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Old 27th April 2018, 06:39 PM   #121
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Originally Posted by Fudbucker View Post
Well, she did plagiarize Michelle Obama's speech at the convention. But she looked good doing it, and looks are all that matters. I guess.

She was smart enough to choose Hillary to plagiarize from. (There are worse choices.)

(Or did she have people for that?)
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Old 28th April 2018, 08:59 AM   #122
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Which of course is completely wrong.

During the last election, the Clinton campaign had a lot of very well thought out policies. You could go to their web site and actually see what their plans were on a wide range of subjects.

Compare that to Trump, who made promises which were incredibly vague (e.g. promise "great health care" without saying how it would be done), or completely contradictory (e.g. the cost of the wall, which seemed to change from speech to speech, or his immigration ban which turned into "extreme vetting", although he was vague on.)

What' pathetic is that there are republicans and Trump supporters who actually think that the "democrats had nothing but anti-Trump", while ignoring the fact that that label applied more to Trump and the republicans.
And this continues - dems are out discussing local and national issues, and republicans are increasingly turning to bashing Hillary Clinton. I guess bashing Nancy Pelosi isn't cutting it.
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Old 30th April 2018, 11:51 AM   #123
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A new Clinton wave is coming this spring

The Clinton family has made sporadic and often subdued appearances in the 18 months (538 days) since Hillary Clinton lost her presidential election. But we're about to see a lot more of them this spring.

Longtime Clinton supporters last week received an invitation offering access to the family (Bill, Hillary and Chelsea) at a Clinton Foundation benefit on May 24 in New York, at prices ranging from $2,500 ("Friend") for cocktail party and dinner, up to $100,000 ("Chair") for "Leadership Reception for two, a premium table of ten, program recognition as Gala Chair and invitations to the Clinton Foundation Annual Briefing."

https://www.axios.com/hillary-bill-c...9588e5ee2.html (April 30, 2018)

Will this family ever stop swindling the gullible? Gee, for one hundred grand you can get "recognition as a Gala Chair." Wow, sign me up.

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Old 30th April 2018, 02:36 PM   #124
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Longtime Clinton supporters last week received an invitation offering access to the family (Bill, Hillary and Chelsea) at a Clinton Foundation benefit on May 24 in New York,
Will this family ever stop swindling the gullible? Gee, for one hundred grand you can get "recognition as a Gala Chair." Wow, sign me up.
Despite the attempts by Trump, and the political right to demonize the Clintons, the Clinton Foundation is actually a very highly rated charity.

Charity Navigator gave them a 4 star ranking (higher even than the red cross) and Charity Watch gave them an A for both their transparency and their ability to spend money responsibly with low overhead. They have helped thousands of farmers improve their practices, improved education for thousands more, helped improve the environment with reforestration efforts, and helped provide medication to poor people in the developing world (among many other programs).

Most of the allegations criticizing it (oftenen revolving around "pay for play") have been found to be groundless. The only valid criticism is that they accepted money from governments and individuals that did not have a good human right's record, but the question about whether it is noble to accept money from bad people if it will be used to do good work is a philosophical one.

https://www.charitywatch.org/ratings...foundation/478

https://www.charitynavigator.org/ind...ry&orgid=16680

https://medium.com/the-facts-about-t...w-df0b1aa865a5

Given the fact that the Clinton foundation has a lot of success at helping people (and does so at a relatively low cost), only an idiot or a psychopath would want that to end, just so that they can score some cheap political points.
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Old 30th April 2018, 03:37 PM   #125
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Originally Posted by Slings and Arrows View Post
Will this family ever stop swindling the gullible? Gee, for one hundred grand you can get "recognition as a Gala Chair." Wow, sign me up.


They’re the gift that keeps on giving.
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Old 30th April 2018, 09:09 PM   #126
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They’re the gift that keeps on giving.
Yup, according to Charity watch and Charity Navigator, that's exactly what they do, keep on giving, to people that need it. Sort of the opposite of your boy Donald who is busy using his businesses to line his pocket on the Tax-payer and used his charity as a way to pay for his business expenses.
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Old 1st May 2018, 08:56 PM   #127
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Hillary Clinton's High Profile Is Hurting the Democrats

Isn’t there someone who can convince this accomplished, inspiring, barrier-breaking superwoman to stop whining about 2016? Someone? Anyone?

She lost. And while her frustration, disappointment, and rage make perfect sense, Clinton needs to give the public kvetching and finger-pointing a rest—if not for the sake of her or her party, then for the nation as a whole.

The Republican base (as hosts at Fox News can attest) still hates Clinton with the heat of a thousand suns. Is that rational? No. Is it a super-effective way for the GOP to fire up its base with high-stakes midterms approaching? To quote that great political sage Sarah Palin, you betcha!

Internal GOP research has found Clinton second only to Nancy Pelosi in the hierarchy of disliked Democrats: “Just 36 percent of Americans viewed Clinton favorably.”

Clinton is well aware of the controversy her public musings stir. Her thoughtful response: Dismiss the critics as sexist.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ocrats/559298/ (May 1, 2018)

The author of this article has got it backwards. Hillary should be encouraged to keep a high profile and run again in 2020, for the sake of the nation as a whole.
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Old 1st May 2018, 10:13 PM   #128
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It seems a little hard to blame it all on men, much less just Christian white men, when women supported Trump as much as previous Republican candidates.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...der-education/
Huh?

I suggest you read your link more carefully.

From your Pew link, your quote:
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Women supported Clinton over Trump by 54% to 42%. This is about the same as the Democratic advantage among women in 2012 (55% Obama vs. 44% Romney) and 2008 (56% Obama vs. 43% McCain).
Perhaps I missed your point?
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Old 2nd May 2018, 12:49 AM   #129
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Huh?

I suggest you read your link more carefully.

From your Pew link, your quote:

Perhaps I missed your point?
Sounds like Marcus' point is supported by the article.

Don't just blame white men for Donald Trump's success, (roughly) the same proportion of women voted for Donald Trump as voted for the previous two GOP candidates. In other words women didn't turn away from Donald Trump and IIRC a majority of white women voted for him.
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Old 2nd May 2018, 08:39 AM   #130
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Huh?

I suggest you read your link more carefully.

From your Pew link, your quote:

Perhaps I missed your point?
The point was that womens support for Trump was about the same as for previous Republican candidates. Movement of a couple points from either group could have put her over the edge. As far as the race angle goes, Trumps margin was pretty much identical to Romneys.

If you want to blame men for electing republicans, it would have to be all republicans, not just Trump.
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Being a Capitalist ‘Probably’ Hurt Me in Primary Because Many Democrats Are Socialists

Hillary Clinton claimed Wednesday that declaring herself to be a “capitalist” during the 2016 presidential primaries may have hurt her with Democratic voters.

“Probably,” she said when asked by Time Inc. Brands CCO Alan Murray.

“It’s hard to know but I mean if you’re in the Iowa caucuses and 41 percent of Democrats are socialists or self-described socialists, and I’m asked ‘Are you a capitalist?’ and I say, ‘Yes, but with appropriate regulation and appropriate accountability.’ You know, that probably gets lost in the ‘Oh my gosh, she’s a capitalist!’” Clinton concluded.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/hillar...are-socialists (May 2, 2018)

Oh my gosh, Hillary's a capitalist! Well, that explains why she lost the election, she should have run as a Republican.
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Old 2nd May 2018, 05:58 PM   #132
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She's just going for the record for how many excuses one can provide to explain an election loss.
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She's just going for the record for how many excuses one can provide to explain an election loss.

Hillary has already surpassed one thousand, and she isn't even close to being finished.
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Old 3rd May 2018, 07:18 AM   #134
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First Lady Melania Trump always looks stunning and rarely comments on politics, making her the exact opposite of disheveled never-shut-up Hillary.
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Yes, because women should always be judged on how attractive they are, and not on their abilities, skills or intelligence.
Clearly, women should be seen and not heard. They should be pretty, smile, and not have opinions. Most of all, they should know their place.
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She's just going for the record for how many excuses one can provide to explain an election loss.
The last election was extremely close, with a lot of factors going into the campaign. Perhaps the reason for giving multiple 'excuses' for losing the campaign is that there actually WERE multiple reasons.

Yes, Trump fans like to dumb things down to "Boo Hillary", but for anyone who is actually interested in being an intelligent adult in their analysis, they can use the campaign to examine a series of factors (the electoral college, racism, sexism, the roll of the media, the roll of the past republican administrations, "Bernie Bros", and yes mistakes by Clinton herself.) Given how close the election was, if any one of those factors had been different Trump would not have been president.
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The point was that womens support for Trump was about the same as for previous Republican candidates. Movement of a couple points from either group could have put her over the edge. As far as the race angle goes, Trumps margin was pretty much identical to Romneys.

If you want to blame men for electing republicans, it would have to be all republicans, not just Trump.
I'd like to know who to blame for Trump being the Republican nominee.
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The last election was extremely close, with a lot of factors going into the campaign. Perhaps the reason for giving multiple 'excuses' for losing the campaign is that there actually WERE multiple reasons.

Yes, Trump fans like to dumb things down to "Boo Hillary", but for anyone who is actually interested in being an intelligent adult in their analysis, they can use the campaign to examine a series of factors (the electoral college, racism, sexism, the roll of the media, the roll of the past republican administrations, "Bernie Bros", and yes mistakes by Clinton herself.) Given how close the election was, if any one of those factors had been different Trump would not have been president.
I don't anything see wrong with analyzing the various reasons Hillary lost here. They only become excuses when the lady herself seemingly makes a career of finding ways to avoid responsibility. One could claim that she is just concerned about making money off her book or latest tour, but that's not it, she already has more money than she can reasonably spend.

My own opinion is that she is concerned about how she will be viewed in history, and she would rather be seen as a martyr than someone who lost by foolish mistakes or force of personality.
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I don't anything see wrong with analyzing the various reasons Hillary lost here. They only become excuses when the lady herself seemingly makes a career of finding ways to avoid responsibility.
Well, first of all, she has never tried to absolve herself of all responsibility. Clinton herself pointed out certain tactical mistakes that she made (not visiting certain states, handling coal miners).

Secondly, many of the reasons she lost were totally out of control. She didn't invent the electoral college (which allowed Trump to lose the popular vote but still win). She didn't chose to be female in a country where almost 1/10th of all voters say they will never vote for a woman. The republicans did a pretty good job of character assassination (Saying "Bengazi" probably gives Fox news reporters orgasms to this day)... but typically those investigations didn't actually find stuff she did wrong.

Now, you could argue "She didn't do anything wrong but still should step aside because partisan political attacks made her look bad... unfair to her but it happened. But in that case the criticism should be aimed more at Republicans and the idiots who believed such attacks rather than at Clinton herself.
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My own opinion is that she is concerned about how she will be viewed in history, and she would rather be seen as a martyr than someone who lost by foolish mistakes or force of personality.
Again, while she admits to making mistakes, most of the reasons she lost were not the result of mistakes she made but on factors outside of her control.
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I don't doubt that almost all of Hillary's base believes that she bears very little responsibility. Why do you suppose she is going to so much trouble to convince the public at large? Not a loaded question, this is just an aspect that interests me.
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The last election was extremely close, with a lot of factors going into the campaign. Perhaps the reason for giving multiple 'excuses' for losing the campaign is that there actually WERE multiple reasons.
Every political campaign is bedeviled by ten thousand things, big and little, that could sink it either separately or together. Viable candidates rise above most of the ten thousand things by securing a few big advantages - - popular support, adequate funding, etc. They can still be sunk by a single big problem, though. John Edwards' sex scandal, for example. There's not much a candidate can do about these big things, except avoid them if they can, or try to keep them quiet if they can't avoid them.

They can also be sunk by a bunch of little things that pile up too high. Michael Dukakis' campaign wasn't really sunk by a photo op of him in a tank. That was just one more straw in what became an unsupportable pile of straw for the campaign.

Successful campaigners are able to mitigate the cumulative effect of the little things through a three-part strategy. First, by being actually viable. Second, by avoiding larger problems that could tip the scales beyond what they can control. Third, by controlling the little things they can control.

The little things sink a campaign by adding up to something big. Keeping them from adding up is key to getting from a viable candidate to a successful campaign. Hillary's explanations of why she lost are a mix of little things, some of which she could control (engaging swing voters in key EC states), and some of which she couldn't control (Russian social media ads, Comey's last-minute bombshell). And because these were all little things, aggressively mitigating the ones that could be mitigated, could well have tipped the scales in her favor. Campaigning more actively in those key swing states, for example.
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We have discussed Hillary's awful aide Philippe Reines numerous times and it seems that he has gone off the deep end again.

Unhinged Hillary Clinton Aide Tweets Weirdly Racist Message Taunting Don Jr. Over His Divorce. https://splinternews.com/unhinged-hi...mes-1825899607

The article asks a damn good question why Hillary let awful people like this nut hang out in her circle for so long.
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We have discussed Hillary's awful aide Philippe Reines numerous times and it seems that he has gone off the deep end again.

Unhinged Hillary Clinton Aide Tweets Weirdly Racist Message Taunting Don Jr. Over His Divorce. https://splinternews.com/unhinged-hi...mes-1825899607

The article asks a damn good question why Hillary let awful people like this nut hang out in her circle for so long.
He was an aid to Hillary Clinton back in 2009 when she was Secretary of State, until he was named Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Strategic Communications in 2010. Looking through his biography, he hasn't been an aid since.
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He was an aid to Hillary Clinton back in 2009 when she was Secretary of State, until he was named Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Strategic Communications in 2010. Looking through his biography, he hasn't been an aid since.
He was the campaign spokesman for the 2016 Campaign cycle and has worked with her for over a decade.
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Again, while she admits to making mistakes, most of the reasons she lost were not the result of mistakes she made but on factors outside of her control.
Clinton and her campaign made a lot of mistakes, but the biggest was campaigning as if she had already won, or at least sounding that way. That not only inspired resentment among the large percentage of voters who were undecided right up to the election, but it also allowed her less enthusiastic supporters in the "sure thing" blue states to imagine that they weren't needed, so they stayed home. If she had taken Trump more seriously and her supporters had recognized that she really could lose, she almost certainly would have won.

A catalog of other Clinton excuses:
http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clin...on-loss-685971
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Hillary has already surpassed one thousand, and she isn't even close to being finished.
Maybe stop asking her, which means she has to constantly think up more reasons to avoid repeating herself?
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The continued posting in this thread is a shining monument to whataboutism.

Let's talk some about Mitt Romney. Or Horace Greeley, for that matter.
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WTH is this goof hiding?

Missing emails?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018...0-boston-heat/
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Hillary Clinton Endorsing Cuomo Over Progressive Female Candidate In New York

Of all the misogynistic things to do …

Hillary Clinton has announced that she will endorse Andrew Cuomo for a third term as governor in New York state, snubbing the more progressive female candidate in the primary, Cynthia Nixon.

Clinton’s endorsement has to be confusing to some supporters who spent the last couple of years hearing that anyone who supports a male candidate over a female candidate has to be anti-women.

Hillary has so adamantly insisted that anyone who fails to choose the woman in a political race must be a misogynist, that her decision to endorse Cuomo can only mean one thing – She hates women.

https://thepoliticalinsider.com/hill...omo-endorsing/ (May 22, 2018)

Well there you have it, proof positive that Hillary Clinton is a misogynist and a homophobe.

And on top of that, since Andrew Cuomo is a white male, Hillary must also be a racist.
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Well there you have it, proof positive that Hillary Clinton is a misogynist and a homophobe.

And on top of that, since Andrew Cuomo is a white male, Hillary must also be a racist.
Hillary Clinton, like Bill Clinton is a moderate-to-conservative Democrat, as everyone has been telling the frothing right wing for the past three years. This is not coming as a surprise to anyone on the left. Mayhaps you've listened to too much right-wing-radio. It's not necessary to run around waving your arms in the air screaming "Eeeek! A socialist!" The election's over and you can now identify her for what she is and identify Bill for what he is - corporatist moderate-to-conservative Democrats.
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Hillary Clinton, like Bill Clinton is a moderate-to-conservative Democrat, as everyone has been telling the frothing right wing for the past three years. This is not coming as a surprise to anyone on the left. Mayhaps you've listened to too much right-wing-radio. It's not necessary to run around waving your arms in the air screaming "Eeeek! A socialist!" The election's over and you can now identify her for what she is and identify Bill for what he is - corporatist moderate-to-conservative Democrats.
No it’s not that simple, her husband, the predator in chief put extreme leftists on the Supreme Court. Besides there aren’t really very many conservative Democrats, plenty of socialist Dems, which she is one.
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No it’s not that simple, her husband, the predator in chief put extreme leftists on the Supreme Court. Besides there aren’t really very many conservative Democrats, plenty of socialist Dems, which she is one.
Extreme leftists on the court? Who exactly would those 'leftists' be and what "extreme" leftists opinions did they write?
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Old 26th May 2018, 12:49 PM   #152
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Maybe stop asking her, which means she has to constantly think up more reasons to avoid repeating blaming herself?
FTFY.
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Old 26th May 2018, 12:54 PM   #153
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Extreme leftists on the court? Who exactly would those 'leftists' be and what "extreme" leftists opinions did they write?
Ginsberg and Breyer, they aren’t exactly middle of the road.

I can’t wait till you tell me they aren’t extreme left. Of course not a single soul wants to be known as far left, I don’t blame them.

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Ginsberg and Breyer, they aren’t exactly middle of the road.

I can’t wait till you tell me they aren’t extreme left. Of course not a single soul wants to be known as far left, I don’t blame them.
Just as I thought. You didn't have a damn clue what makes them 'extreme left'. It's easy to Google who Clinton appointed. I suppose you think the recent decision stripping labor of more rights is a "good thing".
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
FTFY.
Nice. Please describe what this would look like. "Why didn't you win?" "Me." That's a Trump-level response right there, one that answers no question and everyone is free to make up a meaning for. I'd rather hear from analysts anyways, the candidates themselves aren't going to know why they won or lost. Just look at all the reasons Trump won! Not a short list.
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Hillary Clinton, like Bill Clinton is a moderate-to-conservative Democrat, as everyone has been telling the frothing right wing for the past three years. This is not coming as a surprise to anyone on the left. Mayhaps you've listened to too much right-wing-radio. It's not necessary to run around waving your arms in the air screaming "Eeeek! A socialist!" The election's over and you can now identify her for what she is and identify Bill for what he is - corporatist moderate-to-conservative Democrats.
Yes, but I think you may be missing the bigger picture.

The right needs to keep resurrecting and then re-nailing her to the tree. It’s to divert from the historic catastrophe that is Trump, for whom there is no defense much less pride.

Yeah, we know Trump is kinda not the greatest, but think of how close the country came to having to suffer through HER!
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Just as I thought. You didn't have a damn clue what makes them 'extreme left'. It's easy to Google who Clinton appointed. I suppose you think the recent decision stripping labor of more rights is a "good thing".
You have to remember that logger considers anyone to the left of Mussolini to be the "extreme left".
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Just as I thought. You didn't have a damn clue what makes them 'extreme left'. It's easy to Google who Clinton appointed. I suppose you think the recent decision stripping labor of more rights is a "good thing".
Do you really need it explained WHY they’re extreme left?

Do you not believe they are extreme left?
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You have to remember that logger considers anyone to the left of Mussolini to be the "extreme left".
Amazingly the argument isn’t about me.
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
Do you really need it explained WHY they’re extreme left?

Yes. I do.

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Do you not believe they are extreme left?

No. I don't believe that.

Were the 40 out of 43 Republicans who voted to confirm Ginsburg extreme left? Did they believe she was? The 34 who voted for Breyer? The Republicans on the Judiciary Committee that unanimously approved them both?

How about Orrin Hatch, who was unstinting in his praise of Breyer. Also extreme left?
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