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18 September 2017 Sol88: A lie of "The 'dirtysnowball' is dead" followed by the idiocy of his ignorant delusions about comets are a model!
What he quotes is, does not cite and lies about is Unexpected and significant findings in comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko: an interdisciplinary view
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18 September 2017 Sol88: A lie that Whipple's 1950 model is the only mainstream model.
Of the last 70 years models of comet with various amounts of ices and dust have been used. That is what the paper he quoted is taking about ![]() 18 September 2017 Sol88: A lie of "The 'dirtysnowball' is dead" followed by the idiocy of his ignorant delusions about comets are a model! 18 September 2017 Sol88: A lie that Whipple's 1950 model is wrong - it is applicable to comets that are more ice than dust as in the 1950's observsions. |
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18 September 2017 Sol88: The idiocy of not knowing the meaning of surface and bulk is his problem, not the mainstreams.
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18 September 2017 Sol88: Unsourced quotes that he lies about.
For others: The mainstream has centuries of observations of comets especially in the last 100 years and in the just completed Rosetta mission to Comet 67P. These have shown that comets are made of ices and dust and originate in the outer solar system (1000's of AU away for long period comets). The only way that they could have formed is along with the rest of the Solar System. This is a body of evidence that makes the origin of comets not FACT but enormously supported. |
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Does the current mainstream model have a name? Perhaps that's the problem: the old model has a pithy name while the current model is nameless.
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19 September 2017 Sol88: A lie by quoting tusenfem debunking another lie.
That was Sol88's lie of "The 'dirtysnowball' is dead" and the implication his ignorant delusions could replace evidence-based science. There is no such thing as 'dirtysnowball'. Whipple's model is described as the "dirty snowball" model. That is the widely used (if out of date) name for the model. That is what I wrote: it is still the "dirty snowball" (note the quotes) or Whipple's model. The comet model is alive and well today. The comet model has been modified to be wider in scope from comets composed mostly of ices + some dust to comets composed mostly of dust + some ices because we have evidence from that the dust component of at least 2 comets (Tempel 1 and 67P) is higher then was thought 70 years ago. ETA: This looks like his previous idiocy that changing the description ("dirty snowball"/"icy dirt ball"/"deep fried ice cream") of a model makes it invalid. It does not matter what we call the mainstream model of comets. The model is based on real world, empirical evidence that comets are made of ices and dust, originate from the outer Solar System, are made of materials from the early Solar System, includes interstellar dust grains, etc. |
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19 September 2017 Sol88: Lies about the mainstream model looking like mostly rock with some dust and negligible 'ice'.
This is a comet. Comet 67P is at least 1/6th ices and the rest is dust with no rock at all found. ETA: For others (and in no way supporting the idiotic delusion that comets are rocks), there is evidence that comets contain small amounts of "pebbles" or "stones" and even "boulders" - meteor showers
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Hey Ho. Sol's off again. Totally forgetting to mention that the idiot Thornhill came up with an impossible way of creating water at a comet. Or anywhere else. Do the maths. Look at the energetics involved. Lol. Only an idiot could have come up with such rubbish, eh?
Dear me; why do you idiots follow this burke? An explanation would be good. Given that he is essentially brain dead re any ACTUAL science. Strewth. Please explain. If it is not already clear; Thornhill & Talbott are cranks. With zero scientific knowledge. They are nutjobs. Anybody that wants to prove otherwise, please join in. Lol. |
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According to the electric comet delusion, main belt comets should not exist but now we have another!
Hubble Spots Unique Object in the Main Asteroid Belt
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Hubble Spots Farthest-Ever Incoming Active Comet Dirtysnowball? Falsified AGAIN! DUSTY PLASMA EFFECTS IN COMETS: EXPECTATIONS FOR ROSETTA D.A. Mendis1 and M. Horányi2 |
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2 October 2017 Sol88: A lie that the mainstream model is falsified
![]() This another rather pathetic derail from the topic of the thread - his delusions about comets. Hubble Spots Farthest-Ever Incoming Active Comet This is about a new Comet C/2017 K2. Easily explained by the comet being new to the inner system and so having more volatile materials. That is what a "dirty snowball" does! 2 October 2017 Sol88: The idiocy of citing a comet originating from the Oort cloud, not the Earth as in his delusions about comets. 2 October 2017 Sol88: A delusion that Comet C/2017 K2 is Comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko (the target of Rosetta and the subject of the paper he does not cite!) |
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How's the dust being released from the Comet K2, reality Check?
Is near-surface ice the driver of dust activity on 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko Yu. V. Skorov1, L. Rezac1, P. Hartogh1 and H. U. Keller2
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3 October 2017 Sol88: A stupid question derailing from his delusions about comets.
It is stupid because he has had 8 years to learn about the working mainstream model of comets ![]() 3 October 2017 Sol88: The idiocy of citing a near-surface ice paper about ice and dust comets. 3 October 2017 Sol88: Lies about a near-surface ice paper about ice and dust comets. Is near-surface ice the driver of dust activity on 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko by Yu. V. Skorov, L. Rezac1, P. Hartogh1 and H. U. Keller does not rule out every possible mechanism for forming a dust coma for every possible comet.
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3 October 2017 Sol88: The idiocy of citing C/2017 K2 (PANSTARRS) paper about ice and dust comets. 3 October 2017 Sol88: Lies about a C/2017 K2 (PANSTARRS) paper about ice and dust comets. The paper he cites gives explains the coma formation at its distance ![]() A Comet Active Beyond the Crystallization Zone
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3 October 2017 Sol88: The only "plenty" that is going on is more posts full of ignorance, delusions and lies
275 items of ignorance, delusion and lies dating from 29 August 2016 to 2 October 2017 (maybe hundreds more in the last 8 years!) 3 October 2017 Sol88: The persistent lie of a "dirtysnowball" model existing. It is the comet model or Whipple's model or Whipple's "dirty snowball" term can be used. It is comet nuclei that are popularly described as a "dirty snowballs", "icy dirtballs" or like "deep fried ice cream". Even as a description "dirtysnowball" is a lie. 3 October 2017 Sol88:The insanity that scientific models cannot change when new data is collected. That is not surprising when he is a follower of the almost religious Thunderbolts cult where there is only dogma based on 60 year old delusions. |
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@ Reality Check,
That's great mate, as long as your comfortable with that! |
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I am comfortable with knowing about the real world of science and comets.
I am also comfortable with documenting 8 years and continuing of ignorance, delusions and lies for the world to read forever. 275 items of ignorance, delusion and lies dating from 29 August 2016 to 2 October 2017 (maybe hundreds more in the last 8 years!) |
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Oh I see, K2 is a "special" comet.
![]() So if "super volatiles" can not remove dust at 1.3 au how the hell is it removing dust at 23.7au? even if the ice is on the surface exposed to the full heat of the Sun. Just another "oddball" comet then, ay? |
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8 years of ignorance, delusions and lies and the rest of the post makes that into a lie even with the rolleyes.
3 October 2017 Sol88: A lie about K2 being a "special" comet. K2 is one of the billons of objects that are possible comets in the Oort cloud. They have been there for billions of years. When they are perturbed into the inner system they will have very volatile materials ("supervolatiles") on their surface. Thus K2 is just a new comet. 3 October 2017 Sol88: Repeats a lie of "supervolatiles" can not remove dust at 1.3 au. 3 October 2017 Sol88: Lies about a near-surface ice paper about ice and dust comets. For others: What is interesting about K2 is that we have observed sublimating ices forming the coma at such a large distance. That means that a major source of sublimation closer to the Sun (water ice) cannot be creating the coma. A good description at Bad Astronomy: Astronomers spot the most distant active inbound comet ever - 2.5 *billion* km away!
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3 October 2017 Sol88: The delusion that every comet is the same, e.g. K2 and 67P ![]() Comets have different orbits. C/2017 K2 has a hyperbolic orbit. Comets have visited the inner system a different number of times. The hyperbolic orbit of K2 tells us that this is the comet's first and very likely only visit to the inner system. After perihelion around 2022, K2 will head out of the Solar System never to be seen again. Comets have different compositions. K2 has never visited the inner system and so has a surface covered with sublimating supervolatile ices such as CO2, CO, O2, and N2. 275 items of ignorance, delusion and lies dating from 29 August 2016 to 2 October 2017 (maybe hundreds more in the last 8 years!) |
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Sublimating super volatiles can NOT remove dust at any distance from the Sun!
![]() And you've got it happening at 23.7au ![]() ![]() But it MUST fit the dirty snowball model or..... ![]() Plenty of evidence that the dirtysnowball model has been falsified! A new model is required as stated by Skorov ![]() There is no viable mechanism for the removal of dust by gas sumblimating on or near the surface.. BUT WE SEE 'jets" of dust, how Reality Check? |
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The dirty snowball is the 1950s model, sorry Sol, but research means that things develop. If they would not, you would be posting your junk on a clay tablet using cuniform.
But of course mainstream physics is not allowed to develop any starting models, they have to immediately reject their ideas and embrace the so called "electric universe" nonsense. Skorov is the only one at the moment who does not believe in gas drag, and whether his ideas bear any merit will have to be seen. At presentations in Riga during the EPSC it was found that the dust and gas move together, and modeling of outgassing on 67P and then adding dust could very well explain the observations that were made. So it can be quite possible that Skorov is, dare I say it, wrong. |
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I will not quote yet another post full of lies
4 October 2017 Sol88: A lie that sublimating supervolatiles can not remove dust at any distance from the Sun when he has cited a paper stating that they can at 23 AU ![]() A Comet Active Beyond the Crystallization Zone 4 October 2017 Sol88: A lie that sublimating supervolatiles cannot remove dust at 23 AU when he has cited a paper stating that they can. A Comet Active Beyond the Crystallization Zone 4 October 2017 Sol88: A lie that observations must fit the mainstream comet model when it is the model that must fit as many observations as possible like all scientific models. 4 October 2017 Sol88: A lie that the working mainstream comet model is falsified. 4 October 2017 Sol88: A lie that Skorov wants to replace the working mainstream comet model. Skorov et. al are the only people who think that gas drag cannot explain the lifting of small grains of dust (< 1 mm). They believes that gas drag does lift grains of dust > 1 mm in size. Is near-surface ice the driver of dust activity on 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko by Yu. V. Skorov, L. Rezac1, P. Hartogh1 and H. U. Keller 4 October 2017 Sol88: A lie that there is no viable mechanism for the removal of dust by gas sublimating on or near the surface. The sublimation of H2O, CO2, CO, O2, and N2 ices are the mechanism for all comets. For K2 @ 23 AU: Emphasized the parts he lied about. The activity of Comet K2 is explained by CO2, CO, O2, and N2 ices at the surface. |
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Big call, cobber, big call!
Someone is wrong for sure ![]() Whipple was somewhat off the mark as the revisions are not looking favourable to ice with some dust model, so the ratio was revised to dusty with some ice
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Michael F. A’Hearn Not his fault as we knew nothing about outer space then but it is the mainstream fault for ignoring the overwhelming electrical effects now more than obviously dominate on/in and around a comet and trying to keep the dirtysnowballl alive! So where to now Tusenfem? How long do you still try and model comets as dirtysnowballs? Reality Check still thinks they are ![]() |
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Usual idiocy and lies.
4 October 2017 Sol88: A lie that any observation shows the comets are rocky (even if the word is struck out). 4 October 2017 Sol88: The idiocy of citing a paper about 67P debunking his comet delusions. 4 October 2017 Sol88: A lie that we knew nothing about outer space in the 1950's. Whipple knew the measured densities of comets (less then water). 4 October 2017 Sol88: A lie that the mainstream has ignored electrical effects. 4 October 2017 Sol88: A lie that imaginary "overwhelming electrical effects" have ever been detected or "dominate" around comets. What has been detected are the mainstream effects, e.g. comet coma interacting with the solar wind. No evidence for his comet delusions have ever been detected. No electrical discharges. Nm massive electric field between comets and the Sun. 4 October 2017 Sol88: A lie that I think that comets are modeled as dirty snowballs. Comets are modeled as real world comets with nuclei made of varying proportions of ices and dust ![]() |
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