sense of what was going on. Here's the page for 1958, fifty years ago. I understand that with large numbers, a certain degree of "number numbness" sets in. But if you're going to talk intelligently about history, you need to know what you're talking about. When you try to claim that Hebrew came about 50 years ago (AFTER World War II) or 100 years ago (AFTER the Crimean War), you do not seem at all like you know what you're talking about. I realize that you talk about the Tower of Babel, which (if it happened at all) obviously didn't happen "100 to 50" years ago, so it just seems like a typo but...could you please proof before, or just after, you post?

Nationalcosmopolitan · 14th April 2008, 03:17 AM

God wants to preserve all national cultures and languages because He is Creator of them.
It is a separation instrument for nations independent free development.
From another hand God wants to give a common language for all world people communication.
In a history there were many “imperil” languages that tried to be common.
For because all of them, including English (the last candidate to become common) had a great danger – world monolingualisation they can’t be the common languages of Global Bilingual Future God believers World.
Only Hebrew – the language of Bible recreated magically after 2700 years of death can and have to be this common language of national – Resurrected Hebrew bilingual Global world.
I do not want to make any limits to modern expansion of English.
But God strongly wishes to return all people to HIS RESURRECTED HOLY LANGUAGE.

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If Hebrew is the language of God, why did He reveal the Qur'an in Arabic?

Koran and Torah language are God Holy ones.
But Arabic did not go throw died and resurrection.
I am absolutely sure that Muhammad and Jesus and Moshe are celebrate together the first Holy Language and Israel State resurrection as the beginning of post monolingual global world.

Complexity · 14th April 2008, 03:25 AM

Nationalcosmopolitan - Your god does not exist, but if it did, I would reject it as being unworthy.

Your beliefs are ridiculous.

Jackalgirl · 14th April 2008, 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by Nationalcosmopolitan

God wants to preserve all national cultures and languages because He is Creator of them.
It is a separation instrument for nations independent free development.
From another hand God wants to give a common language for all world people communication.

Good! Hopefully It will come onboard with Esperanto. The movement (IMO) is going very well, but it sure would do better with divine intervention.

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But God strongly wishes to return all people to HIS RESURRECTED HOLY LANGUAGE.

How do you know?

devnull · 14th April 2008, 04:14 AM

Originally Posted by Complexity

Nationalcosmopolitan - Your god does not exist, but if it did, I would reject it as being unworthy.

Your beliefs are ridiculous.

From now on, Complexity speaks on my behalf.

bokonon · 14th April 2008, 04:49 AM

Originally Posted by Nationalcosmopolitan

But God strongly wishes to return all people to HIS RESURRECTED HOLY LANGUAGE.

Well, then, all he has to do is un-Babel humanity. I'm sure as life not going to waste my time studying a language I have no use for to help his imaginary omnipotence clean up the mistake his own fairy tale claims he made.

If I wake up tomorrow and find all the books on my bookshelf mysteriously translated into Hebrew, and even more mysteriously find that I UNDERSTAND Hebrew and can't recall a word of English, I'll call in sick and head to church with all the rest of the new converts to sing whatever the Hebrew equivalent of "Hosanna" is, at least until lunchtime.

I'm not holding my breath, and you might as well save yours for your imaginary sky daddy. If he broke it, I'm not buying it.

wollery · 14th April 2008, 05:17 AM

Okay, to be serious for a minute.

Hebrew is not the language of the bible. The languages of the bible are Aramaic (later transcribed into Hebrew in the Torah and Old Testament), Greek (The language the gospels were written in) and Latin. Hebrew is alive and well, and has remained so in every Synagogue in the world, so there's no need or reason to resurrect it.

fuelair · 14th April 2008, 05:44 AM

What a large load of fecality the OP is!!!

TriangleMan · 14th April 2008, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by Nationalcosmopolitan

Koran and Torah language are God Holy ones.
But Arabic did not go throw died and resurrection.
I am absolutely sure that Muhammad and Jesus and Moshe are celebrate together the first Holy Language and Israel State resurrection as the beginning of post monolingual global world.

Are you using translation software? I'm only asking because this makes almost no sense.

Zep · 14th April 2008, 07:05 AM

I thought the only true universal language was Visual Basic...

Or maybe C in a pinch.

Bikewer · 14th April 2008, 07:09 AM

Just remember, the language of the Great Old Ones was "not meant to be uttered by human tongues..."

drkitten · 14th April 2008, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by wollery

Hebrew is alive and well, and has remained so in every Synagogue in the world, so there's no need or reason to resurrect it.

Actually, bat(rule10) crazy as the opening poster is, he got one thing right.

Hebrew has been "resurrected" since the 1950s.

The term "dead language" has a specific meaning in linguistics; it's a language for which no 'native speakers," meaning people who learned the language as infants, exist. Latin, for example, although fairly widely studied, is a dead language -- mothers don't speak it to their babies and children don't babble it to their fellows in preschool. Ancient Greek is similarly dead, and so are many other languages known to specialists (Cornish, &c).

From about 100CE to 1950CE, Hebrew was on that list, too. Hebrew was a learned language of the synagogue but children didn't babble it to their parents. With the foundation of Israel, Jews started using a modernized version of the language, and most importantly, started speaking it to their children; as a result, there is a living, vibrant culture of native Hebrew speakers today.

boojum · 14th April 2008, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by Zep

I thought the only true universal language was Visual Basic...

Or maybe C in a pinch.

Please. You must mean LISP. When we finally meet aliens, we'll find them programming is some dialect of LISP!

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madurobob · 14th April 2008, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by TriangleMan

Are you using translation software? I'm only asking because this makes almost no sense.

The choice of words and overall message makes it sound like the same translator Dr Bronner used for his soap labels. Although, the OP could use a few more hyphens and exclamation marks.

If I understand the OP, we should all maintain our individual language and culture, but have a common language to facilitate cross-cultural communication. Yeah, we're getting pretty close, thanks Mr Internet. Just please leave out all the religious mumbo jumbo.

I Ratant · 14th April 2008, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by TriangleMan

Are you using translation software? I'm only asking because this makes almost no sense.

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"almost" is out of place.

I Ratant · 14th April 2008, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by Bikewer

Just remember, the language of the Great Old Ones was "not meant to be uttered by human tongues..."

But with the right font, and if you don't mouth the words as you read them....?

drkitten · 14th April 2008, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by madurobob

If I understand the OP, we should all maintain our individual language and culture, but have a common language to facilitate cross-cultural communication.

And that common language should be Hebrew.

I can agree with #1 and #2,... but I think #3 is silly. English and Mandarin Chinese both have hundreds of times more speakers, and English is also well-suppored technologically (unlike Chinese, which has a real problem in its tens of thousands of characters). I can't really take any other language's claim to be a better universal language seriously.

six7s · 14th April 2008, 12:41 PM

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Hokulele · 14th April 2008, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Nationalcosmopolitan

In a history there were many “imperil” languages that tried to be common.
For because all of them, including English (the last candidate to become common) had a great danger – world monolingualisation they can’t be the common languages of Global Bilingual Future God believers World.

Why not?

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Only Hebrew – the language of Bible recreated magically after 2700 years of death can and have to be this common language of national – Resurrected Hebrew bilingual Global world.

Why?

Quote:

I do not want to make any limits to modern expansion of English.
But God strongly wishes to return all people to HIS RESURRECTED HOLY LANGUAGE.

As Jackalgirl noted, how do you know this?

Quote:

Koran and Torah language are God Holy ones.
But Arabic did not go throw died and resurrection.
I am absolutely sure that Muhammad and Jesus and Moshe are celebrate together the first Holy Language and Israel State resurrection as the beginning of post monolingual global world.

Mohammed, maybe. His followers, not so much.

Jackalgirl · 14th April 2008, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by drkitten

Actually, bat(rule10) crazy as the opening poster is, he got one thing right.

Hebrew has been "resurrected" since the 1950s.

The term "dead language" has a specific meaning in linguistics; it's a language for which no 'native speakers," meaning people who learned the language as infants, exist. Latin, for example, although fairly widely studied, is a dead language -- mothers don't speak it to their babies and children don't babble it to their fellows in preschool. Ancient Greek is similarly dead, and so are many other languages known to specialists (Cornish, &c).

From about 100CE to 1950CE, Hebrew was on that list, too. Hebrew was a learned language of the synagogue but children didn't babble it to their parents. With the foundation of Israel, Jews started using a modernized version of the language, and most importantly, started speaking it to their children; as a result, there is a living, vibrant culture of native Hebrew speakers today.

Aha! I stand corrected. I think I understand what the OP is saying (well, in that regard at least). Thanks!

bokonon · 14th April 2008, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by TriangleMan

Are you using translation software?

Unlikely. Translation software would know that "reach" is not spelled "R-I-C-H."

Complexity · 14th April 2008, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by devnull

From now on, Complexity speaks on my behalf.

Happy bit bucket to ya!

You're free to disengage as needed, but I'll enjoy your company.

You've joined a very interesting equivalence class : Dawkins, articulett, myself, and yourself, in order of discovered membership.

I've decided I need to start some threads - it has been a long time.

First will be on victory and mental illness.

Second will be on We are Dad, some truly good people, some truly nasty people, and a case study on what a destructive force religion can be.

Complexity · 14th April 2008, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by I Ratant

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"almost" is out of place.

You monster!

I just spent far too long trying to get a little bug off of my screen.

(It's in his avatar.)

wollery · 14th April 2008, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by drkitten

Actually, bat(rule10) crazy as the opening poster is, he got one thing right.

Hebrew has been "resurrected" since the 1950s.

The term "dead language" has a specific meaning in linguistics; it's a language for which no 'native speakers," meaning people who learned the language as infants, exist. Latin, for example, although fairly widely studied, is a dead language -- mothers don't speak it to their babies and children don't babble it to their fellows in preschool. Ancient Greek is similarly dead, and so are many other languages known to specialists (Cornish, &c).

From about 100CE to 1950CE, Hebrew was on that list, too. Hebrew was a learned language of the synagogue but children didn't babble it to their parents. With the foundation of Israel, Jews started using a modernized version of the language, and most importantly, started speaking it to their children; as a result, there is a living, vibrant culture of native Hebrew speakers today.

Fair point.

articulett · 14th April 2008, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by fuelair

What a large load of fecality the OP is!!!

You know, if you spell OP backwards and then forwards it's an anagram for fecality....
(insert Twlight Zone Music)

articulett · 14th April 2008, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Complexity

Happy bit bucket to ya!

You're free to disengage as needed, but I'll enjoy your company.

You've joined a very interesting equivalence class : Dawkins, articulett, myself, and yourself, in order of discovered membership.

I've decided I need to start some threads - it has been a long time.

First will be on victory and mental illness.

Second will be on We are Dad, some truly good people, some truly nasty people, and a case study on what a destructive force religion can be.

Yep... count me amongst the few and proud-- the militant and strident even.

Daring to resurrect language from an old thread...

in honor of Lord Language Resurrection, I'd like to quote Kathy Griffin, when I say "suck it, Jesus".

I Ratant · 14th April 2008, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Complexity

You monster!

I just spent far too long trying to get a little bug off of my screen.

(It's in his avatar.)

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Perception is everything!

articulett · 14th April 2008, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by I Ratant

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Perception is everything!

It's evil.

It's wrong.

I can't wait to use it on someone.

Kopji · 14th April 2008, 07:45 PM

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But the Tower was destroyed cause dividing constructors on many nations and languages misunderstanding each other.

Well this is certainly a revelation. I was always taught that before the tower of Babel was built there was only one language. God was mad or something because they tried to reach heaven, so he confused their languages so it would fall down and go boom. God did not WANT all languages as one, because it made people too powerful.

So... According to the Bible anyway... God made this multilingual problem.
But what the heck do atheists know?
Let's take a look at that Bible Story:

Quote:

Genesis 11
1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

Hey! This sounds like there was one language once.

Quote:

... 4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

God looked down and saw them. Man they're gonna get it now... If you ask me, God seems a little less than omniscient here. At least not very proactive. Maybe he was distracted by all the evil, and hadn't noticed the construction project until it got up near the clouds.

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6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

DARN THEM!!! Ignorance is bliss. Well, this is a fairly well established case for belief.

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7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

Amen. And so it is today.
The lesson seems clear that one language angered God, and would now just as much as it did then.

Nationalcosmopolitan · 15th April 2008, 12:20 AM

Most influent world events:
1 Moshe gets script precept from God on language of Israel People and not Egypt language.
2 Enlightenment Buddha.
3 Jesus Resurrection.
4 Muhammad gets Koran from God.
5 God Language Resurrection.
6 God Home State Resurrection on the same place, with the same Name, with native revived Holy Language speakers.

Five of them have straight connection with one place – God Home State, had resurrected after 2700 years of death.
Those facts - trivial God imperative message to HIS PEOPLE – to form Holy Resurrected Language – mother language natively speaking bilingual children all over the world.

According Jewish lowers we have no right to make missioners deals, but we have right to give Holy Resurrected Language to all children of the world.

Hebrew – National languages bilingual world will save all nations cultures from today’s Global Cosmopolitan denation.

Monolingual world – all national cultures, national confesses incompatible world.
God Resurrected Language – every nation languages bilingual world - all national cultures, national confesses compatible world.

Jewish people had survived for resurrect Holy Language and God Home State and for giving Hebrew revived to every world people.
The most Israel people are Hebrew - the country of an outcome languages – bilingual ones.
The greatest mistake will be if we after one – two generations will become Hebrew native speaking monolinguals!
Israelites have remain all nations languages – God Resurrected Language natively speaking bilinguals for ever!

wollery · 15th April 2008, 12:35 AM

Is it me, or is it getting harder to penetrate Nationalcosmopolitan's language?

14th April 2008, 01:38 AM	#4
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14th April 2008, 01:45 AM	#5
devnull Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 6,057	Originally Posted by Hokulele 分かりません. Oh damn, how do I nominate again?
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14th April 2008, 01:51 AM	#6
PBTree Muse Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 521	Hi. I think you have to understand that your god is nuts. Why would everyone want to learn the language of a complete an utter nutcase. eg. He/she got angry with a bunch of people who were fooling around and not paying attention, so he flooded the world and killed everyone except a few animals and the 'teachers pet' noah. He/she created shellfish and then decided they gave him gas. Now none of us are supposed to eat them. He/she created the devil, now he spurns everyone who says nice things about him..... etc etc etc etc..... He/she is nuts. If I wanted to learn the language of a complete nutcase, I would move to Zimbabwe and talk to Mugabe .
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14th April 2008, 01:59 AM	#7
wollery Protected by Samurai Hedgehogs! Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 11,252	Originally Posted by devnull Secondly - I think everyone should learn Mandarin rather than English. It is the shortest path to a common language. I think its damn cool that the Prime Minister of Australia recently traveled to China and spoke with a group of university students in Mandarin, and even managed to get a laugh out of them. All Chinese schoolchildren have to study English for 9 years, and more people speak English than any other language (it's the official language of India), so it looks like English will become the common language. Oh, and the Australian PM's comment was very funny.
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14th April 2008, 02:23 AM	#8
slingblade Guest Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,466	Originally Posted by Nationalcosmopolitan I have a strong wish to discuss this idea with you. I don't want to discuss your idea. I don't believe in your god. The language in which I hold a degree suits me fine.
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14th April 2008, 01:22 AM	#1
Nationalcosmopolitan Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,510	Lord Language Resurrection. Three-resurrection facts the reason of post monolingual world creation. According Bible it was one nation in the world of God. And this nation had a supper strong wish to rich HIM. So they began to build the Tower of Babel. But the Tower was destroyed cause dividing constructors on many nations and languages misunderstanding each other. The process of creation of more and more new nations and languages had been end about 100 – 50 years ago. The last being created new language was Hebrew – the language of Bible, that God had gave to Moshe on the Sinai mount. And most Abram religious people believe that it was the language of Babel Tower builders. In the same time Hebrew has became RESURRECTED GOD LANGUAGE after 2700 years of died in REVIVED GOD HOME STATE OF ISRAEL after 2700 years of died. Now some words about bilingual persons. Bilinguals are sort of people that have two native languages. It even ever doesn’t mean that they can translate well from one language to another, but it does mean that they can laugh and cry on both of them. The children of emigrants are bilinguals very often of there mother language and language of new motherland. The children of parents from different nations are often bilingual too. Now the main idea and proposal of this post. The Fact of Resurrecting the Language of God, constructors of Babel Tower, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moshe, first Lord scriptural precept. The Fact of national and confessional faith languages and cultures advantage in every nation of the world. The Fact of returning billions of people to God and nationalism. For because of this three facts my proposal to form from all children of God believing parents GOD LANGUAGE RESURRECTED – MOTHER (NATIONAL) LANGUAGE BILINGUALS. It will be good if children all over the world know English. But parents of the world have to be ABSOLUTELY SURE that there they will not become Anglo-Saxon culture and language monolinguals. Children from all over the world have come to resurrected state of Israel to get Hebrew resurrected with goal of forming POSTMONOLINGUAL HEBREW RESURRECTED – NATIONAL LANGUAGE BILINGUAL GLOBAL WORLD. For because God Language Resurrection in Israel the people all over the world will return to Him. All people will become God Resurrected Language – national language bilinguals. I have a strong wish to discuss this idea with you.

14th April 2008, 01:31 AM	#2
devnull Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 6,057	Firstly - wow. Secondly - I think everyone should learn Mandarin rather than English. It is the shortest path to a common language. I think its damn cool that the Prime Minister of Australia recently traveled to China and spoke with a group of university students in Mandarin, and even managed to get a laugh out of them. Thirdly - I dont fully understand - are you saying all children should travel to Israel to learn Hebrew as it is the language of god? Fourthly - God and nationalism are over. The fat lady is warming up her vocal chords. You cannot go back now, because too many people are educated and have learned to think for themselves. Finally - the chances of everyone on the planet deciding to learn Hebrew because of some fading superstition are so close to zero Id rather not split hairs and say 'aint gonna happen dude'.
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14th April 2008, 01:38 AM	#3
TriangleMan Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Qatar Posts: 1,526	If Hebrew is the language of God, why did He reveal the Qur'an in Arabic?
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14th April 2008, 02:54 AM	#10
Jackalgirl Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,801	I like Esperanto. It's really simple, though not limited (not like "Basic English") -- you can express yourself completely. And because it's simple, you can come up to speed really, really quickly. It is, IMHO, a better choice than any national language like Hebrew, and especially moreso than English (I pity people who have to study English, I really do -- sure, it's a cool language and I think it's fun and I enjoy it, but I thank my stars that I was born into an English-speaking country because having to learn all of those exceptions [and, shudder, the horror, the spelling] would drive me bat-stuff insane). The "world language", if it's English, isn't English -- it's bad English, spoken according to various scripts and Gods help you if you deviate from the script. However, I don't think that any language can become a world language just by talking about it, or by trying to convince people that it's a good idea. People (to paint with a broad brush) are lazy. Or maybe it would be better to say that they're busy. Most people -- crazy linguists or people interested in everything or pen-pal addicts or just weird people in general excepted -- aren't going to put the time into a language unless they get something out of it. So Esperanto isn't going to become a world language until it becomes overwhelmingly (and financially) compelling to be one. Which is why trying to get people to learn Hebrew is going to go the same route -- not very far, and not very fast -- unless people can see a real, material (and compelling) return on the effort of learning it. Edited to add: any national language, including Hebrew, carries with it historical and cultural baggage. People learning English might worry about being "infected" with Capitalism or a Western worldview, since it's tied so tightly in with the language itself. There's probably a sizeable portion of the world that would object to Hebrew because of its connection to Jews. I imagine quite a few Americans, in particular, might have issues about having to learn Arabic. I imagine the French are pretty ticked off about anything other than French being considered a world language. Russian? You want me to learn the language of Commies? And so on. That's what makes Esperanto so attractive. It's relatively neutral (though it is based mostly on Western forms of language). Some people accuse it of being sexist (and, IMHO, it is to some degree). But it isn't associated with any specific culture or worldview except that of wanting to be able to speak with anyone. So your point -- which is that in addition to English* (and, presumably, their own mother tongue[s]), that everyone should have a "hip pocket" language so as to be able to effectively communicate with someone, is met by Esperanto far more compellingly than Hebrew. Edited to add: by the way, languages haven't stopped evolving and changing, btw, as you indicate in your post. They have a tendency to diverge (see, for example, the differences between Old, Middle and modern English, between British English and American English, and even the differences in pronunciation and dialect between & within different portions of England and America. Oh, and Hebrew is a LOT older than "100 to 50 years"*. You might want to try checking out the branch of Anthropology that deals with language (linguistics). It's pretty interesting. Edited to add: I am being snarky at the French people's expense, I realize. Edited to add: ** One hundred years ago was 1908. Check out this Wikipedia list of things that happened in 1908 so that you can get a sense of what was going on. Here's the page for 1958, fifty years ago. I understand that with large numbers, a certain degree of "number numbness" sets in. But if you're going to talk intelligently about history, you need to know what you're talking about. When you try to claim that Hebrew came about 50 years ago (AFTER World War II) or 100 years ago (AFTER the Crimean War), you do not seem at all like you know what you're talking about. I realize that you talk about the Tower of Babel, which (if it happened at all) obviously didn't happen "100 to 50" years ago, so it just seems like a typo but...could you please proof before, or just after, you post?
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14th April 2008, 03:17 AM	#11
Nationalcosmopolitan Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,510	God wants to preserve all national cultures and languages because He is Creator of them. It is a separation instrument for nations independent free development. From another hand God wants to give a common language for all world people communication. In a history there were many “imperil” languages that tried to be common. For because all of them, including English (the last candidate to become common) had a great danger – world monolingualisation they can’t be the common languages of Global Bilingual Future God believers World. Only Hebrew – the language of Bible recreated magically after 2700 years of death can and have to be this common language of national – Resurrected Hebrew bilingual Global world. I do not want to make any limits to modern expansion of English. But God strongly wishes to return all people to HIS RESURRECTED HOLY LANGUAGE. Quote: If Hebrew is the language of God, why did He reveal the Qur'an in Arabic? Koran and Torah language are God Holy ones. But Arabic did not go throw died and resurrection. I am absolutely sure that Muhammad and Jesus and Moshe are celebrate together the first Holy Language and Israel State resurrection as the beginning of post monolingual global world.

14th April 2008, 03:25 AM	#12
Complexity Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 9,242	Nationalcosmopolitan - Your god does not exist, but if it did, I would reject it as being unworthy. Your beliefs are ridiculous.
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14th April 2008, 03:31 AM	#13
Jackalgirl Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,801	Originally Posted by Nationalcosmopolitan God wants to preserve all national cultures and languages because He is Creator of them. It is a separation instrument for nations independent free development. From another hand God wants to give a common language for all world people communication. Good! Hopefully It will come onboard with Esperanto. The movement (IMO) is going very well, but it sure would do better with divine intervention. Quote: But God strongly wishes to return all people to HIS RESURRECTED HOLY LANGUAGE. How do you know?

14th April 2008, 04:14 AM	#14
devnull Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 6,057	Originally Posted by Complexity Nationalcosmopolitan - Your god does not exist, but if it did, I would reject it as being unworthy. Your beliefs are ridiculous. From now on, Complexity speaks on my behalf.
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14th April 2008, 04:49 AM	#15
bokonon Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,438	Originally Posted by Nationalcosmopolitan But God strongly wishes to return all people to HIS RESURRECTED HOLY LANGUAGE. Well, then, all he has to do is un-Babel humanity. I'm sure as life not going to waste my time studying a language I have no use for to help his imaginary omnipotence clean up the mistake his own fairy tale claims he made. If I wake up tomorrow and find all the books on my bookshelf mysteriously translated into Hebrew, and even more mysteriously find that I UNDERSTAND Hebrew and can't recall a word of English, I'll call in sick and head to church with all the rest of the new converts to sing whatever the Hebrew equivalent of "Hosanna" is, at least until lunchtime. I'm not holding my breath, and you might as well save yours for your imaginary sky daddy. If he broke it, I'm not buying it.
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14th April 2008, 05:17 AM	#16
wollery Protected by Samurai Hedgehogs! Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 11,252	Okay, to be serious for a minute. Hebrew is not the language of the bible. The languages of the bible are Aramaic (later transcribed into Hebrew in the Torah and Old Testament), Greek (The language the gospels were written in) and Latin. Hebrew is alive and well, and has remained so in every Synagogue in the world, so there's no need or reason to resurrect it.
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14th April 2008, 05:44 AM	#17
fuelair Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58,581	What a large load of fecality the OP is!!!
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14th April 2008, 06:53 AM	#18
TriangleMan Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Qatar Posts: 1,526	Originally Posted by Nationalcosmopolitan Koran and Torah language are God Holy ones. But Arabic did not go throw died and resurrection. I am absolutely sure that Muhammad and Jesus and Moshe are celebrate together the first Holy Language and Israel State resurrection as the beginning of post monolingual global world. Are you using translation software? I'm only asking because this makes almost no sense.

14th April 2008, 07:05 AM	#19
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,704	I thought the only true universal language was Visual Basic... Or maybe C in a pinch.
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14th April 2008, 07:09 AM	#20
Bikewer Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: St. Louis, Mo. Posts: 13,224	Just remember, the language of the Great Old Ones was "not meant to be uttered by human tongues..."

14th April 2008, 07:10 AM	#21
drkitten Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 21,629	Originally Posted by wollery Hebrew is alive and well, and has remained so in every Synagogue in the world, so there's no need or reason to resurrect it. Actually, bat(rule10) crazy as the opening poster is, he got one thing right. Hebrew has been "resurrected" since the 1950s. The term "dead language" has a specific meaning in linguistics; it's a language for which no 'native speakers," meaning people who learned the language as infants, exist. Latin, for example, although fairly widely studied, is a dead language -- mothers don't speak it to their babies and children don't babble it to their fellows in preschool. Ancient Greek is similarly dead, and so are many other languages known to specialists (Cornish, &c). From about 100CE to 1950CE, Hebrew was on that list, too. Hebrew was a learned language of the synagogue but children didn't babble it to their parents. With the foundation of Israel, Jews started using a modernized version of the language, and most importantly, started speaking it to their children; as a result, there is a living, vibrant culture of native Hebrew speakers today.

14th April 2008, 08:31 AM	#22
boojum Thinker Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 210	Originally Posted by Zep I thought the only true universal language was Visual Basic... Or maybe C in a pinch. Please. You must mean LISP. When we finally meet aliens, we'll find them programming is some dialect of LISP! .
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14th April 2008, 09:09 AM	#23
madurobob Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Blue Heaven Posts: 7,401	Originally Posted by TriangleMan Are you using translation software? I'm only asking because this makes almost no sense. The choice of words and overall message makes it sound like the same translator Dr Bronner used for his soap labels. Although, the OP could use a few more hyphens and exclamation marks. If I understand the OP, we should all maintain our individual language and culture, but have a common language to facilitate cross-cultural communication. Yeah, we're getting pretty close, thanks Mr Internet. Just please leave out all the religious mumbo jumbo.
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14th April 2008, 09:53 AM	#24
I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 19,258	Originally Posted by TriangleMan Are you using translation software? I'm only asking because this makes almost no sense. . "almost" is out of place.

14th April 2008, 09:54 AM	#25
I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 19,258	Originally Posted by Bikewer Just remember, the language of the Great Old Ones was "not meant to be uttered by human tongues..." But with the right font, and if you don't mouth the words as you read them....?

14th April 2008, 11:44 AM	#26
drkitten Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 21,629	Originally Posted by madurobob If I understand the OP, we should all maintain our individual language and culture, but have a common language to facilitate cross-cultural communication. And that common language should be Hebrew. I can agree with #1 and #2,... but I think #3 is silly. English and Mandarin Chinese both have hundreds of times more speakers, and English is also well-suppored technologically (unlike Chinese, which has a real problem in its tens of thousands of characters). I can't really take any other language's claim to be a better universal language seriously.

14th April 2008, 12:41 PM	#27
six7s veretic Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 8,716	Groundbreaking New Scientific Theories ...a contest for "theories"... Quote: <snip/> First Runner Up If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of pickup trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite number of highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's great literary works in Braille. <snip/> Third Runnner Up Communist China is technologically underdeveloped because they have no alphabet and therefore cannot use acronyms to communicate ideas at a faster rate. <snip/> Honourable Mention The quantity of consonants in the English language is constant. If omitted in one place, they turn up in another. When a Bostonian "pahks" his "cah," the lost r's migrate southwest, causing a Texan to "warsh" his car and invest in "erl wells."
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14th April 2008, 01:04 PM	#28
Hokulele Deleterious Slab of Damnation Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The Biggest Little City in the World Posts: 29,577	Originally Posted by Nationalcosmopolitan In a history there were many “imperil” languages that tried to be common. For because all of them, including English (the last candidate to become common) had a great danger – world monolingualisation they can’t be the common languages of Global Bilingual Future God believers World. Why not? Quote: Only Hebrew – the language of Bible recreated magically after 2700 years of death can and have to be this common language of national – Resurrected Hebrew bilingual Global world. Why? Quote: I do not want to make any limits to modern expansion of English. But God strongly wishes to return all people to HIS RESURRECTED HOLY LANGUAGE. As Jackalgirl noted, how do you know this? Quote: Koran and Torah language are God Holy ones. But Arabic did not go throw died and resurrection. I am absolutely sure that Muhammad and Jesus and Moshe are celebrate together the first Holy Language and Israel State resurrection as the beginning of post monolingual global world. Mohammed, maybe. His followers, not so much.
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14th April 2008, 01:54 PM	#29
Jackalgirl Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,801	Originally Posted by drkitten Actually, bat(rule10) crazy as the opening poster is, he got one thing right. Hebrew has been "resurrected" since the 1950s. The term "dead language" has a specific meaning in linguistics; it's a language for which no 'native speakers," meaning people who learned the language as infants, exist. Latin, for example, although fairly widely studied, is a dead language -- mothers don't speak it to their babies and children don't babble it to their fellows in preschool. Ancient Greek is similarly dead, and so are many other languages known to specialists (Cornish, &c). From about 100CE to 1950CE, Hebrew was on that list, too. Hebrew was a learned language of the synagogue but children didn't babble it to their parents. With the foundation of Israel, Jews started using a modernized version of the language, and most importantly, started speaking it to their children; as a result, there is a living, vibrant culture of native Hebrew speakers today. Aha! I stand corrected. I think I understand what the OP is saying (well, in that regard at least). Thanks!

14th April 2008, 01:58 PM	#30
bokonon Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,438	Originally Posted by TriangleMan Are you using translation software? Unlikely. Translation software would know that "reach" is not spelled "R-I-C-H."
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14th April 2008, 04:34 PM	#31
Complexity Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 9,242	Originally Posted by devnull From now on, Complexity speaks on my behalf. Happy bit bucket to ya! You're free to disengage as needed, but I'll enjoy your company. You've joined a very interesting equivalence class : Dawkins, articulett, myself, and yourself, in order of discovered membership. I've decided I need to start some threads - it has been a long time. First will be on victory and mental illness. Second will be on We are Dad, some truly good people, some truly nasty people, and a case study on what a destructive force religion can be.
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14th April 2008, 04:37 PM	#32
Complexity Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 9,242	Originally Posted by I Ratant . "almost" is out of place. You monster! I just spent far too long trying to get a little bug off of my screen. (It's in his avatar.)
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14th April 2008, 05:45 PM	#33
wollery Protected by Samurai Hedgehogs! Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 11,252	Originally Posted by drkitten Actually, bat(rule10) crazy as the opening poster is, he got one thing right. Hebrew has been "resurrected" since the 1950s. The term "dead language" has a specific meaning in linguistics; it's a language for which no 'native speakers," meaning people who learned the language as infants, exist. Latin, for example, although fairly widely studied, is a dead language -- mothers don't speak it to their babies and children don't babble it to their fellows in preschool. Ancient Greek is similarly dead, and so are many other languages known to specialists (Cornish, &c). From about 100CE to 1950CE, Hebrew was on that list, too. Hebrew was a learned language of the synagogue but children didn't babble it to their parents. With the foundation of Israel, Jews started using a modernized version of the language, and most importantly, started speaking it to their children; as a result, there is a living, vibrant culture of native Hebrew speakers today. Fair point.
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14th April 2008, 06:19 PM	#34
articulett Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 15,404	Originally Posted by fuelair What a large load of fecality the OP is!!! You know, if you spell OP backwards and then forwards it's an anagram for fecality.... (insert Twlight Zone Music)
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14th April 2008, 06:26 PM	#35
articulett Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 15,404	Originally Posted by Complexity Happy bit bucket to ya! You're free to disengage as needed, but I'll enjoy your company. You've joined a very interesting equivalence class : Dawkins, articulett, myself, and yourself, in order of discovered membership. I've decided I need to start some threads - it has been a long time. First will be on victory and mental illness. Second will be on We are Dad, some truly good people, some truly nasty people, and a case study on what a destructive force religion can be. Yep... count me amongst the few and proud-- the militant and strident even. Daring to resurrect language from an old thread... in honor of Lord Language Resurrection, I'd like to quote Kathy Griffin, when I say "suck it, Jesus".
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14th April 2008, 07:24 PM	#37
articulett Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 15,404	Originally Posted by I Ratant . Perception is everything! It's evil. It's wrong. I can't wait to use it on someone.
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