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Old 24th February 2018, 10:44 AM   #1
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Hillary Clinton is Done: Part 5 (The Doniest)

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Who's upset? I just find it hilarious that the very people who insist that she's done just can't let her go, and then they blame their inability to do so on the fact that as a public figure for decades she's still talked about from time to time.
Who's insisting she's done?

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Old 24th February 2018, 10:52 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Who's insisting she's done?

It seems some people still remember (against their will) that the first three installments of this thread were purely insisting that the very idea of her being done was ridiculous, with the bottom feeders spamming the thread with "Is she done yet?" every other day.

It still hurts a lot, it appears.
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Old 24th February 2018, 11:00 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by Giordano View Post
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Hey- for those who just can't let go- it's no use to stay obsessed- Hillary's moved on and you've got to too! I know it's tough right now believing this, but she's just not for you. Come on- there are lots of other, active politicians in the sea; just get out more, meet some of them, and one day you learn to feel about one of them as you now feel about Hillary. You'll even look back and find your current anguish over a hopeless, long dead relationship funny.
It's kind of like sports really. Watching a game is more fun if you are rooting for a player or team, but disliking a player or team can also make a game fun to watch. In the same way, even though I'm not a Republican, I never liked Hillary, so it's fun following her train wreck of a career.
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Old 24th February 2018, 12:02 PM   #4
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To remind us of what Trump was up against, just armed with a flag...

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Old 24th February 2018, 01:13 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
I see that the thread has devolved again into nothing but complaining about the thread.

Just another flavor of “leave Hillary alone.”
Nope- absolutely the wrong guess as to my motivation. Ha, I have no sympathy for Ms. Clinton and my views of the thread do not originate in any way from a defensive "leave Hillary alone" perspective. Hillary is done. She would have long ago passed out of the public's eye, except the Hillary bashers keep her alive and visible while at the same time complaining about it.

I understand why Trump seeks to keep her the Emmanuel Goldstein Two-Minute Hate target, but this is such a transparent and embarrassingly political ploy! I am not concerned that a dead horse suffers from being beaten; buy into the Hillary bashing and whip and kick the horse as many times as you wish if it makes you happy... I am simply saying that the whole exercise is a waste of time and a major distraction from time better spent on discussions of more important, current, and relevant political topics. But then again that is exactly what Trump and the Republican party seek...
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Old 24th February 2018, 01:26 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by Giordano View Post
https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/royorbison/crying.html

Hey- for those who just can't let go- it's no use to stay obsessed- Hillary's moved on and you've got to too! I know it's tough right now believing this, but she's just not for you. Come on- there are lots of other, active politicians in the sea; just get out more, meet some of them, and one day you learn to feel about one of them as you now feel about Hillary. You'll even look back and find your current anguish over a hopeless, long dead relationship funny.
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Nope- absolutely the wrong guess as to my motivation. Ha, I have no sympathy for Ms. Clinton and my views of the thread do not originate in any way from a defensive "leave Hillary alone" perspective. Hillary is done. She would have long ago passed out of the public's eye, except the Hillary bashers keep her alive and visible while at the same time complaining about it.

I understand why Trump seeks to keep her the Emmanuel Goldstein Two-Minute Hate target, but this is such a transparent and embarrassingly political ploy! I am not concerned that a dead horse suffers from being beaten; buy into the Hillary bashing and whip and kick the horse as many times as you wish if it makes you happy... I am simply saying that the whole exercise is a waste of time and a major distraction from time better spent on discussions of more important, current, and relevant political topics. But then again that is exactly what Trump and the Republican party seek...
Ya here that folks, Hillary bashers are making Hillary not shut the **** up.

And it ain’t about leave Hillary alone, it is about bu-bu-but Trump!

Plus we can only talk about one thing at a time.

Fantastic.
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Old 24th February 2018, 02:19 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Ya here that folks, Hillary bashers are making Hillary not shut the **** up.

And it ain’t about leave Hillary alone, it is about bu-bu-but Trump!

Plus we can only talk about one thing at a time.

Fantastic.
Believe it or not, I'm just trying to help the Hillary bashers: the intensity of their hatred is such that I wonder if it is unhealthy for the bearer. I also feel bad for those among them who are otherwise well-intentioned but who have fallen prey to this cynical political manipulation and are being exploited by it.

However, if I suppress these natural, altruistic wishes to bring serenity and peace of mind to all with whom I interact, I am in fact often pleased to see the bashers waste their time by this venting on a deceased equine. Sure, we all can talk about more than one thing at a time, but one does not have an infinite amount of time or energy or thought. Or even hate. One must prioritize if one wishes to formulate and present opinions clearly and convincingly. And one can loss credibility by railing too much on a moot and meaningless topic. For these reasons the list of things on which I pontificate doesn't include the ways my girlfriend of 1972 "done me wrong."
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Old 24th February 2018, 02:32 PM   #8
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I am enormously cynical and would be the last person on Earth to embrace kittens, Hallmark cards, or... Hillary. For most of my life people who spoke of love and universal brotherhood seemed embarrassingly naive to me and I prided myself on being hard core. But at long last, after many decades of experience, I have finally made an observation that I see as an absolute truth: one should not embrace viewpoints that are motivated by hatred. Such viewpoints do not lead us toward the goal of becoming better individuals or achieving a better society. They may feel good for awhile, but they leave terrible hangovers. Which is one reason I am bugged by Hillary bashing.

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Old 3rd March 2018, 01:55 PM   #10
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Don-iest?
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The Doniest People's Republic. That's where Killary is president.
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Yes, it is sad that a small cadre of Killery-bashers continue to dance silly little jigs around her mummified corpse, in the pathetically misguided belief that, in doing so, they are hurting the feelings of Hillary's die-hard followers.

In reality, Hillary had precious few die-hard followers, even in her heyday. Most of those who voted for Hillary did so in rational recognition of the fact that Hillary was a lesser evil than...

DONAMIR PUTINTRUMP, absolute composite ruler of @200 million devoted Putrumpkins.

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Old 4th March 2018, 01:19 PM   #13
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Yes, it is sad that a small cadre of Killery-bashers continue to dance silly little jigs around her mummified corpse, in the pathetically misguided belief that, in doing so, they are hurting the feelings of Hillary's die-hard followers.

In reality, Hillary had precious few die-hard followers, even in her heyday. Most of those who voted for Hillary did so in rational recognition of the fact that Hillary was a lesser evil than...

DONAMIR PUTINTRUMP, absolute composite ruler of @200 million devoted Putrumpkins.

Funny because I seem to remember Hillary being the only Democratic candidate pushed by the DNC, and the only one with any chance of winning the nomination out of the few who even ran.

All of this happened before Trump was seen as having any chance of winning the nomination at all, so the "battling evil Trump with Hillary" is not true.

She got the nomination overwhelmingly and there was never any doubt she would. Someone sure liked her.

"We didn't really like her anyways". Heck of a campaign strategy.
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Old 4th March 2018, 01:38 PM   #14
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Funny because I seem to remember Hillary being the only Democratic candidate pushed by the DNC, and the only one with any chance of winning the nomination out of the few who even ran.

All of this happened before Trump was seen as having any chance of winning the nomination at all, so the "battling evil Trump with Hillary" is not true.

She got the nomination overwhelmingly and there was never any doubt she would. Someone sure liked her.

"We didn't really like her anyways". Heck of a campaign strategy.
I suggest at you remember incorrectly. The DNC has no function is pushing any candidate, and nor are they able to do so.

The worst that is able to be said is that some members of the DNC favoured Hillary to win, but such was kept to internal discourse and only occurred prior to other candidates officially entering the race, or after Hillary was clearly going to win based on the nominated delegates.

The DNC have no mechanisms to influence the primaries. They don't control the State branches of the party, they don't control the Supers, they don't control the electors. They have nothing to do with funding during the primaries, not in advertising or campaign management.

Their job prior to the Convention is to file paperwork, which they did equally for both sides, even making sure that late submissions by Bernie's team didn't disqualify him from several ballots as it should have by law, and organising the Convention itself. It's not until after the convention that they are opened up to pushing their candidate and helping the primary winning campaign.

Bernie's big problems were nothing to do with the DNC, it was a failure to get his message to resonate with the mainstream Democrat voter. He also failed to woo the supers, even failing to send them materials when they requested it, but rather attacking them for their choosing someone that they knew well and who had been with the party for the vast majority of her life, over someone that they didn't know, whose campaign didn't seem that interested in getting them on his side, instead they spent far more time complaining about them which likely turned them off even more.
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Yes, it is sad that a small cadre of Killery-bashers continue to dance silly little jigs around her mummified corpse, in the pathetically misguided belief that, in doing so, they are hurting the feelings of Hillary's die-hard followers.

In reality, Hillary had precious few die-hard followers, even in her heyday. Most of those who voted for Hillary did so in rational recognition of the fact that Hillary was a lesser evil than...

DONAMIR PUTINTRUMP, absolute composite ruler of @200 million devoted Putrumpkins.

http://nancyburson.com/wp-content/up...n_High_Res.jpg
Couldn't you have found a bigger picture for them?
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It's kind of like sports really. Watching a game is more fun if you are rooting for a player or team, but disliking a player or team can also make a game fun to watch.
In Wales people traditionally support two teams : Wales, and whoever's playing England. As you can imagine, things get pretty intense when Wales is playing England.

(Derail, I know, but ffs, why not?)
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Bernie's big problems were nothing to do with the DNC, it was a failure to get his message to resonate with the mainstream Democrat voter. He also failed to woo the supers, even failing to send them materials when they requested it, but rather attacking them for their choosing someone that they knew well and who had been with the party for the vast majority of her life, over someone that they didn't know, whose campaign didn't seem that interested in getting them on his side, instead they spent far more time complaining about them which likely turned them off even more.
Sanders also suffered from the received wisom that a self-proclaimed godless socialist would be a suicidal choice for candidate.
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Sanders also suffered from the received wisom that a self-proclaimed godless socialist would be a suicidal choice for candidate.
I think that qualifies under "failure to get his message to resonate with the mainstream Democrat voter."
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I suggest at you remember incorrectly. The DNC has no function is pushing any candidate, and nor are they able to do so.

The worst that is able to be said is that some members of the DNC favoured Hillary to win, but such was kept to internal discourse and only occurred prior to other candidates officially entering the race, or after Hillary was clearly going to win based on the nominated delegates.

The DNC have no mechanisms to influence the primaries. They don't control the State branches of the party, they don't control the Supers, they don't control the electors. They have nothing to do with funding during the primaries, not in advertising or campaign management.

Their job prior to the Convention is to file paperwork, which they did equally for both sides, even making sure that late submissions by Bernie's team didn't disqualify him from several ballots as it should have by law, and organising the Convention itself. It's not until after the convention that they are opened up to pushing their candidate and helping the primary winning campaign.

Bernie's big problems were nothing to do with the DNC, it was a failure to get his message to resonate with the mainstream Democrat voter. He also failed to woo the supers, even failing to send them materials when they requested it, but rather attacking them for their choosing someone that they knew well and who had been with the party for the vast majority of her life, over someone that they didn't know, whose campaign didn't seem that interested in getting them on his side, instead they spent far more time complaining about them which likely turned them off even more.
Can we stop being quite so Pollyanna-ish? The DNC favored Clinton, but by default. O'Malley was never on the radar but had he developed any sort of following, they would've gotten behind him. If Biden had chosen to run, there would've been a serious firefight, not dissimilar to Obama usurping Hillary's coronation in '08. But Bernie was a DINENO, a Democrat in not even name only. He was never taken seriously because he didn't have a prayer and even when he showed any sort of strength, big meetings on the quad, vocal minorities running roughshod over caucuses and internet armies... was all a little too Ron Paul. Horrible signal:noise ratio.

The DNC is not the United Nations. They are out to get Democratic Party wins. They didn't, honestly, think they could win with Sanders.

But we've been through this thing of "hard" vs "soft" support for Hillary. Many progressives and lefties (like myself) supported Clinton grudgingly because since 2000 it has become apparent that the Republicans need to be stopped. Anyone who doubted that has to just see what's crawled out from under the rocks since Trump's kleptokrat klan got elected. We had a real prominent conservative on these boards who tried to sell us that checks and balances would protect us from Trump. Yeah, sure. When hell freezes over.
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Funny because I seem to remember Hillary being the only Democratic candidate pushed by the DNC, and the only one with any chance of winning the nomination out of the few who even ran.

All of this happened before Trump was seen as having any chance of winning the nomination at all, so the "battling evil Trump with Hillary" is not true.

She got the nomination overwhelmingly and there was never any doubt she would. Someone sure liked her.

"We didn't really like her anyways". Heck of a campaign strategy.
Remember the people who ran in the Republican primary?

Those were the people HIllary's supporters chose Hillary over, including Sanders, who isn't even a Democrat and would probably have lost even to Shutdown Boy Ted Cruz, the most universally despised Senator in Washington.

The one that ended up beating all of them has an approval rating that would be cardiac arrest if it was a heartbeat.

The prosecution rests.

Oh. Almost forgot. HAIL PUTINTRUMP!
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
...But we've been through this thing of "hard" vs "soft" support for Hillary. Many progressives and lefties (like myself) supported Clinton grudgingly because since 2000 it has become apparent that the Republicans need to be stopped. Anyone who doubted that has to just see what's crawled out from under the rocks since Trump's kleptokrat klan got elected. We had a real prominent conservative on these boards who tried to sell us that checks and balances would protect us from Trump. Yeah, sure. When hell freezes over.
Same here.

During the election (and still now) it was beyond my comprehension how self-styled progressives failed to see Trump as the real and present danger he has proven to be. And this happened when SCOTUS was swing-able for the first time in a generation. Even though Bernie didn't stand a chance, and even though Stein is a sorry joke, I don't begrudge anyone for supporting them in the primaries. However I'll never forgive their supporters for opposing Clinton in the general. These binary-thinking dimwits owe the world an apology. I fear that won't stop them from staging a sequel though.
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The GOP is out celebrating today that congenital liar Hillary ain't done, because her bitter recriminations after she lost the General are coming back to haunt her and them:
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"If you look at a map of the United States, there's all that red in the middle where Trump won," she begins. The ad then shows McCaskill's early and enthusiastic support for Clinton.

It continues with Clinton in India saying, "I won the places that are optimistic, diverse, dynamic moving forward. And his whole campaign was looking backwards. You know, you didn't like black people getting rights, you don't like women getting jobs, you don't want to see that Indian-American succeeding more than you are, whatever your problem is ... He stirred that up"
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign...atest-comments

Hillary, the gift that keep on giving!

Hillary, stop Please:

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Same here.

During the election (and still now) it was beyond my comprehension how self-styled progressives failed to see Trump as the real and present danger he has proven to be. And this happened when SCOTUS was swing-able for the first time in a generation. Even though Bernie didn't stand a chance, and even though Stein is a sorry joke, I don't begrudge anyone for supporting them in the primaries. However I'll never forgive their supporters for opposing Clinton in the general. These binary-thinking dimwits owe the world an apology. I fear that won't stop them from staging a sequel though.
In California this is already an issue, with some "Progs" challenging more centrist democracts in some House districts which are light red;ie they favor a Republican but by a small margin with a large swing vote factor.. Danger is that since in California the top two vote getters in the primaries ,regardless of party, face each other in the general election, that the Democratic will be so divided that you will have two Republicans facing each other in November.
Fact is, the Democrats now have their own version of the Tea Party...die hard ideologues for whom ideological purity outranks every other consideration.
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The GOP is out celebrating today that congenital liar Hillary ain't done, because her bitter recriminations after she lost the General are coming back to haunt her and them:

Hillary, the gift that keep on giving!

Hillary, stop Please:
Except she wasn't lying when she said that. She wasn't lying about the "basket of deplorables" either.

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Except she wasn't lying when she said that. She wasn't lying about the "basket of deplorables" either.

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Oooooooookay.
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Why is this thread still a thing?
Because Hillary just humiliated herself and her country by running her huge mouth while on a junket in India, potentially causing her erstwhile party mates an election or two.

There are literally two separate links about this exact subject.

Thanks tho for faking the time to check in.
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Old 19th March 2018, 09:46 PM   #31
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Hilary embarrassed her country?
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I'm still waiting to hear anything she said there that was wrong.

Conservatives are more likely to be authoritarians who listen to "the man of the house"? Small towns tend to look backwards to some extent? Dolt 45 is an obvious bigot who appealed to bigotry? That's all true.

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I'm still waiting to hear anything she said there that was wrong.

Conservatives are more likely to be authoritarians who listen to "the man of the house"? Small towns tend to look backwards to some extent? Dolt 45 is an obvious bigot who appealed to bigotry? That's all true.
If you boil down what Hillary said, it appears as though that she has come to the startling revelation that Republican women tend to vote for Republican candidates. That's some incredible political insight she's got.
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To remind us of what Trump was up against, just armed with a flag...

https://i.imgur.com/20Q69ND.jpg
Well, Ben Garrison is surely either an ******* or just a piece of **** from one!!!!
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If you boil down what Hillary said, it appears as though that she has come to the startling revelation that Republican women tend to vote for Republican candidates. That's some incredible political insight she's got.
Nope, she said that she lost because of racism and all sorts of other isms, and that sophisticated people voted for her while people in backwards did not.

As such, she managed to dribble out more excuses why she lost (none of which had to do with her execrable campaign, history of lying and terrible personality) while at the same time offending those people who did support her in those backwards places while jeopardizing on going election campaigns of democrats who supported her (McCaskill in Missouri).

all to feed her monstrous ego.

This was of course laid out in the articles (plural) I linked.

Thanks Hillary.
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Technically, saying that more idiots voted for Trump and more sophisticated people for her isn't an excuse for having lost: she is just saying that she was targeting a different audience than Trump.


Clinton's loss was so close that any single thing was probably enough to let Trump win.
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Why is this thread still a thing?
Because Hillary is still a thing. This has been explained repeatedly. Why does this thread still confuse you?
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If you boil down what Hillary said, it appears as though that she has come to the startling revelation that Republican women tend to vote for Republican candidates. That's some incredible political insight she's got.
She said a couple of other specific things that, for some reason, are still treated as shocks: First, Dolt 45 ran on white supremacism. Second, people that vote in declining homogeneous small towns tend to vote for "the past".

The first is undisputed at this point - and he has gone to great lengths to govern accordingly. The second, when you listen to what these folks are saying, also seems pretty obvious - and the two are plainly combined by these people themselves. I'm not the sort that just says "these people need to move" and end it there, but really, neither was Clinton. If people freak out over these obvious facts - well, they look like a bad pro wrestler flopping around when a punch landed nowhere near them.

(A third is the "man of the house is the ruler" idea - which, again, we see plenty of in the US, so not really in dispute)
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Because Hillary is still a thing. This has been explained repeatedly. Why does this thread still confuse you?
Indeed. After all, even breathless pearl-clutchers have the right to participate in thoughtful discourse whataboutism.
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Nope, she said that she lost because of racism and all sorts of other isms, and that sophisticated people voted for her while people in backwards did not.
Which is pretty much correct.

It is true that she made mistakes with her campaign (and those mistakes might have tipped the balance). Even Clinton has admitted that. But its pretty clear that racism/sexism played a part in Trump's victory.
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Yet Trump's campaign was often considered a "dumpster fire".
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history of lying
Yet Trump lied much more often (and much more blatantly) than Clinton ever did. Yet Trump supporters were willing to overlook his lies.
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and terrible personality)
Yet Trump was a racist, he was petty and vindictive, he boasted about assaulting women. All things that most people (at least those who aren't racists/bigots) would consider part of having a "terrible personality", even worse than the faults that Hillary had. Yet Trump supporters were willing to overlook those faults.

The fact is, Trump's victory was based in large part on the racism, sexism and all sorts of bigotry inherent in his supporters.

Most Trump supporters may point to things like "Clinton's lies/personality", but for the most part its a fig leaf. A thin veneer that they can point to to cover up their bigotry.
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Dems are angry over Clinton's latest stupid comments

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“She’s annoying me. She’s annoying everyone, as far as I can tell,” said one 2016 Clinton surrogate. “Who lets her say these things?”

One former senior Obama White House aide added, “If these statements are a form of catharsis, it would be in the Democratic Party’s best interest for her to get these out of her system soon.”

“We need leaders like her to look forward to 2020 and how to unify the party, not continue to re-litigate the past.”
Seriously the best thing that could happen right now is if the entire Clinton Family takes a long long vacation.

In interviews with The Hill on Tuesday, even the staunchest Clinton allies as well as longtime advisers say the comments were cringeworthy and ultimately detrimental to Democrats.

“She put herself in a position where [Democrats] from states that Trump won will have to distance themselves from her even more,” said one former senior Clinton aide. “That’s a lot of states.”
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