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Old 10th October 2018, 04:25 PM   #4321
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What a NooB...
11 October 2018: Insults and lies to derail from his electric comet insanity.

jonesdave116 wrote a rational post stating a "No rock" detected fact about comets.
Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
Complete nonsense. No rock. Anywhere. Not detected. Would have been. Game over. Goodnight.

p.s. Data doesn't evolve. It is what it is. All those measurements and observations since the impact at Tempel 1, 13 years ago, in conjunction with the results from CONSERT, MIRO, MUPUS, CASSE/ SESAME and others, totally rule out rock. Show us the observation of rock. Scientifically.
The reply is insults and lies about the contents of jonesdave116's post with "Old_C_Code 3 / 5 (10)Aug 20, 2018" quote from somewhere.

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Old 10th October 2018, 04:53 PM   #4322
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....I think I see your problem.
11 October 2018: We see his problem is idiotically quoting comments on an irrelevant article to derail from his electric comet insanity.

Magnetized inflow accreting to center of Milky Way galaxy is not about comets !

The comments have (N.B. The "RealityCheck" there is not me):
Some idiocy about the Sun, etc. from what look like some electric universe cultists. cantdrive85 seems to start the "solar wind is an electric current" stupidity and is equally stupid about the Debye length.

Old_C_Code jumps in with an abysmally ignorant comment: "Current is "how many" free electrons pass at point in time. To say the solar wind isn't a current is silly."

This is an electric current. Throwing a metal block containing free electrons and protons is not an electric current. A metallic asteroid in an orbit with free electrons and protons is not an electric current. The neutral solar wind where there is a proton for each free electron is not an electric current.

A "jonesdave" (maybe our jonesdave116) called Old_C_Code an idiot because the solar wind is obviously not an electric current. The neutral solar wind is only a current in the same sense that a river is a current - a movement of mass.

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Old 10th October 2018, 05:48 PM   #4323
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Old 10th October 2018, 06:29 PM   #4324
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This is also an electric current!

and these are also electric currents: Electric currents along astrophysical jets
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Old 10th October 2018, 07:48 PM   #4325
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11 October 2018: Yet another insult and abysmal ignorance to derail from his electric comet insanity.

He is ignorant about what an electric current is !
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This is also an electric current!

and these are also electric currents: Electric currents along astrophysical jets
11 October 2018: Stupid examples of real electric currents to derail from his electric comet insanity.

A Birkeland current is not the stupidity he agreed with of a flow of electrons and protons (the solar wind).

Electric currents along astrophysical jets (PDF)
Astrophysical jets having electric currents is not the stupidity he agreed with of a flow of electrons and protons (the solar wind).

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity

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Old 11th October 2018, 01:44 AM   #4327
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Did you happen to talk to the kiddies the other day about plasma, the fundamentalsal state of matter and it’s importance to comets, specifically 67P?

Or did you have them on “farting” comets?
well at least my grammar was correct
and kids-n-farts always a good combination
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Old 11th October 2018, 01:45 AM   #4328
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Plasma environment of an intermediately active comet Evolution and dynamics observed by ESA's Rosetta spacecraft at 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko

ELIAS ODELSTAD

Read it yet champ?
a whole phd thesis of it
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Old 11th October 2018, 04:02 AM   #4329
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Ha ha ha ha

What a NooB



I think I see your problem.

No use arguing with the faithful.

Once upon a time long long long time ago there was nothing...
So why don't you tell us? What is the net charge of the solar wind? Please explain what is wrong with the statement I made to the ignoramus OCC? Or are you going to chicken out, as usual, with an irrelevant Gish gallop of meaningless word salad?
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Old 11th October 2018, 04:07 AM   #4330
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Awesome well done. Always good to see the mainstream evolving toward stage three.

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Old 11th October 2018, 04:10 AM   #4331
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a whole phd thesis of it
Mmmmm.....MHD.....mmmm


Maybe comet farts are a safer bet.
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So why don't you tell us? What is the net charge of the solar wind? Please explain what is wrong with the statement I made to the ignoramus OCC? Or are you going to chicken out, as usual, with an irrelevant Gish gallop of meaningless word salad?
Ummmm... this little comet is quite successfully causing a significant charge SEPERATION of the quasi-neutral “solar wind”.

Please see the man with the PhD.
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So why don't you tell us? What is the net charge of the solar wind? Please explain what is wrong with the statement I made to the ignoramus OCC? Or are you going to chicken out, as usual, with an irrelevant Gish gallop of meaningless word salad?
Ooh ooh ooh, I know.

Let’s send a probe to Sol. See what we we see, ay.

How where you proposing to be able to measure the potential difference between the heliopause and the corona?
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Ooh ooh ooh, I know.

Let’s send a probe to Sol. See what we we see, ay.

How where you proposing to be able to measure the potential difference between the heliopause and the corona?
Errr, we measure the current between the corona and the heliopause, with any number of spacecraft capable of doing so, at various distances from the Sun. Result? Net charge = 0.

A little thought experiment for those who may be hard of thinking; if the solar wind carried a net charge, what would happen to the Sun?
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Awesome well done. Always good to see the mainstream evolving toward stage three.
Nope. Not a single proposal of the idiotic EC 'model' has been accepted by real science. It is still an evidence-free zone.
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Mmmmm.....MHD.....mmmm
you must have misread, i said phd, not mhd, the phd thesis of elias odelstad, the guy you mentioned above
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Old 11th October 2018, 10:25 AM   #4337
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Awesome well done. Always good to see the mainstream evolving toward stage three.
Some things remain forever at stage 1 (or perhaps never even get there):

“All dogs are oak trees”

“All viruses are gods”

“All comets are solid rocks”

“All pinks smell of mushrooms”

“All socks taste like comets”

“Wal Thornhill has 27 Nobel Prizes”

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Old 11th October 2018, 10:26 AM   #4338
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This is also an electric current!

and these are also electric currents: Electric currents along astrophysical jets
And this post, like soooooo many of yours, Sol88, is relevant to the ELECTRIC COMET model, how, exactly?
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you must have misread, i said phd, not mhd, the phd thesis of elias odelstad, the guy you mentioned above
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Such work is ongoing, within both the LAP and ICA teams, primarily by means of PIC simulations using the Spacecraft Plasma Interaction System (SPIS)), and will hopefully contribute to a better understanding of the measurements and the ion environment in the inner coma in a not too distant future.
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Further modeling is required, and to some extent ongoing, to better understand the electron kinetics in the inner coma. PIC simulations have been performed (Deca et al., 2017), but will have a hard time including the entire inner coma region (up to and beyond the diamagnetic cavity boundary) for the foreseeable future. Perhaps kinetic electron transport code developed e.g. for Titan (Galand et al., 1999) can be adapted to the environment of 67P to provide some insight.
Nice summaries Elias has in his papers.

Oh dear, Simple MHD can no longer be used at comets. How far down the tail again did the cometary protons and solar wind electron neutralise each other again tusenfem?

Truth passes thru three stages...

Not saying Elias will discover DOUBLE LAYERS being responsible for a swag of plasma phenomena at comets but PLASMA DOUBLE LAYERS are a fair bet!

I call DOUBLE LAYERS will be found and play a SIGNIFICANT part in the going ons at a comet!

JETS spring to mind...how we going with finding that mysterious sub-surface energy that Jessica was looking for to prop up the sublimation story?
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Prediction DOUBLE LAYERS
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Not saying Elias will discover DOUBLE LAYERS ...
12 October 2018: Usual double layer delusion as in his electric comet insanity.

Made doubly deluded with idiotic quotes from Plasma environment of an intermediately active comet Evolution and dynamics observed by ESA's Rosetta spacecraft at 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko (PDF) abut PIC simulations.

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity

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Truth passes thru three stages...
12 October 2018: Insanity of "Truth passes thru three stages" when he has only lies and delusions.

https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/a...enhauer_103608
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There has to be truth to start with and we have Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity
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JETS spring to mind...how we going with finding that mysterious sub-surface energy that Jessica was looking for to prop up the sublimation story?
12 October 2018: Usual idiotic question and lie about jets to derail from his electric comet insanity.

Usual pathetic attempt at the fallacy of false dichotomy that we have seen countless time over the years. This is the insanity that stupidity about working science being wrong makes his comet delusions and lies correct. His electric comet insanity would still be insane if we only had measurements of the density of comets and everything else was unsupported.

A lie of "mysterious sub-surface energy".
A lie of "Jessica was looking for".
A lie of "to prop up the sublimation story".
For example: Primordial dry ice fuels comet jets (2010)
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"Previously it was thought that water vapor from water ice was the propulsive force behind jets of material coming off of the body, or nucleus, of the comet," said University of Maryland Astronomy Professor Jessica Sunshine, who is deputy principal investigator for the EPOXI mission. "We now have unambiguous evidence that solar heating of subsurface frozen carbon dioxide (dry ice), directly to a gas, a process known as sublimation, is powering the many jets of material coming from the comet. This is a finding that only could have been made by traveling to a comet, because ground based telescopes can't detect CO2 and current space telescopes aren't tuned to look for this gas," Sunshine said.

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity
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Old 11th October 2018, 02:25 PM   #4344
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Prediction DOUBLE LAYERS

Prediction: FIG NEWTONS

Weeeeh! Science is fun! More seriously, since all of your posts, stripped of misrepresentations, amount to bare assertions, brevity like the above is sure to be appreciated by all.
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12 October 2018: Usual idiotic question and lie about jets to derail from his electric comet insanity.

Usual pathetic attempt at the fallacy of false dichotomy that we have seen countless time over the years. This is the insanity that stupidity about working science being wrong makes his comet delusions and lies correct. His electric comet insanity would still be insane if we only had measurements of the density of comets and everything else was unsupported.

A lie of "mysterious sub-surface energy".
A lie of "Jessica was looking for".
A lie of "to prop up the sublimation story".
For example: Primordial dry ice fuels comet jets (2010)
Wonder what the density of this mostly rocky terrain at 67P may have rc?

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The CONSERT experiment does not conrm the increase of bulk density close to the nucleus surface (Kofman et al. 2015). There is still no consensus on the fact that layers are structures continuing in the nucleus interior up to depths of some hundreds metres (Thomas et al. 2015a). Dust transfer from the southern to the northern hemi-nucleus builds-up layers by itself (Thomas et al. 2015b). No layers are seen in the walls of the sinkhole collapse pits on the nucleus surface (Vincent et al. 2015). Observations of boulder collapse at the layer edges do not conrm any increase of tensile strength in the layers (Groussin et al. 2015a). The unexpected high compressive strength >4MPaobservedin the nal Philae landing spot by MUPUS (Spohn et al. 2015) suggests sintering of organic dust due to the thermal processing by solar heating (Biele et al. 2015), and is not considered primitive
Unexpected and significant findings in comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko: an interdisciplinary view doi:10.1093/mnras/stw1663

Marco Fulle,1‹ N. Altobelli,2 B. Buratti,3 M. Choukroun,3 M. Fulchignoni,4 E. Gr¨un,5 M. G. G. T. Taylor6‹ and P. Weissman

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At the simplest level, a very basic question is whether comets are mostly ice or mostly rock/dirt/refractory material.
M A’Hearn









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Sol88's electric comet insanity:

See how we go ay?
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Wonder what the density of this mostly rocky terrain at 67P may have rc?
12 October 2018: An insane "rocky terrain" question to derail from his electric comet insanity

This is 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko. There are no rocks.

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity
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Old 11th October 2018, 04:00 PM   #4347
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M A’Hearn
12 October 2018: Persists with insulting M A’Hearn as being insane enough to write comets are actual rock.

4 August 2017 Sol88: Repeats his lie of a Michael F. A’Hearn quote stating that comets are rocks.
4 August 2017 Sol88: The "stupid thing" is repeating a lie again about a A’Hearn quote being about your delusions that comets are rock.
6 July 2017 Sol88: An implied lie about a "mostly rock" quote meaning that comets are rocks.
6 July 2017 Sol88: Makes an implied lie into an explicit lie. Michael F. A’Hearn never stated that comets are rocks as in your delusion
3 October 2018: Lies about and insults of Michael F. A’Hearn again to derail from his electric comet insanity.
3 October 2018: Accuses a dead astronomer of being insane enough to think that comets are rock again
8 October 2018: Usual lying question to derail from his electric comet insanity (A’Hearn quote).

That is part of Sol88's electric comet insanity, not any person who knows about comets:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity

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Old 11th October 2018, 04:06 PM   #4348
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Thumbs down stupidity of citing and quoting from an ices and dust comet paper on 67P

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Unexpected and significant findings in comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko: an interdisciplinary view doi:10.1093/mnras/stw1663
12 October 2018: Usual stupidity of citing and quoting from an ices and dust comet paper on 67P.

Unexpected and significant findings in comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko: an interdisciplinary view
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ESA's Rosetta Mission has followed Comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko from 3.6 au inbound to 3.6 au outbound. Many results are largely unexpected, as compared to previous models based on in situ and ground-based observations of Jupiter-family comets. The main topics discussed in this review are (1) the importance of the large concavities characterizing the 67P nucleus, that, (2) coupled to the nucleus obliquity, make seasons an unexpectedly important source of many phenomena observed in this and probably in most comets; (3) the mostly uniform distribution of ices over the nucleus surface; (4) the high dust-to-water mass ratio, which implies that much of the nucleus mass is in the form of minerals partly coming from the inner proto-solar nebula, thus making 67P very porous and less hydrated than primitive CI chondrites. 67P nucleus may have never experienced any collision at speeds larger than 1 m s−1.

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Old 11th October 2018, 04:15 PM   #4349
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More than 1060 items of ignorance, idiocy (citing irrelevant mainstream papers), delusion, insults, and lies from 6 July 2009 to 27 July 2018

Another spate of ~258 items of ignorance, idiocy (citing irrelevant mainstream papers), delusion, derails, insults, and lies from 27 July 2018 to 10 October 2018

Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity


18 November 2010: The lies, failures and successes of Thunderbolts Deep Impact predictions by Wal Thornhill
10th April 2015: The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site, videos, etc.
13 April 2018: A couple of the delusions in Scott's Birkeland current paper.

The electric comet delusion has at least 45 years without a scientific electric comet model or observations to support it!

Over 3 years of the fear of doing basic physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor.

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Old 12th October 2018, 03:57 AM   #4350
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Wonder what the density of this mostly rocky terrain at 67P may have rc?
Not rock, and not particularly dense. MUPUS and MIRO both measured the thermal inertia of the surface and near-surface. As expected, the results are miles away from being consistent with rock.

Thermal and mechanical properties of the near-surface layers of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko
Spohn, T. et al.
http://science.sciencemag.org/conten...ab0464/tab-pdf

Subsurface properties and early activity of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko
Gulkis, S. et al.
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/347/6220/aaa0709
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Old 14th October 2018, 06:29 AM   #4351
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Wonder what the density of this mostly rocky terrain at 67P may have rc?

Unexpected and significant findings in comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko: an interdisciplinary view doi:10.1093/mnras/stw1663

Marco Fulle,1‹ N. Altobelli,2 B. Buratti,3 M. Choukroun,3 M. Fulchignoni,4 E. Gr¨un,5 M. G. G. T. Taylor6‹ and P. Weissman
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At the simplest level, a very basic question is whether comets are mostly ice or mostly rock/dirt/refractory material.
M A’Hearn


See how we go ay?
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You just told me that comets are solid rock.

Based off the above quoted post, either this comet is not solid rock or your belief is wrong.
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Old 14th October 2018, 11:49 AM   #4352
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Originally Posted by Little 10 Toes View Post
[highlights added]

You just told me that comets are solid rock.

Based off the above quoted post, either this comet is not solid rock or your belief is wrong.

Well are they mostly ice or mostly refractory material?

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The lack of progress into the subsurface can be interpreted as being caused by a near-surface layer of a strength the PEN was not capable of penetrating.
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Both thethermal inertia and the strength on the surface of 67P are larger than commonly thought.
Thermal and mechanical properties of the near-surface layers of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko
Spohn, T. et al.

http://science.sciencemag.org/conten...ab0464/tab-pdf

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At the simplest level, a very basic question is whether comets are mostly ice or mostly rock/dirt/refractory material. Whipple’s [2] model of the dirty snowball, the rst quantitative model, envisioned cometary nuclei as mostly ice, although our understanding has been evolving more toward mostly rock, particularly for 67P/C-G for which refractory/volatile ratios as high as 6 have been cited [3,4]
Comets: looking ahead Michael F. A’Hearn

And your point is Ltt?
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Basically that leaves the mainstream with the deep fried ice cream model!’
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Old 14th October 2018, 12:25 PM   #4354
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Basically that leaves the mainstream with the deep fried ice cream model!’
Question; what is the thermal inertia of typical rocks? What was measured by MUPUS? What was measured by MIRO? What was measured by MIRO at the asteroid Steins?
Stop cherry picking. It is nowhere near rock.
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Old 14th October 2018, 01:30 PM   #4355
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Thumbs down Usual lies abut mainstream cometary science to derail from electric comet insanity

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...And your point is Ltt?
15 October 2018: Usual lies abut mainstream cometary science to derail from his electric comet insanity
There is only ices and duct in in his citations because astronomers are not insane enough to think that comets are actual rock.

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity
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Old 14th October 2018, 01:41 PM   #4356
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Thumbs down A "deep fried ice cream model" lie to derail from his electric comet insanity

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Basically that leaves the mainstream with the deep fried ice cream model!
15 October 2018: A "Basically that leaves the mainstream deep fried ice cream model" lie to derail from his electric comet insanity.

Why Comets Are Like Deep Fried Ice Cream
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Astronomers tinkering with ice and organics in the lab may have discovered why comets are encased in a hard, outer crust.

Using an icebox-like instrument nicknamed Himalaya, the researchers show that fluffy ice on the surface of a comet would crystalize and harden as the comet heads toward the sun and warms up. As the water-ice crystals form, becoming denser and more ordered, other molecules containing carbon would be expelled to the comet's surface. The result is a crunchy comet crust sprinkled with organic dust.

"A comet is like deep fried ice cream," said Murthy Gudipati of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, corresponding author of a recent study appearing in The Journal of Physical Chemistry. "The crust is made of crystalline ice, while the interior is colder and more porous. The organics are like a final layer of chocolate on top."
The surface of comets in the model have been denser than the bulk density for about 68 years because sublimating surface ices outgas, pushing some dust out but increasing density overall. That research is an experiment confirming what astronomers have thought for about 68 years.

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity

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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
Question; what is the thermal inertia of typical rocks? What was measured by MUPUS? What was measured by MIRO? What was measured by MIRO at the asteroid Steins?
Stop cherry picking. It is nowhere near rock.
Like a said YOU have the deep fried ice cream model!

How good is this dust at insulating the “ices” from sublimating?



Like A’Hearn said EVOLVING toward MOSTLY ROCK...not mostly ice.

So....
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15 October 2018: A "Basically that leaves the mainstream deep fried ice cream model" lie to derail from his electric comet insanity.

Why Comets Are Like Deep Fried Ice Cream

The surface of comets in the model have been denser than the bulk density for about 68 years because sublimating surface ices outgas, pushing some dust out but increasing density overall. That research is an experiment confirming what astronomers have thought for about 68 years.

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity
Awesome sport, how long before they realise comets are mostly rock and most probably homogeneous?

Nuther 68 years??

Anyway your now evolving toward mostly rock! YOUR problem now is the bulk density.
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Sorry rc didn’t read the deep fried ice cream model too well, it’s CRYSTALLINE ICE on top NOT refractory material... my bad.

Carry on.
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Awesome sport, how long before they realise comets are mostly rock and most probably homogeneous?
15 October 2018: Usual deluded question to derail from his electric comet insanity.

68 years of the measured density of comets being < water alone says that his electric comet insanity will remain insane forever.

Comets being "most probably homogeneous" is yet another probable debunking of his electric comet insanity. A rock covered in dust with little or not ice will have a less dense surface. The "deep fried ice cream" evidence is that the surface is more dense !

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity
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