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Old 8th October 2018, 01:27 PM   #521
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Originally Posted by Nessie View Post
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-45739335

"It was shortly after 05:00 when three West Milwaukee police officers broke into the home of 22-year-old Adam Trammell to find him naked and bewildered, standing in his bathtub as water from the shower ran down his body.

Adam, who had been diagnosed with schizophrenia, was having some form of breakdown. A neighbour had called 911 to report that she had seen him naked in the corridor, talking about the devil...

The officers then fired their Tasers at him 15 times, administering long, painful electric shocks as he screamed and writhed in the bathtub.

Then more officers arrived, and after dragging him, still naked, from his apartment, they held him down and he was injected with sedatives - midazolam at first, and then ketamine.
Moments later, Adam stopped breathing. He was taken to hospital and pronounced dead soon after arrival. The date was 25 May 2017."

"Already in 2018, across the US, at least 136 people with a disability are known to have been killed by police officers, according to a database maintained by the Washington Post and analysis of local media reports."

And on it continues with no signs of abatement.
Naked in the bath - FFS.
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Old 8th October 2018, 02:09 PM   #522
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
Naked in the bath - FFS.
Naked in the bath, TASERed 15 times.
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Old 8th October 2018, 07:47 PM   #523
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
Naked in the bath - FFS.
Sadly I think it's a result of their training. They are trained to approach a situation is a certain way and if the person doesn't respond in an appropriate manner then they are taught to escalate it to the next stage so as to get the person to respond to them. When they encounter someone that is unable to respond in the manner they want, there seems to be no ability to back off, re-evaluate and bring in someone that is qualified to deal with a person with that type of behavioural issue, and so instead they keep escalating it until physical force is employed.

There needs to be a change in their training where unless the person is an imminent threat to themselves or another, that they back off, secure the scene and call in disability specialists who can take over and who have the training in how to handle someone that has these kinds of issues.

It's incredibly sad, but it's the result of giving someone a hammer and telling them to hit in nails, then demanding that they deal with a screw.
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Old 9th October 2018, 02:13 AM   #524
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It disturbs me as much as the instructions shouted to the youth in the LA hotel corridor, that he did not get quite right and was shot dead because of it.

Obey a police officers shouted instructions when very stressed or die. A loaded game of Russian roulette Simon Says.
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Old 9th October 2018, 04:40 AM   #525
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I went to a very interesting and though-provoking talk by David Baker on the topic of deaths after police contact. The talk was mainly about the UK, but he has also studied the subject in the US (see his book).

One of the problems is that there is never any proper investigation of such deaths (they are not treated the same way as a homicide not involving the police would be, the scene is not treated as a crime scene, evidence is not gathered, police involved are (or were, until recently) allowed to collude on their statements, etc.), and so no data is available to provide evidence for any change in how situations should be dealt with.

It's also not always a simple matter; mental health issues are frequently a factor, and the police are often called in after something has escalated to a public order offence, when it could have been dealt with earlier as a health issue if the right resources had been available. If the police don't know there is a history of mental health issues, they may only be aware of an apparently violent person who could be high on drugs.

I'm not for a moment excusing the actions in this particular example, but it's not always a simple case of police brutality that is the cause; that may often be a factor, but it's not the full story.
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Old 10th October 2018, 10:08 AM   #526
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Tennessee cop, assigned to security detail for Democrat gubernatorial candidate, leaks to Republican opposition that candidate went to a “Muslim event,” thinking its a scandal. The event? A meet and greet at a falafel restaurant.

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After learning about a Dean stop the Lee campaign understood to be part of a “Muslim event,” according to Tennessee Highway Patrol memos obtained by the USA TODAY NETWORK - Tennessee, the Lee campaign reportedly asked another trooper whether his staff could obtain a photo of Dean in a mosque.

The Sept. 7 event in question was a meet and greet at a falafel restaurant in Knoxville, and not a religious gathering.
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Old 10th October 2018, 04:15 PM   #527
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
Tennessee cop, assigned to security detail for Democrat gubernatorial candidate, leaks to Republican opposition that candidate went to a “Muslim event,” thinking its a scandal. The event? A meet and greet at a falafel restaurant.

Obviously it had to be a Muslim event, because no Real Tennessean™ would ever eat anything deep-fried in batter.

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Old 10th October 2018, 04:54 PM   #528
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
Obviously it had to be a Muslim event, because no Real Tennessean™ would ever eat anything deep-fried in batter.

Just to be pedantic, falafels are not cooked in batter.
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Old 11th October 2018, 06:47 AM   #529
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Originally Posted by fagin View Post
Just to be pedantic, falafels are not cooked in batter.

Do you think a Real Tennessean™ would care about the distinction, or be able to make it?
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