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Old 14th September 2018, 09:39 AM   #361
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Too bad it is difficult for some to understand everyone is an atheist. Even TBD, who disrespects Magog by all his Bible-waving, for example: Abrahamic nonsense mythology for the clueless or wanton. Get-rich-quick schemes like Magog's are so much more down-to-Earth and practical. Given the many, many, many millions deaths at the hands of the followers of Abraham, anyone so professing is admitting to being bent on pure evil, bereft of the dimmest notion of morality.

Magog for the win. Down with murderous Middle-eastern monotheists.
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Old 14th September 2018, 09:41 AM   #362
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post


Seriously, how is it humanly possible to go from this:



To this



I never made this claim, nor has anyone made such a claim.

The posts by the atheist apologists in this thread are stunning in how disingenuous they are.
Once again, 'The Big Dog' is dodging his own issues.

As far as I know, here is a list of nations in the world which are officially atheist nations:

China, and
Vietnam.

However, I have not found any nations which actually require its inhabitants to actually be atheists.
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Old 14th September 2018, 09:51 AM   #363
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Originally Posted by Hlafordlaes View Post
Too bad it is difficult for some to understand everyone is an atheist. Even TBD, who disrespects Magog by all his Bible-waving, for example: Abrahamic nonsense mythology for the clueless or wanton. Get-rich-quick schemes like Magog's are so much more down-to-Earth and practical. Given the many, many, many millions deaths at the hands of the followers of Abraham, anyone so professing is admitting to being bent on pure evil, bereft of the dimmest notion of morality.

Magog for the win. Down with murderous Middle-eastern monotheists.
Say, again, who sees the flaw in the above quoted post?

Nope, I am not talking about the blatant whatsboutism derail nonsense (although obvious)

Here is another hint for y'all: "A."
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Old 14th September 2018, 09:51 AM   #364
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Originally Posted by sylvan8798 View Post
I haven't followed TBD on other forum threads, so I'm not clear on where this is all supposed to be going?
Atheist are murderers.

Murderers are worse than pedophiles.

Therefore, Catholics are better than atheist.

But to be clear, that's not really where it is going, that is where it starts. Where it goes is really up to you. Also, pointing out unintentional dick jokes along the way is not very respectful to all the priest who didn't rape anyone and were just part of the cover-up.
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Old 14th September 2018, 10:00 AM   #365
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here is where this thread is going:

China is in the middle of a brutal due to Atheists policies promoted by Xi.

Apologists desperate to derail the subject have brought up blatant whataboutism (the attacks on catholic priests just being the most common) and have accused people of pointing out the facts of hate speech and slander and more while repeating blatant propaganda.

To sum up, our correspondents are much more concerned about posters highlighting the role the atheism is playing here (to the point of wishing actual physical harm on me) than the actual ongoing human rights abuses on going today in China.

this is what I refer to as a dream thread, in that the "arguments" in opposition to my posts are so terrible, specious, offensive and ignorant, that I barely have to lift a finger to get the brutal pogrom apologists in the bottom of the hole drilling away as the hole gets deeper and fills with sewage.
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Old 14th September 2018, 10:17 AM   #366
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Old 14th September 2018, 11:25 AM   #367
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Um... you can't have Marxism and totalitarianism at the same time. China has nothing really to do with Marxism, just a form of capitalism and totalitarianism.
Sure. Because all those examples of totalitarian regimes that called themselves Marxist were not true Marxists.
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Old 14th September 2018, 11:30 AM   #368
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
here is where this thread is going:

China is in the middle of a brutal due to Atheists policies promoted by Xi.

Apologists desperate to derail the subject have brought up blatant whataboutism (the attacks on catholic priests just being the most common) and have accused people of pointing out the facts of hate speech and slander and more while repeating blatant propaganda.

To sum up, our correspondents are much more concerned about posters highlighting the role the atheism is playing here (to the point of wishing actual physical harm on me) than the actual ongoing human rights abuses on going today in China.
Do you believe that atheism is evil, then? Or that atheists, having misunderstood their tenets perhaps, are evil?
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Old 14th September 2018, 11:39 AM   #369
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Xi’s ‘Atheist Ideology' Driving Crackdown on Chinese Christians

“I think the motivation primarily comes from the atheist ideology that Chairman Xi Jinping learned during his formative years of the late 1950s and 1960s,” said Yang Fenggang, director of the Center on Religion and Chinese Society at Purdue University.
From what I know of China, their "god" is China. Mao was revered as a god, though I don't know if he was purported to have supernatural powers. Xi may be aiming for the same status. According to that ideology the Chinese would consider Christians to be the idolaters, for putting God over country. That's very threatening to the powers that be.

But the Christians will have the last laugh, if it turns out they're right about the rewards in heaven. Xi et al. will burn in hell forever. As will more than a billion other Chinese, including Muslims, Buddhist etc. That has to be some consolation, doesn't it?

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To sum up, our correspondents are much more concerned about posters highlighting the role the atheism is playing here (to the point of wishing actual physical harm on me) than the actual ongoing human rights abuses on going today in China.
You're the one who highlighted it, Dog. Does it surprise you that some people here don't believe you post in good faith? That you framed the issue the way you did specifically to elicit this response? Well, it worked. Well done.

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Old 14th September 2018, 11:51 AM   #370
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Oh dear, the ridiculous "hate speech" claims raise their ridiculous head again.

"loaded" title, wow.
You reap what you sow; why does that surprise you?
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
... the pesky Marxist are not "promoting Christianity" they are perverting Christianity to promote "core socialist values, patriotism and Chinese history."

Well, the pesky Chinese Marxists aren't even promoting Marxism, nor do they promote atheism. They are perverting both to promote Chinese nationalism.
When they say that they're promoting Christianity, you don't believe them. Instead you claim that they're perverting it.
However, when they say that they're Marxists and/or atheists, there isn't the slightest doubt in your mind that they're telling the truth. Why do you have so much faith in these guys?!

(And I would still like to know: Now that I've shown you that when Karl Marx mentions the destruction of churches in Capital at all, he is usually referring to cases where kings, noblemen and capitalists robbed the Catholic Church in England in the name of Protestantism! Has that taught you anything at all? Has it made you change any of the ideas you had about the alleged Marxist Atheist Bible?!)
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
You reap what you sow; why does that surprise you?
saying that this thread is "hate speech" is the most over the top fabrication of victimhood one is likely to ever see
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Old 14th September 2018, 12:11 PM   #373
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
here is where this thread is going:

China is in the middle of a brutal due to Atheists policies promoted by Xi.

Apologists desperate to derail the subject have brought up blatant whataboutism (the attacks on catholic priests just being the most common) and have accused people of pointing out the facts of hate speech and slander and more while repeating blatant propaganda.

To sum up, our correspondents are much more concerned about posters highlighting the role the atheism is playing here (to the point of wishing actual physical harm on me) than the actual ongoing human rights abuses on going today in China.

this is what I refer to as a dream thread, in that the "arguments" in opposition to my posts are so terrible, specious, offensive and ignorant, that I barely have to lift a finger to get the brutal pogrom apologists in the bottom of the hole drilling away as the hole gets deeper and fills with sewage.
If the situation is really so very horrible for you, then have your god sort it out for you.
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Sure. Because all those examples of totalitarian regimes that called themselves Marxist were not true Marxists.

Yes, now you're getting it! They not only weren't true Marxists, they weren't Marxists at all. Have you never encountered anybody in this world who claimed to be something that they turned out not to be?!
I recommend that you read Capital. You only risk finding out what Marxism actually is.
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I have not read all ten pages of this thread. But I have spent time in China.

The state wants to control religion rather than destroy it. They view independent religion as a threat. State controlled religion is a tool for controlling the population. Those that are being persecuted are those that are not part of the state controlled churches.

The real problem is not an atheist state. It is a state where there is no separation of church and state.

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post

Nope, I am not talking about the blatant whatsboutism derail nonsense (although obvious)

Here is another hint for y'all: "A."

What's the real difference between posts of yours like that and speaking in tongues?
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
What's the real difference between posts of yours like that and speaking in tongues?
Entertainment value?
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Entertainment value?
Deliberately obtuse? Not a good look, nor is desperately evading the issue. Case in point, try to figure out was wrong with the post i was replying to in "saying atheist is hate speech's" post.
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Entertainment value?
That wanes quickly after TBD's 10 millionth wiggle.
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Entertainment value?

Does making so little sense have entertainment value?
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What's the real difference between posts of yours like that and speaking barking in tongues?
FTFY
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Too bad it is difficult for some to understand everyone is an atheist. Even TBD, who disrespects Magog by all his Bible-waving, for example: Abrahamic nonsense mythology for the clueless or wanton. Get-rich-quick schemes like Magog's are so much more down-to-Earth and practical. Given the many, many, many millions deaths at the hands of the followers of Abraham, anyone so professing is admitting to being bent on pure evil, bereft of the dimmest notion of morality.

Magog for the win. Down with murderous Middle-eastern monotheists.
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Say, again, who sees the flaw in the above quoted post?

Nope, I am not talking about the blatant whatsboutism derail nonsense (although obvious)

Here is another hint for y'all: "A."
Oh man, I see that the "skeptics" are baffled by what possibly could be the flaw(s) in the quoted post. The answer is of course is that not believing in Magog does not make you an atheist where one believes in the God of Abraham. Sorry that the question was so difficult.

I am sure that we will get posts stating that asking hard questions to atheists is "hate speech."
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Do you believe that atheism is evil, then? Or that atheists, having misunderstood their tenets perhaps, are evil?
I missed your answer to this?
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Sure. Because all those examples of totalitarian regimes that called themselves Marxist were not true Marxists.
Exactly; in the same way that that "National Socialist" party in the late '30s and into the '40s was anything but "socialist."

It's like you're discovering for the first time that names of things sometimes do not describe what the entities in question actually do.
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Do you believe that atheism is evil, then?
Of course atheists are evil!

Without the guiding light of a book to set out morality, how can atheists be anything but evil? Nothing is sacred to atheists - human life is no more valuable than a rock. This is why Chinese atheists have no problem killing the faithful; religionistas are worth less than the rock to an atheist - the rock already doesn't believe in gods.

If only atheists would give away their hard materialism and recognise the truth of the bible, they could give up their amoral lifestyles and do things approved by the bible, like:

Having sex with your children.
Killing non-believers' families, even unto the fourth generation.
Killing an entire generation of babies in a fit of pique.
Killing every child alive that wasn't bred by some Jewish bloke called Noah.

And they'd have to give up their evil habits of shaving and eating crayfish.
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I missed your answer to this?
No you didn’t, I did not bother answering it because it has zero to do with the post.

You see, the post was about the actual human rights violations going on right now in China. My opinion regarding atheists in general is quite inconsequential.

These atheists are clearly monsters. Don’t you agree?
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Hey, great, more fanatical anti-theists comments. Zzzzxxx

Somebody do me a solid, and give me a nudge and let me know when the snowflake storm passes.
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Of course atheists are evil!

Without the guiding light of a book to set out morality, how can atheists be anything but evil? Nothing is sacred to atheists - human life is no more valuable than a rock. This is why Chinese atheists have no problem killing the faithful; religionistas are worth less than the rock to an atheist - the rock already doesn't believe in gods.

If only atheists would give away their hard materialism and recognise the truth of the bible, they could give up their amoral lifestyles and do things approved by the bible, like:

Having sex with your children.
Killing non-believers' families, even unto the fourth generation.
Killing an entire generation of babies in a fit of pique.
Killing every child alive that wasn't bred by some Jewish bloke called Noah.

And they'd have to give up their evil habits of shaving and eating crayfish.
I wear mixed fabrics every day just to make god cry.
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“In the name of atheism I condemn you to death”.

This thread has been a train wreck from the first post, and equally watchable.
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No you didnít, I did not bother answering it because it has zero to do with the post.
False. You never answer messages that bother you. I am waiting for your answer to mine for days. In the same way for others similar.
You just sing a repetitive mantra no matter the others tell you. There is not better deaf that the one that doesn't want hear.
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These atheists are clearly monsters. Donít you agree?
No.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
I am sure that we will get posts stating that asking hard questions to atheists is "hate speech."

You set your hate speech pretty well in the thread title.


The rest from you is either reinforcing it or gaslighting, or a mix, like the post of yours I'm quoting. Evasion and argumentum ad voluminous canine complete the thread scope.
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Old 15th September 2018, 01:23 AM   #393
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Originally Posted by sylvan8798 View Post
I missed your answer to this?
No you didnít, I did not bother answering it because it has zero to do with the post.

You see, the post was about the actual human rights violations going on right now in China. My opinion regarding atheists in general is quite inconsequential.

These atheists are clearly monsters. Donít you agree?

You see: evasion and gaslighting, besides a great deal of argumentum ad voluminous canine.
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Old 15th September 2018, 01:49 AM   #394
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Xiís ĎAtheist Ideology' Driving Crackdown on Chinese Christians

ďI think the motivation primarily comes from the atheist ideology that Chairman Xi Jinping learned during his formative years of the late 1950s and 1960s,Ē said Yang Fenggang, director of the Center on Religion and Chinese Society at Purdue University.
You think a crackpot right wing christian source of bile convinces anyone?

Good luck with that.
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This thread is for the purpose of discussing the ďsignal an alarming escalation in persecution of citizens in China under Xi Jinping. USCIRF condemns the Chinese governmentís ongoing brutal and systematic targeting of religious communities for their beliefs."
That is not your claim and you know it.

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people were outraged that I quoted articles and experts pointing out that Firm Marxist Atheism was a driving factor for Chinese governmentís ongoing brutal and systematic targeting of religious communities for their beliefs
And now we get to the meat. All atheists are evil. Because the RCC.

It is amusing that your pretzel logic has led you to be a defender of islam. When are you converting?
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And they'd have to give up their evil habits of shaving and eating crayfish.

My crayfish allergy is a bitch! I wonder if God is trying to tell me something ...
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the actual ongoing human rights abuses on going today in China
You clearly don't care about the human rights abuses at all. Suppression of religion is your gig here, and you are oddly portraying yourself as a defender of islam, a religion you want to suppress.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
No you didnít, I did not bother answering it because it has zero to do with the post.

You see, the post was about the actual human rights violations going on right now in China. My opinion regarding atheists in general is quite inconsequential.

These atheists are clearly monsters. Donít you agree?
You've made it clear that you find the interrelationship between atheism and the actions of these persons significant. How can it have zero to do with the post, when it is the point you are stressing most? Why are you reluctant to just state your case, clearly and concisely?
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ďIn the name of atheism I condemn you to deathĒ.

This thread has been a train wreck from the first post, and equally watchable.
Well, the second post for sure.

In the name of atheism I demand that you sign this paper renouncing your faith and if not I will put you and a million other Muslims in a detention camp, destroy your churches/mosques and burn your Books.

Those are the facts at issue in this thread with this religious pogrom.

The depth of denial in this thread from the vast majority of the atheists is surprising.
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You've made it clear that you find the interrelationship between atheism and the actions of these persons significant. How can it have zero to do with the post, when it is the point you are stressing most? Why are you reluctant to just state your case, clearly and concisely?
I answered your question. Sorry you did not like the answer.

Why did you just duck my question? Are these atheists acting like monsters?

Yes or no.

Why is so difficult for CCL apologists to stay on topic?
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