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Old 10th October 2018, 06:47 PM   #521
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
Blackburn is leading in the live NY Times poll by a whopping 17%. Sounds like Taylor Swift will be the one heartbroken on Election Day. Maybe she can turn it into a song.
No offense specifically to you. But I swear I've read dozens of posts lately by Republicans/Trump supporters in this forum about how the polls mean nothing since we are seeing a lot of reporting about a blue wave yet I see the same posters trotting out the polls/articles showing that their candidate is leading. I wouldn't call it hypocritical, but I would argue it's selective.
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Old 11th October 2018, 12:37 AM   #522
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
No offense specifically to you. But I swear I've read dozens of posts lately by Republicans/Trump supporters in this forum about how the polls mean nothing since we are seeing a lot of reporting about a blue wave yet I see the same posters trotting out the polls/articles showing that their candidate is leading. I wouldn't call it hypocritical, but I would argue it's selective.
Look, both sides will say that there's only one poll that matters when they think they are behind. I don't mind saying that in the last 45 days or so I pretty much concluded that the Blue Wave was real. And in a sense I think it still is. I think the Democrats are probably going to take back the House. But I also think that the Kavanaugh thing is backfiring big time on the Democrats in the Senate.

Bredesen, the Democrat in the Tennessee race, is a popular two-term governor. But to give you an idea of how bad the polling must have been last week, he came out and said he would have voted in favor of Kavanaugh for the SC. It does not seem to have helped (in fact it might have cost him some supporters).

So that's one of the upsets the Democrats had hoped to pull off apparently gone a-glimmering. Meanwhile in North Dakota, Heidi Heitkamp (who voted against Kavanaugh) is having to do similar things, like disavowing Hillary Clinton's remarks on how there is no way to bring back civility to politics without getting rid of the Republicans. But she is toast unless the blue wave is tidal in nature, and she's a lost seat for the Democrats, meaning they have to pick up 3 seats that are currently being held by Republicans while not losing any more than ND.

The race to succeed Jeff Flake in Arizona is also getting tighter. Kirsten Sinema had been leading pretty frequently in the polls, but Martha McSally is suddenly getting a boost, and this was before the local news reported that Sinema had promoted an event featuring convicted terrorist supporter Lynne Stewart. Gosh darn those old Yahoo Listservs!

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U.S. Democratic Senate hopeful Kyrsten Sinema promoted events at Arizona State University featuring a lawyer convicted for aiding an Islamist terror organization and its leader.

Sinema, a co-founder of the activist group Local to Global Justice, invited people in a now-closed Yahoo group to attend two events with Lynn Stewart, both in 2003.
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Old 11th October 2018, 07:05 AM   #523
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Originally Posted by Tony99 View Post
That exact exchange with my 88 year old mom this weekend.

Her: Is there something you can do about all these calls I get on my "home" phone? I'm on the do not call list! The only calls I get are from sales people and people with heavy accents I can't understand.

Me: Why do you still have a "home" phone? Does so-and-so, or so-and-so ever call you on that phone?

Her: Well no, they all call my cell or text.

Me: Seems like you could save some money by getting rid of your "home" phone.

Her: But what if its an emergency?

To keep it on topic she, will vote a straight R ticket in November.

See if her landline service supports NoMoRobo.

Then get her to activate it. It works pretty well. I only get a few unsolicited calls of that sort make it through in any given month.
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Old 12th October 2018, 11:21 AM   #524
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Beto O'Rourke raised over $38 million in the third quarter. And Democrats everywhere are going to rue all the funds spent on this race, as Cruz has begun to extend his lead. How bad is it? Politico actually published a piece begging the national media not to profile Beto anymore.

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In some ways, the O’Rourke campaign is a replay of Wendy Davis’ failed 2014 run for the Texas governorship, another liberal-against-conservative contest in which the Democrat was buoyed by a flotilla of encouraging East Coast coverage. But today’s Quinnipiac University Poll put O’Rourke down 9 points against Cruz, with Cruz trending up. If the poll holds, Texas will not transmogrify into California this election cycle and the attempt to run a Brooklyn campaign against his Texas opponent will have failed again.
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Old 12th October 2018, 05:31 PM   #525
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This is the state that thought Obama was planning to invade them.

I was never holding my breath to begin with.
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Old 12th October 2018, 06:27 PM   #526
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Sinema's past is catching up to her. She was interviewed back in 2003 on a radio show with local Libertarian flake Ernie Hancock:

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"By force?" Hancock asked. "By me, as an individual, if I want to go fight in the Taliban army, I go over there and I'm fighting for the Taliban. I'm saying that's a personal decision..."
"Fine," Sinema interjected, "I don't care if you want to do that, go ahead."
CNN also mentions Sinema co-hosting an Air America radio show with Jeff Farias, a local 9-11 Truth nutter, although they note that they can find no indication that they discussed his crazy theories while she was on the show. I searched the SLC archives and found several posts where we mentioned Farias, but none where Sinema's name came up.

She also apparently gave a speech at the Netroots Nation conference where she joked that Arizona was the meth lab of democracy. That's the kind of gag that might go over big with the Kos Kids, but could make her a harder sell in Phoenix.
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Old 12th October 2018, 10:30 PM   #527
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
This is the state that thought Obama was planning to invade them.

I was never holding my breath to begin with.
The Plan is ready to go in case O'Rourke doesn't win.
Hillary just has to say the right word on TV and all the Sleeper-FEMA soldiers in Texas will activate.
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Old 15th October 2018, 10:23 PM   #528
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Originally Posted by Travis View Post
Taylor Swift is breaking a lot of Nazi hearts coming out against Marsha Blackburn.
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So much of the push towards voter registration is directed at blacks and other people of color, but we ain’t the problem. When we vote, the vast majority of us take a look at the ballot box and choose the candidates who are the most sane and the least evil. Even with the ****** choices we’re so often given, 90 percent of us still manage to choose the right ones.

Maybe we’re getting it all wrong. Maybe instead of trying to get more of us to vote, the push should be to get less of them to vote. Maybe on Election Day, we should erect targeted barricades at each and every crucible of whiteness, from Cracker Barrel to Lululemon, so they can’t escape until voting is over
Theroot keeping it classy on Swifts remarks. (much like other democrats)
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Theroot keeping it classy on Swifts remarks. (much like other democrats)
She is not a democrat.
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Old 16th October 2018, 07:40 AM   #530
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She is not a democrat.
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In her post Sunday, Swift vowed to vote for two Democratic candidates: former governor Phil Bredesen for the Senate and Rep. Jim Cooper for reelection.
First time I've seen Swift be vocal about politics. Voting democrat. She claims to vote by candidate. So do I. I bet you would not call me independent or anything but GOP based on this election cycle. (because I've sworn to never vote democrat again until they reform the party)
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Old 16th October 2018, 11:25 AM   #531
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First time I've seen Swift be vocal about politics. Voting democrat. She claims to vote by candidate. So do I. I bet you would not call me independent or anything but GOP based on this election cycle. (because I've sworn to never vote democrat again until they reform the party)
Now that wins a prize for irony.

The Democratic party has many issues - however they are dwarfed by the GOP.
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Now that wins a prize for irony.

The Democratic party has many issues - however they are dwarfed by the GOP.
I agree both parties need work. Less religious zealots on GOP. However, with the current DNC agenda and supporters -- I'm out until it changes. (this is coming from someone that voted for Obama twice)
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Old 16th October 2018, 01:12 PM   #533
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(because I've sworn to never vote democrat again until they reform the party)
Now that wins a prize for irony.

The Democratic party has many issues - however they are dwarfed by the GOP.
Now to be fair, River never did say how he wan'ted the Democrats to reform.

He may say "I want them to reform by getting rid of all those pesky civil rights, and start hating gay people again, and throwing children in cages (if they're the wrong color)".
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Okay if we can bring this back to the topic somewhat.

Serious prediction.

1. Democrats will win enough seats to grant them a slim majority in the House
2. Republicans will retain control of the Senate.
3. Republicans will not significantly lose any of their 2010-2016 gains in the Governorship or State Legislature level
4. We will not see a significant increase in voter turnout.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Okay if we can bring this back to the topic somewhat.

Serious prediction.

1. Democrats will win enough seats to grant them a slim majority in the House
2. Republicans will retain control of the Senate.
3. Republicans will not significantly lose any of their 2010-2016 gains in the Governorship or State Legislature level
4. We will not see a significant increase in voter turnout.
While I agree with points 1-3, on point 4 I have to wonder:
- How are you defining 'significant' increase voter turnout?
- Are you comparing this midterm's voter turnout with the last major election in 2016 or with previous midterms (which on average have lower turnouts)?

I can see an increase in voter turnout compared to to 2014, although I don't think it will made a major difference in the results (with Republican gerrymandering and voter supression.)
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Old 16th October 2018, 01:53 PM   #536
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Okay if we can bring this back to the topic somewhat.

Serious prediction.

1. Democrats will win enough seats to grant them a slim majority in the House
2. Republicans will retain control of the Senate.
3. Republicans will not significantly lose any of their 2010-2016 gains in the Governorship or State Legislature level
4. We will not see a significant increase in voter turnout.
Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
While I agree with points 1-3, on point 4 I have to wonder:
- How are you defining 'significant' increase voter turnout?
- Are you comparing this midterm's voter turnout with the last major election in 2016 or with previous midterms (which on average have lower turnouts)?

I can see an increase in voter turnout compared to to 2014, although I don't think it will made a major difference in the results (with Republican gerrymandering and voter supression.)
I'd expect a decrease in voter turnout, because it's not a Presidential election year. That MAY affect R's more than D's, because they don't have Trump to vote for. Or not. Possibly wishful thinking on my part.

ETA: Oops, didn't see Segnosaur specified 2014. That was a somewhat dull year, so I can see an increase over that.
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How bad are things looking for the Democrats in the Senate? They're starting to pour money into TrueBlue New Jersey, to prop up that crook, Bob Menendez.

Keep in mind that Menendez, having survived a hung jury in his corruption case, is still in front pretty handily--7.2 points ahead in the RCP average of polling. Meanwhile, a bunch of Democrats are in very tight races that the party basically needs to sweep in order to have a chance of taking back the upper house. They are spending $3 million, which is not a big ad buy in the New Jersey TV markets as the Garden State is basically the expensive New York and Philadelphia markets. Just think how much that same amount could buy in Montana, where Jon Tester is ahead by only 3 points, or Nevada, where incumbent Republican Dean Heller is only up by 1.7 points.
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McConnell did well with Kavanaugh for shoring up support for Republicans in the Senate, but I'm confused by his recent statements:

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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) called on Congress to rein in major government programs like Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security in order to slow America's spiraling national debt on Tuesday, ignoring the fact the tax plan he recently passed has further grown that number.

"It's very disturbing, and it's driven by the three big entitlement programs that are very popular: Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid. That's 70 percent of what we spend every year," he said on Bloomberg News Tuesday when asked about the national debt. "There's been a bipartisan reluctance to tackle entitlement changes because of the popularity of those programs. Hopefully at some point here we'll get serious about this. We haven't been yet."

McConnell's comments give Democrats more fodder for an argument that they've been making in campaigns across the map: That the GOP will ultimately try to pay for its tax cuts by slashing social programs.
Linky.

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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Wednesday that Republicans may try again to repeal the Affordable Care Act after the November midterm elections, reviving an issue that polls show has swung sharply in the Democrats’ favor.
Linky.

I mean, we all know these are the actual Republican goals, but they aren't popular messages to give before the midterms.

And Trump is busy saying that Democrats want to cut Medicare...
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And Trump is busy saying that Democrats want to cut Medicare...

The flyers I've been getting in the mail have have a Republican claiming that by supporting Single Payer, his opponent wants to "end Medicare as we know it." Technically, making it available to everyone would sort of fit that description.
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Republican ads for the Washington 8th District have been claiming that the Democrat supports Medicare for All and it would cause income taxes to double. And much other hyperbole.
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Republican ads for the Washington 8th District have been claiming that the Democrat supports Medicare for All and it would cause income taxes to double. And much other hyperbole.
I'd wager that for most Americans doubling their income tax to pay for healthcare would mean a net savings.
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The overt hatred and violence that has become prevalent from many Democrats towards Republicans in recent times is unlawful, unacceptable, and downright scary.

First-time state representative candidate Shane Mekeland suffered a concussion after getting sucker punched while speaking with constituents at a restaurant in Benton County. Mekeland told the Free Beacon he has suffered memory loss, and doctors tell him he will have a four-to-six week recovery time ahead of him. He said he was cold cocked while sitting at a high top table at a local eatery and hit his head on the floor.

Minnesota state representative Sarah Anderson was punched in the arm after spotting a man destroying Republican yard signs. She said the attack left her scared, and her attacker only desisted when she fled to her car and threw it in reverse.

"It was just insane. He was charging at me, saying, ‘Why don't you go kill yourself?'" Anderson said. "To have someone physically coming after you and attacking you is just disheartening."

-- The Washington Free Beacon (Oct 17, 2018)

"Yet another report of conservative candidates being targeted with violence. We can’t accept attacks like these as the new normal, and we can’t shrug off the type of unhinged rhetoric that inspires and excuses assaulting others for their political beliefs."
-- Rep. Steve Scalise (Oct 17, 2018)


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"Probably best to avoid being in close physical proximity to any Democrat, they’ve become unhinged and violent."
Not only is this an irrational generalisation, but it doubles as a justification for violence, also.

I didn't know James Woods was insane.
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Republican ads for the Washington 8th District have been claiming that the Democrat supports Medicare for All and it would cause income taxes to double. And much other hyperbole.
Just saw the exact same line for my US congressional race in IL. Which is weird because the Democrat in question doesn't support single payer. It also tried to link her to a controversial State Democratic legislator, but she is running for the US Congress.

It was like two generic fill-in-the-blank attack ads mashed together.
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*Looking at my mail in ballot*

Florida why is "Ban on Offshore Drilling" and "Ban on Indoor Vaping" under the same referendum so they can't be voted on separately? Personally I'm not planning on voting one way for one and the other way for the other but I can think of plenty of reasonable reasons someone might want to and forcing people to vote the same way on two totally unrelated issues is dirty pool.
Conflating the two issues has caused me to reconsider my opposition to indoor vaping.

"Wait, indoor vaping is on par with offshore drilling? Well okay then!"
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I'd wager that for most Americans doubling their income tax to pay for healthcare would mean a net savings.
That depends.

For me, there is an amount taken out of my check, but there is also an amount that my employer pays that never passes through my check. Because of my position, I know that the employer portion is much higher than the portion that shows up on my check.

If my employer's contribution were paid to me as part of my salary, yes, it would be an increase. But if it was only the portion I pay, then it would be a noticable decrease in my take home pay.
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Just saw the exact same line for my US congressional race in IL. Which is weird because the Democrat in question doesn't support single payer. It also tried to link her to a controversial State Democratic legislator, but she is running for the US Congress.

It was like two generic fill-in-the-blank attack ads mashed together.
Madigan?

It seems like every ad I see here in Illinois is either linking the Democrat to Madigan or the Republican to Rauner.

Illinois politics.
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Yeah. People with good health care associated with their jobs would not break even. But of course, the doubling of income taxes is a ridiculous lie anyhow.

The weird thing about the Republican terror of Medicare for All is that their sponsors, the insurance companies and big corporations in general, would benefit. The insurance companies LOVE medicare because they get to sell lots of supplemental plans and even Medicare Advantage, which they charge the feds to administrate. The corporations could drop their employee health plans, but of course they would pass the savings on (nudge, nudge, wink, wink) on to their employees.
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Theroot keeping it classy on Swifts remarks. (much like other democrats)
Horseface is pretty classy.
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McConnell did well with Kavanaugh for shoring up support for Republicans in the Senate, but I'm confused by his recent statements:



Linky.



Linky.

I mean, we all know these are the actual Republican goals, but they aren't popular messages to give before the midterms.

And Trump is busy saying that Democrats want to cut Medicare...
As a followup, I've heard that McConnell is merely setting up for Democratic control of the House. All of a sudden, the deficit will be the biggest issue and we will have to cut social spending and in no way is any of this the fault of Republicans controlling every branch of government.
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I'd wager that for most Americans doubling their income tax to pay for healthcare would mean a net savings.
I'd bet it would too.

What I don't get about the Democrats and the health care fight is how stupidly they play this game.

If I was the Democrats, I'd roll out commercials showing how Universal Coverage is almost Universal all over the Western world. Do Americans really deserve less?

The idea that the United States cannot do this is awful. I'd juxtapose commercials with middle class Americans struggling with paying insurance or hospital bills and Canadians, Brits, Norwegians, etc. smiling over how they don't worry about medical bills.

When your Congressman or Senator tells you it can't be done, just say "get it done, or get out of the way".
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Update on indicted Hunter's challenger: He's a Palestinian Mexican Millennial Muslim Brotherhood infiltrator.

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But Hunter went even lower. “Ammar Campa-Najjar is working to infiltrate Congress,” says the narrator of Hunter’s ad on YouTube. “He’s used three different names to hide his family’s ties to terrorism.”

That outraged the conservative San Diego Union-Tribune: “We endorse Campa-Najjar for Congress. He is far superior to the troubled incumbent. This fact is underlined by the despicable ad that Hunter has begun to air in recent days suggesting that his ‘Palestinian Mexican millennial’ opponent was linked to terrorist groups and was ‘working to infiltrate Congress.’”

The Union-Tribune disputed the allegation that Campa-Najjar—who was raised by his single Catholic Mexican mother after his Palestinian father left when he was a boy—is a risk to national security because his grandfather, who was killed by Israeli commandos 16 years before Campa-Najjar was born and whom he has strongly disavowed, was a terrorist who helped plan the 1972 attack on Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics.
Linky.
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Despicable.

Republicans seek to alarm trump's base in midterm campaign ads
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
I'd wager that for most Americans doubling their income tax to pay for healthcare would mean a net savings.
And if Warren Buffett stole the money my wife and I are saving for our 10th Anniversary vacation out of my savings account, invested it, and returned it in two years after making whatever he was able to using it I'm sure I'd have more, perhaps a lot more, to spend on a vacation.

Still doesn't mean I want him to do.

"Give me your money because I can do more with it then you can" isn't argument people think it is.

A better return on investment requires voluntaryness (that needs to be a word) to be a good thing.
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A little bad news for the republicans on the polling front (from all places, Fox news)

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pre...term-elections

Some poll highlights:
- Republicans continue to trail Democrats overall by 49%-42%. This is unchanged since September, so they don't seem to be making any headway
- One of the biggest issues in the election is health care (followed by the economy and president trump). And for those thinking health care is important, the majority prefer the Democrats
- Most people think that congress should act as a check on Trump's powers, as opposed to helping him enact his policies
- Despite the supposed economic boom that the Republicans are bragging about, the number of people who feel 'confident' about their personal economic future has dropped from 73% 3 years ago to 68% now

Of course, there are still several weeks to go, so the republicans have plenty of time to find new ways to cheat.
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A little bad news for the republicans on the polling front (from all places, Fox news)
Yeah but hey, polls said Clinton would win, so they'll ignore it. Which is good, for the Democrats, I guess.
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In 2016, the fundamentals that after two terms, the White House almost always changes parties were against Clinton.
Now, the fundamentals that the President's party almost always loses seat in the first Midterms are for the Democrats.
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In 2016, the fundamentals that after two terms, the White House almost always changes parties were against Clinton.
Now, the fundamentals that the President's party almost always loses seat in the first Midterms are for the Democrats.
That has been the trend. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned that the republicans may hold on to both the Senate and the House. After all, they've done a remarkable job of gerrymandering and voter supression. And generally republican support tends to skew older and whiter (the type of people who have usually been more reliable voters.)

Frankly, I really don't understand... so many of the republican policies are disliked by people. So many people dislike Trump as a person... how can the polling results be as close as they are?
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A Republican PAC in Arkansas has run a political ad so over the top that even the candidate they're supporting has condemned it.

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A radio ad in Arkansas in support of Republican U.S. Representative French Hill aired this week featuring women with exaggerated and stereotyped African-American accents saying black voters should support Hill and Republicans because Democrats will lynch black men when “a white girl screams rape.”

In the ad, a woman says “white Democrats will be lynching black folk again.”

“We have to protect our men and boys,” the woman says. “We can’t afford to let white Democrats take us back to bad old days of race verdicts, life sentences and lynchings when a white girl screams rape.”

Hill condemned the ad Thursday, calling it “outrageous.” It was produced by Vernon Robinson of Black Americans for the President’s Agenda, a political action committee. Robinson told NBC News the ad ran in Little Rock, the state capital whose population is nearly half African-American.
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Sheesh. I haven't heard it yet (I work in Little Rock, and live just a bit outside it). I have heard his other commercials where he talks about "getting tax breaks for Arkansans and businesses to create jobs", which I basically heard as "The Kool-Aid is great! Drink the Kool-Aid!"
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