Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful - Page 10

Hlafordlaes · 14th September 2018, 09:39 AM

Too bad it is difficult for some to understand everyone is an atheist. Even TBD, who disrespects Magog by all his Bible-waving, for example: Abrahamic nonsense mythology for the clueless or wanton. Get-rich-quick schemes like Magog's are so much more down-to-Earth and practical. Given the many, many, many millions deaths at the hands of the followers of Abraham, anyone so professing is admitting to being bent on pure evil, bereft of the dimmest notion of morality.

Magog for the win. Down with murderous Middle-eastern monotheists.

Crossbow · 14th September 2018, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

Seriously, how is it humanly possible to go from this:

To this

I never made this claim, nor has anyone made such a claim.

The posts by the atheist apologists in this thread are stunning in how disingenuous they are.

Once again, 'The Big Dog' is dodging his own issues.

As far as I know, here is a list of nations in the world which are officially atheist nations:

China, and
Vietnam.

However, I have not found any nations which actually require its inhabitants to actually be atheists.

The Big Dog · 14th September 2018, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by Hlafordlaes

Too bad it is difficult for some to understand everyone is an atheist. Even TBD, who disrespects Magog by all his Bible-waving, for example: Abrahamic nonsense mythology for the clueless or wanton. Get-rich-quick schemes like Magog's are so much more down-to-Earth and practical. Given the many, many, many millions deaths at the hands of the followers of Abraham, anyone so professing is admitting to being bent on pure evil, bereft of the dimmest notion of morality.

Magog for the win. Down with murderous Middle-eastern monotheists.

Say, again, who sees the flaw in the above quoted post?

Nope, I am not talking about the blatant whatsboutism derail nonsense (although obvious)

Here is another hint for y'all: "A."

Dr. Keith · 14th September 2018, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by sylvan8798

I haven't followed TBD on other forum threads, so I'm not clear on where this is all supposed to be going?

Atheist are murderers.

Murderers are worse than pedophiles.

Therefore, Catholics are better than atheist.

But to be clear, that's not really where it is going, that is where it starts. Where it goes is really up to you. Also, pointing out unintentional dick jokes along the way is not very respectful to all the priest who didn't rape anyone and were just part of the cover-up.

The Big Dog · 14th September 2018, 10:00 AM

here is where this thread is going:

China is in the middle of a brutal due to Atheists policies promoted by Xi.

Apologists desperate to derail the subject have brought up blatant whataboutism (the attacks on catholic priests just being the most common) and have accused people of pointing out the facts of hate speech and slander and more while repeating blatant propaganda.

To sum up, our correspondents are much more concerned about posters highlighting the role the atheism is playing here (to the point of wishing actual physical harm on me) than the actual ongoing human rights abuses on going today in China.

this is what I refer to as a dream thread, in that the "arguments" in opposition to my posts are so terrible, specious, offensive and ignorant, that I barely have to lift a finger to get the brutal pogrom apologists in the bottom of the hole drilling away as the hole gets deeper and fills with sewage.

Dr. Keith · 14th September 2018, 10:17 AM

With just 131 more posts, you too can keep our south american friend's prediction. Only you can help prove that aleCowan is psychic!

Mycroft · 14th September 2018, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by The Norseman

Um... you can't have Marxism and totalitarianism at the same time. China has nothing really to do with Marxism, just a form of capitalism and totalitarianism.

Sure. Because all those examples of totalitarian regimes that called themselves Marxist were not true Marxists.

sylvan8798 · 14th September 2018, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

here is where this thread is going:

China is in the middle of a brutal due to Atheists policies promoted by Xi.

Apologists desperate to derail the subject have brought up blatant whataboutism (the attacks on catholic priests just being the most common) and have accused people of pointing out the facts of hate speech and slander and more while repeating blatant propaganda.

To sum up, our correspondents are much more concerned about posters highlighting the role the atheism is playing here (to the point of wishing actual physical harm on me) than the actual ongoing human rights abuses on going today in China.

Do you believe that atheism is evil, then? Or that atheists, having misunderstood their tenets perhaps, are evil?

Minoosh · 14th September 2018, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

Xi’s ‘Atheist Ideology' Driving Crackdown on Chinese Christians

“I think the motivation primarily comes from the atheist ideology that Chairman Xi Jinping learned during his formative years of the late 1950s and 1960s,” said Yang Fenggang, director of the Center on Religion and Chinese Society at Purdue University.

From what I know of China, their "god" is China. Mao was revered as a god, though I don't know if he was purported to have supernatural powers. Xi may be aiming for the same status. According to that ideology the Chinese would consider Christians to be the idolaters, for putting God over country. That's very threatening to the powers that be.

But the Christians will have the last laugh, if it turns out they're right about the rewards in heaven. Xi et al. will burn in hell forever. As will more than a billion other Chinese, including Muslims, Buddhist etc. That has to be some consolation, doesn't it?

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

To sum up, our correspondents are much more concerned about posters highlighting the role the atheism is playing here (to the point of wishing actual physical harm on me) than the actual ongoing human rights abuses on going today in China.

You're the one who highlighted it, Dog. Does it surprise you that some people here don't believe you post in good faith? That you framed the issue the way you did specifically to elicit this response? Well, it worked. Well done.

Minoosh · 14th September 2018, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

Oh dear, the ridiculous "hate speech" claims raise their ridiculous head again.

"loaded" title, wow.

You reap what you sow; why does that surprise you?

dann · 14th September 2018, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

... the pesky Marxist are not "promoting Christianity" they are perverting Christianity to promote "core socialist values, patriotism and Chinese history."

Well, the pesky Chinese Marxists aren't even promoting Marxism, nor do they promote atheism. They are perverting both to promote Chinese nationalism.
When they say that they're promoting Christianity, you don't believe them. Instead you claim that they're perverting it.
However, when they say that they're Marxists and/or atheists, there isn't the slightest doubt in your mind that they're telling the truth. Why do you have so much faith in these guys?!

(And I would still like to know: Now that I've shown you that when Karl Marx mentions the destruction of churches in Capital at all, he is usually referring to cases where kings, noblemen and capitalists robbed the Catholic Church in England in the name of Protestantism! Has that taught you anything at all? Has it made you change any of the ideas you had about the alleged Marxist Atheist Bible?!)

The Big Dog · 14th September 2018, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Minoosh

You reap what you sow; why does that surprise you?

saying that this thread is "hate speech" is the most over the top fabrication of victimhood one is likely to ever see

Crossbow · 14th September 2018, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

here is where this thread is going:

China is in the middle of a brutal due to Atheists policies promoted by Xi.

Apologists desperate to derail the subject have brought up blatant whataboutism (the attacks on catholic priests just being the most common) and have accused people of pointing out the facts of hate speech and slander and more while repeating blatant propaganda.

To sum up, our correspondents are much more concerned about posters highlighting the role the atheism is playing here (to the point of wishing actual physical harm on me) than the actual ongoing human rights abuses on going today in China.

this is what I refer to as a dream thread, in that the "arguments" in opposition to my posts are so terrible, specious, offensive and ignorant, that I barely have to lift a finger to get the brutal pogrom apologists in the bottom of the hole drilling away as the hole gets deeper and fills with sewage.

If the situation is really so very horrible for you, then have your god sort it out for you.

dann · 14th September 2018, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Mycroft

Sure. Because all those examples of totalitarian regimes that called themselves Marxist were not true Marxists.

Yes, now you're getting it! They not only weren't true Marxists, they weren't Marxists at all. Have you never encountered anybody in this world who claimed to be something that they turned out not to be?!
I recommend that you read Capital. You only risk finding out what Marxism actually is.

Doubt · 14th September 2018, 02:41 PM

I have not read all ten pages of this thread. But I have spent time in China.

The state wants to control religion rather than destroy it. They view independent religion as a threat. State controlled religion is a tool for controlling the population. Those that are being persecuted are those that are not part of the state controlled churches.

The real problem is not an atheist state. It is a state where there is no separation of church and state.

http://catholicherald.co.uk/news/201...holic-church1/

aleCcowaN · 14th September 2018, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

Nope, I am not talking about the blatant whatsboutism derail nonsense (although obvious)

Here is another hint for y'all: "A."

What's the real difference between posts of yours like that and speaking in tongues?

Dr. Keith · 14th September 2018, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by aleCcowaN

What's the real difference between posts of yours like that and speaking in tongues?

Entertainment value?

The Big Dog · 14th September 2018, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

Entertainment value?

Deliberately obtuse? Not a good look, nor is desperately evading the issue. Case in point, try to figure out was wrong with the post i was replying to in "saying atheist is hate speech's" post.

fagin · 14th September 2018, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

Entertainment value?

That wanes quickly after TBD's 10 millionth wiggle.

aleCcowaN · 14th September 2018, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

Entertainment value?

Does making so little sense have entertainment value?

Trebuchet · 14th September 2018, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by aleCcowaN

What's the real difference between posts of yours like that and ~~speaking~~ barking in tongues?

FTFY

The Big Dog · 14th September 2018, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Hlafordlaes

Too bad it is difficult for some to understand everyone is an atheist. Even TBD, who disrespects Magog by all his Bible-waving, for example: Abrahamic nonsense mythology for the clueless or wanton. Get-rich-quick schemes like Magog's are so much more down-to-Earth and practical. Given the many, many, many millions deaths at the hands of the followers of Abraham, anyone so professing is admitting to being bent on pure evil, bereft of the dimmest notion of morality.

Magog for the win. Down with murderous Middle-eastern monotheists.

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

Say, again, who sees the flaw in the above quoted post?

Nope, I am not talking about the blatant whatsboutism derail nonsense (although obvious)

Here is another hint for y'all: "A."

Oh man, I see that the "skeptics" are baffled by what possibly could be the flaw(s) in the quoted post. The answer is of course is that not believing in Magog does not make you an atheist where one believes in the God of Abraham. Sorry that the question was so difficult.

I am sure that we will get posts stating that asking hard questions to atheists is "hate speech."

sylvan8798 · 14th September 2018, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by sylvan8798

Do you believe that atheism is evil, then? Or that atheists, having misunderstood their tenets perhaps, are evil?

I missed your answer to this?

The Norseman · 14th September 2018, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by Mycroft

Sure. Because all those examples of totalitarian regimes that called themselves Marxist were not true Marxists.

Exactly; in the same way that that "National Socialist" party in the late '30s and into the '40s was anything but "socialist."

It's like you're discovering for the first time that names of things sometimes do not describe what the entities in question actually do.

The Atheist · 14th September 2018, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by sylvan8798

Do you believe that atheism is evil, then?

Of course atheists are evil!

Without the guiding light of a book to set out morality, how can atheists be anything but evil? Nothing is sacred to atheists - human life is no more valuable than a rock. This is why Chinese atheists have no problem killing the faithful; religionistas are worth less than the rock to an atheist - the rock already doesn't believe in gods.

If only atheists would give away their hard materialism and recognise the truth of the bible, they could give up their amoral lifestyles and do things approved by the bible, like:

Having sex with your children.
Killing non-believers' families, even unto the fourth generation.
Killing an entire generation of babies in a fit of pique.
Killing every child alive that wasn't bred by some Jewish bloke called Noah.

And they'd have to give up their evil habits of shaving and eating crayfish.

The Big Dog · 14th September 2018, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by sylvan8798

I missed your answer to this?

No you didn’t, I did not bother answering it because it has zero to do with the post.

You see, the post was about the actual human rights violations going on right now in China. My opinion regarding atheists in general is quite inconsequential.

These atheists are clearly monsters. Don’t you agree?

The Big Dog · 14th September 2018, 06:33 PM

Hey, great, more fanatical anti-theists comments. Zzzzxxx

Somebody do me a solid, and give me a nudge and let me know when the snowflake storm passes.

Nay_Sayer · 14th September 2018, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

Of course atheists are evil!

Without the guiding light of a book to set out morality, how can atheists be anything but evil? Nothing is sacred to atheists - human life is no more valuable than a rock. This is why Chinese atheists have no problem killing the faithful; religionistas are worth less than the rock to an atheist - the rock already doesn't believe in gods.

If only atheists would give away their hard materialism and recognise the truth of the bible, they could give up their amoral lifestyles and do things approved by the bible, like:

Having sex with your children.
Killing non-believers' families, even unto the fourth generation.
Killing an entire generation of babies in a fit of pique.
Killing every child alive that wasn't bred by some Jewish bloke called Noah.

And they'd have to give up their evil habits of shaving and eating crayfish.

I wear mixed fabrics every day just to make god cry.

lionking · 14th September 2018, 11:11 PM

“In the name of atheism I condemn you to death”.

This thread has been a train wreck from the first post, and equally watchable.

David Mo · 14th September 2018, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

No you didn’t, I did not bother answering it because it has zero to do with the post.

False. You never answer messages that bother you. I am waiting for your answer to mine for days. In the same way for others similar.
You just sing a repetitive mantra no matter the others tell you. There is not better deaf that the one that doesn't want hear.

David Mo · 14th September 2018, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

These atheists are clearly monsters. Don’t you agree?

No.

aleCcowaN · 15th September 2018, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

I am sure that we will get posts stating that asking hard questions to atheists is "hate speech."

You set your hate speech pretty well in the thread title.

The rest from you is either reinforcing it or gaslighting, or a mix, like the post of yours I'm quoting. Evasion and argumentum ad voluminous canine complete the thread scope.

aleCcowaN · 15th September 2018, 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

Originally Posted by sylvan8798

I missed your answer to this?

No you didn’t, I did not bother answering it because it has zero to do with the post.

You see, the post was about the actual human rights violations going on right now in China. My opinion regarding atheists in general is quite inconsequential.

These atheists are clearly monsters. Don’t you agree?

You see: evasion and gaslighting, besides a great deal of argumentum ad voluminous canine.

abaddon · 15th September 2018, 01:49 AM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

Xi’s ‘Atheist Ideology' Driving Crackdown on Chinese Christians

“I think the motivation primarily comes from the atheist ideology that Chairman Xi Jinping learned during his formative years of the late 1950s and 1960s,” said Yang Fenggang, director of the Center on Religion and Chinese Society at Purdue University.

You think a crackpot right wing christian source of bile convinces anyone?

Good luck with that.

abaddon · 15th September 2018, 01:56 AM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

This thread is for the purpose of discussing the “signal an alarming escalation in persecution of citizens in China under Xi Jinping. USCIRF condemns the Chinese government’s ongoing brutal and systematic targeting of religious communities for their beliefs."

That is not your claim and you know it.

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

people were outraged that I quoted articles and experts pointing out that Firm Marxist Atheism was a driving factor for Chinese government’s ongoing brutal and systematic targeting of religious communities for their beliefs

And now we get to the meat. All atheists are evil. Because the RCC.

It is amusing that your pretzel logic has led you to be a defender of islam. When are you converting?

dann · 15th September 2018, 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

And they'd have to give up their evil habits of shaving and eating crayfish.

My crayfish allergy is a bitch! I wonder if God is trying to tell me something ...

abaddon · 15th September 2018, 03:10 AM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

the actual ongoing human rights abuses on going today in China

You clearly don't care about the human rights abuses at all. Suppression of religion is your gig here, and you are oddly portraying yourself as a defender of islam, a religion you want to suppress.

sylvan8798 · 15th September 2018, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

No you didn’t, I did not bother answering it because it has zero to do with the post.

You see, the post was about the actual human rights violations going on right now in China. My opinion regarding atheists in general is quite inconsequential.

These atheists are clearly monsters. Don’t you agree?

You've made it clear that you find the interrelationship between atheism and the actions of these persons significant. How can it have zero to do with the post, when it is the point you are stressing most? Why are you reluctant to just state your case, clearly and concisely?

The Big Dog · 15th September 2018, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by lionking

“In the name of atheism I condemn you to death”.

This thread has been a train wreck from the first post, and equally watchable.

Well, the second post for sure.

In the name of atheism I demand that you sign this paper renouncing your faith and if not I will put you and a million other Muslims in a detention camp, destroy your churches/mosques and burn your Books.

Those are the facts at issue in this thread with this religious pogrom.

The depth of denial in this thread from the vast majority of the atheists is surprising.

The Big Dog · 15th September 2018, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by sylvan8798

You've made it clear that you find the interrelationship between atheism and the actions of these persons significant. How can it have zero to do with the post, when it is the point you are stressing most? Why are you reluctant to just state your case, clearly and concisely?

I answered your question. Sorry you did not like the answer.

Why did you just duck my question? Are these atheists acting like monsters?

Yes or no.

Why is so difficult for CCL apologists to stay on topic?

14th September 2018, 09:39 AM	#361
Hlafordlaes Disorder of Kilopi Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: State of Flux Posts: 9,431	Too bad it is difficult for some to understand everyone is an atheist. Even TBD, who disrespects Magog by all his Bible-waving, for example: Abrahamic nonsense mythology for the clueless or wanton. Get-rich-quick schemes like Magog's are so much more down-to-Earth and practical. Given the many, many, many millions deaths at the hands of the followers of Abraham, anyone so professing is admitting to being bent on pure evil, bereft of the dimmest notion of morality. Magog for the win. Down with murderous Middle-eastern monotheists.
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14th September 2018, 09:41 AM	#362
Crossbow Seeking Honesty and Sanity Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 12,296	Originally Posted by The Big Dog Seriously, how is it humanly possible to go from this: To this I never made this claim, nor has anyone made such a claim. The posts by the atheist apologists in this thread are stunning in how disingenuous they are. Once again, 'The Big Dog' is dodging his own issues. As far as I know, here is a list of nations in the world which are officially atheist nations: China, and Vietnam. However, I have not found any nations which actually require its inhabitants to actually be atheists.
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14th September 2018, 09:51 AM	#363
The Big Dog Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 28,932	Originally Posted by Hlafordlaes Too bad it is difficult for some to understand everyone is an atheist. Even TBD, who disrespects Magog by all his Bible-waving, for example: Abrahamic nonsense mythology for the clueless or wanton. Get-rich-quick schemes like Magog's are so much more down-to-Earth and practical. Given the many, many, many millions deaths at the hands of the followers of Abraham, anyone so professing is admitting to being bent on pure evil, bereft of the dimmest notion of morality. Magog for the win. Down with murderous Middle-eastern monotheists. Say, again, who sees the flaw in the above quoted post? Nope, I am not talking about the blatant whatsboutism derail nonsense (although obvious) Here is another hint for y'all: "A."
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14th September 2018, 09:51 AM	#364
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 17,780	Originally Posted by sylvan8798 I haven't followed TBD on other forum threads, so I'm not clear on where this is all supposed to be going? Atheist are murderers. Murderers are worse than pedophiles. Therefore, Catholics are better than atheist. But to be clear, that's not really where it is going, that is where it starts. Where it goes is really up to you. Also, pointing out unintentional dick jokes along the way is not very respectful to all the priest who didn't rape anyone and were just part of the cover-up.
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14th September 2018, 10:00 AM	#365
The Big Dog Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 28,932	here is where this thread is going: China is in the middle of a brutal due to Atheists policies promoted by Xi. Apologists desperate to derail the subject have brought up blatant whataboutism (the attacks on catholic priests just being the most common) and have accused people of pointing out the facts of hate speech and slander and more while repeating blatant propaganda. To sum up, our correspondents are much more concerned about posters highlighting the role the atheism is playing here (to the point of wishing actual physical harm on me) than the actual ongoing human rights abuses on going today in China. this is what I refer to as a dream thread, in that the "arguments" in opposition to my posts are so terrible, specious, offensive and ignorant, that I barely have to lift a finger to get the brutal pogrom apologists in the bottom of the hole drilling away as the hole gets deeper and fills with sewage.
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14th September 2018, 10:17 AM	#366
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14th September 2018, 11:25 AM	#367
Mycroft High Priest of Ed Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,372	Originally Posted by The Norseman Um... you can't have Marxism and totalitarianism at the same time. China has nothing really to do with Marxism, just a form of capitalism and totalitarianism. Sure. Because all those examples of totalitarian regimes that called themselves Marxist were not true Marxists.
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14th September 2018, 11:30 AM	#368
sylvan8798 Master Poster Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2,844	Originally Posted by The Big Dog here is where this thread is going: China is in the middle of a brutal due to Atheists policies promoted by Xi. Apologists desperate to derail the subject have brought up blatant whataboutism (the attacks on catholic priests just being the most common) and have accused people of pointing out the facts of hate speech and slander and more while repeating blatant propaganda. To sum up, our correspondents are much more concerned about posters highlighting the role the atheism is playing here (to the point of wishing actual physical harm on me) than the actual ongoing human rights abuses on going today in China. Do you believe that atheism is evil, then? Or that atheists, having misunderstood their tenets perhaps, are evil?
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14th September 2018, 11:39 AM	#369
Minoosh Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 8,593	Originally Posted by The Big Dog Xi’s ‘Atheist Ideology' Driving Crackdown on Chinese Christians “I think the motivation primarily comes from the atheist ideology that Chairman Xi Jinping learned during his formative years of the late 1950s and 1960s,” said Yang Fenggang, director of the Center on Religion and Chinese Society at Purdue University. From what I know of China, their "god" is China. Mao was revered as a god, though I don't know if he was purported to have supernatural powers. Xi may be aiming for the same status. According to that ideology the Chinese would consider Christians to be the idolaters, for putting God over country. That's very threatening to the powers that be. But the Christians will have the last laugh, if it turns out they're right about the rewards in heaven. Xi et al. will burn in hell forever. As will more than a billion other Chinese, including Muslims, Buddhist etc. That has to be some consolation, doesn't it? Originally Posted by The Big Dog To sum up, our correspondents are much more concerned about posters highlighting the role the atheism is playing here (to the point of wishing actual physical harm on me) than the actual ongoing human rights abuses on going today in China. You're the one who highlighted it, Dog. Does it surprise you that some people here don't believe you post in good faith? That you framed the issue the way you did specifically to elicit this response? Well, it worked. Well done.
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14th September 2018, 11:51 AM	#370
Minoosh Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 8,593	Originally Posted by The Big Dog Oh dear, the ridiculous "hate speech" claims raise their ridiculous head again. "loaded" title, wow. You reap what you sow; why does that surprise you?
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14th September 2018, 11:58 AM	#371
dann Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6,458	Originally Posted by The Big Dog ... the pesky Marxist are not "promoting Christianity" they are perverting Christianity to promote "core socialist values, patriotism and Chinese history." Well, the pesky Chinese Marxists aren't even promoting Marxism, nor do they promote atheism. They are perverting both to promote Chinese nationalism. When they say that they're promoting Christianity, you don't believe them. Instead you claim that they're perverting it. However, when they say that they're Marxists and/or atheists, there isn't the slightest doubt in your mind that they're telling the truth. Why do you have so much faith in these guys?! (And I would still like to know: Now that I've shown you that when Karl Marx mentions the destruction of churches in Capital at all, he is usually referring to cases where kings, noblemen and capitalists robbed the Catholic Church in England in the name of Protestantism! Has that taught you anything at all? Has it made you change any of the ideas you had about the alleged Marxist Atheist Bible?!)
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14th September 2018, 12:10 PM	#372
The Big Dog Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 28,932	Originally Posted by Minoosh You reap what you sow; why does that surprise you? saying that this thread is "hate speech" is the most over the top fabrication of victimhood one is likely to ever see
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14th September 2018, 12:11 PM	#373
Crossbow Seeking Honesty and Sanity Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 12,296	Originally Posted by The Big Dog here is where this thread is going: China is in the middle of a brutal due to Atheists policies promoted by Xi. Apologists desperate to derail the subject have brought up blatant whataboutism (the attacks on catholic priests just being the most common) and have accused people of pointing out the facts of hate speech and slander and more while repeating blatant propaganda. To sum up, our correspondents are much more concerned about posters highlighting the role the atheism is playing here (to the point of wishing actual physical harm on me) than the actual ongoing human rights abuses on going today in China. this is what I refer to as a dream thread, in that the "arguments" in opposition to my posts are so terrible, specious, offensive and ignorant, that I barely have to lift a finger to get the brutal pogrom apologists in the bottom of the hole drilling away as the hole gets deeper and fills with sewage. If the situation is really so very horrible for you, then have your god sort it out for you.
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14th September 2018, 12:12 PM	#374
dann Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6,458	Originally Posted by Mycroft Sure. Because all those examples of totalitarian regimes that called themselves Marxist were not true Marxists. Yes, now you're getting it! They not only weren't true Marxists, they weren't Marxists at all. Have you never encountered anybody in this world who claimed to be something that they turned out not to be?! I recommend that you read Capital. You only risk finding out what Marxism actually is.
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14th September 2018, 02:41 PM	#375
Doubt Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,864	I have not read all ten pages of this thread. But I have spent time in China. The state wants to control religion rather than destroy it. They view independent religion as a threat. State controlled religion is a tool for controlling the population. Those that are being persecuted are those that are not part of the state controlled churches. The real problem is not an atheist state. It is a state where there is no separation of church and state. http://catholicherald.co.uk/news/201...holic-church1/
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14th September 2018, 03:26 PM	#376
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,432	Originally Posted by The Big Dog Nope, I am not talking about the blatant whatsboutism derail nonsense (although obvious) Here is another hint for y'all: "A." What's the real difference between posts of yours like that and speaking in tongues?
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14th September 2018, 03:42 PM	#377
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 17,780	Originally Posted by aleCcowaN What's the real difference between posts of yours like that and speaking in tongues? Entertainment value?
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14th September 2018, 04:07 PM	#378
The Big Dog Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 28,932	Originally Posted by Dr. Keith Entertainment value? Deliberately obtuse? Not a good look, nor is desperately evading the issue. Case in point, try to figure out was wrong with the post i was replying to in "saying atheist is hate speech's" post.
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14th September 2018, 04:22 PM	#379
fagin Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: As far away from casebro as possible. Posts: 7,044	Originally Posted by Dr. Keith Entertainment value? That wanes quickly after TBD's 10 millionth wiggle.
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14th September 2018, 04:23 PM	#380
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,432	Originally Posted by Dr. Keith Entertainment value? Does making so little sense have entertainment value?
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14th September 2018, 04:33 PM	#381
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwet Posts: 19,975	Originally Posted by aleCcowaN What's the real difference between posts of yours like that and ~~speaking~~ barking in tongues? FTFY
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14th September 2018, 05:41 PM	#382
The Big Dog Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 28,932	Originally Posted by Hlafordlaes Too bad it is difficult for some to understand everyone is an atheist. Even TBD, who disrespects Magog by all his Bible-waving, for example: Abrahamic nonsense mythology for the clueless or wanton. Get-rich-quick schemes like Magog's are so much more down-to-Earth and practical. Given the many, many, many millions deaths at the hands of the followers of Abraham, anyone so professing is admitting to being bent on pure evil, bereft of the dimmest notion of morality. Magog for the win. Down with murderous Middle-eastern monotheists. Originally Posted by The Big Dog Say, again, who sees the flaw in the above quoted post? Nope, I am not talking about the blatant whatsboutism derail nonsense (although obvious) Here is another hint for y'all: "A." Oh man, I see that the "skeptics" are baffled by what possibly could be the flaw(s) in the quoted post. The answer is of course is that not believing in Magog does not make you an atheist where one believes in the God of Abraham. Sorry that the question was so difficult. I am sure that we will get posts stating that asking hard questions to atheists is "hate speech."
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14th September 2018, 06:05 PM	#383
sylvan8798 Master Poster Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2,844	Originally Posted by sylvan8798 Do you believe that atheism is evil, then? Or that atheists, having misunderstood their tenets perhaps, are evil? I missed your answer to this?
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14th September 2018, 06:20 PM	#384
The Norseman Meandering fecklessly Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,111	Originally Posted by Mycroft Sure. Because all those examples of totalitarian regimes that called themselves Marxist were not true Marxists. Exactly; in the same way that that "National Socialist" party in the late '30s and into the '40s was anything but "socialist." It's like you're discovering for the first time that names of things sometimes do not describe what the entities in question actually do.

14th September 2018, 06:27 PM	#385
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 21,538	Originally Posted by sylvan8798 Do you believe that atheism is evil, then? Of course atheists are evil! Without the guiding light of a book to set out morality, how can atheists be anything but evil? Nothing is sacred to atheists - human life is no more valuable than a rock. This is why Chinese atheists have no problem killing the faithful; religionistas are worth less than the rock to an atheist - the rock already doesn't believe in gods. If only atheists would give away their hard materialism and recognise the truth of the bible, they could give up their amoral lifestyles and do things approved by the bible, like: Having sex with your children. Killing non-believers' families, even unto the fourth generation. Killing an entire generation of babies in a fit of pique. Killing every child alive that wasn't bred by some Jewish bloke called Noah. And they'd have to give up their evil habits of shaving and eating crayfish.
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14th September 2018, 06:29 PM	#386
The Big Dog Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 28,932	Originally Posted by sylvan8798 I missed your answer to this? No you didn’t, I did not bother answering it because it has zero to do with the post. You see, the post was about the actual human rights violations going on right now in China. My opinion regarding atheists in general is quite inconsequential. These atheists are clearly monsters. Don’t you agree?
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14th September 2018, 06:33 PM	#387
The Big Dog Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 28,932	Hey, great, more fanatical anti-theists comments. Zzzzxxx Somebody do me a solid, and give me a nudge and let me know when the snowflake storm passes.
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14th September 2018, 08:45 PM	#388
Nay_Sayer I say nay! Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 3,590	Originally Posted by The Atheist Of course atheists are evil! Without the guiding light of a book to set out morality, how can atheists be anything but evil? Nothing is sacred to atheists - human life is no more valuable than a rock. This is why Chinese atheists have no problem killing the faithful; religionistas are worth less than the rock to an atheist - the rock already doesn't believe in gods. If only atheists would give away their hard materialism and recognise the truth of the bible, they could give up their amoral lifestyles and do things approved by the bible, like: Having sex with your children. Killing non-believers' families, even unto the fourth generation. Killing an entire generation of babies in a fit of pique. Killing every child alive that wasn't bred by some Jewish bloke called Noah. And they'd have to give up their evil habits of shaving and eating crayfish. I wear mixed fabrics every day just to make god cry.
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14th September 2018, 11:11 PM	#389
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 43,010	“In the name of atheism I condemn you to death”. This thread has been a train wreck from the first post, and equally watchable.
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14th September 2018, 11:38 PM	#390
David Mo Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Somewhere on the Greenwich meridian Posts: 3,605	Originally Posted by The Big Dog No you didn’t, I did not bother answering it because it has zero to do with the post. False. You never answer messages that bother you. I am waiting for your answer to mine for days. In the same way for others similar. You just sing a repetitive mantra no matter the others tell you. There is not better deaf that the one that doesn't want hear.

14th September 2018, 11:40 PM	#391
David Mo Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Somewhere on the Greenwich meridian Posts: 3,605	Originally Posted by The Big Dog These atheists are clearly monsters. Don’t you agree? No.

15th September 2018, 01:20 AM	#392
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,432	Originally Posted by The Big Dog I am sure that we will get posts stating that asking hard questions to atheists is "hate speech." You set your hate speech pretty well in the thread title. The rest from you is either reinforcing it or gaslighting, or a mix, like the post of yours I'm quoting. Evasion and argumentum ad voluminous canine complete the thread scope.
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15th September 2018, 01:23 AM	#393
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,432	Originally Posted by The Big Dog Originally Posted by sylvan8798 I missed your answer to this? No you didn’t, I did not bother answering it because it has zero to do with the post. You see, the post was about the actual human rights violations going on right now in China. My opinion regarding atheists in general is quite inconsequential. These atheists are clearly monsters. Don’t you agree? You see: evasion and gaslighting, besides a great deal of argumentum ad voluminous canine.
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15th September 2018, 01:49 AM	#394
abaddon Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 18,263	Originally Posted by The Big Dog Xi’s ‘Atheist Ideology' Driving Crackdown on Chinese Christians “I think the motivation primarily comes from the atheist ideology that Chairman Xi Jinping learned during his formative years of the late 1950s and 1960s,” said Yang Fenggang, director of the Center on Religion and Chinese Society at Purdue University. You think a crackpot right wing christian source of bile convinces anyone? Good luck with that.
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15th September 2018, 01:56 AM	#395
abaddon Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 18,263	Originally Posted by The Big Dog This thread is for the purpose of discussing the “signal an alarming escalation in persecution of citizens in China under Xi Jinping. USCIRF condemns the Chinese government’s ongoing brutal and systematic targeting of religious communities for their beliefs." That is not your claim and you know it. Originally Posted by The Big Dog people were outraged that I quoted articles and experts pointing out that Firm Marxist Atheism was a driving factor for Chinese government’s ongoing brutal and systematic targeting of religious communities for their beliefs And now we get to the meat. All atheists are evil. Because the RCC. It is amusing that your pretzel logic has led you to be a defender of islam. When are you converting?
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