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Old 17th September 2018, 09:14 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by kellyb View Post
Why not?
Eminent domain is thievery. Case in point: using it to get a parking lot for your Atlantic City casino.

Anyway, this is all a distraction. The main thing is the OP has not in any way been proven. It is a baseless accusation.
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Old 17th September 2018, 09:16 AM   #82
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Why not?
Because I'm not in favor of stealing. Let's take your home. Or one of your rental properties. Or confiscate the goods in a store you own.
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Old 17th September 2018, 09:28 AM   #83
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Agreed.

Look at it this way: John Kerry's State Department approved the expense for what was then UN Ambassador Susan Power's residence. At the time, Kerry probably thought he had every reason to believe Power would continue on as ambassador, at least into the beginning of Clinton's first term. The curtains were intended for Power, or someone very much like her.
Is Absolute her middle name? Then she's totally corrupt.
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Old 17th September 2018, 09:54 AM   #84
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
Is Absolute her middle name? Then she's totally corrupt.
No, her middle name is Puppy. She's a scrappy sort.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Agreed.

Look at it this way: John Kerry's State Department approved the expense for what was then UN Ambassador Susan Power's residence. At the time, Kerry probably thought he had every reason to believe Power would continue on as ambassador, at least into the beginning of Clinton's first term. The curtains were intended for Power, or someone very much like her.
Samantha Power.
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Old 17th September 2018, 10:00 AM   #86
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Samantha Power.
That's what he said. Samantha A. Power.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Yeah, I'll go with that.

I'm sorry but a ~$60K/month apartment and tens of thousands of dollars for motorized drapes is the swamp Trump implied he was draining. You either go into a job like that and say, well, since it's what all the other guys got, who am I to question?

Or you look at the campaign promises Trump made, the POTUS that appointed you, and you put your foot down, stopping extravagant spending. She chose to drink it up just like the rest of them that the administration she joined promised to drain.
The National Review addresses this point as well:
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Previous ambassadors, including Obama administration diplomats Samantha Power and Susan Rice, lived in a penthouse at the Waldorf Astoria, where the monthly rent ran as high as $135,000.

Haley and her family currently rent a luxury condo at 50 United Nations Plaza, near the United Nations building in Manhattan.

“The U.S. Mission [to the UN] leases Ambassador Haley’s residence at a considerable costs savings from our prior residence at the Waldorf-Astoria,” a Mission spokesperson said.
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This is turning into one of those classic woo turnabouts where the claim, when examined, turns out to be the opposite of what the woo claimant intended.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
This is turning into one of those classic woo turnabouts where the claim, when examined, turns out to be the opposite of what the woo claimant intended.
Perhaps the curtains will turn out to be illegally imported from North Korea or Iran, that would inject some juice into this increasingly dessicated scandal.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
This is turning into one of those classic woo turnabouts where the claim, when examined, turns out to be the opposite of what the woo claimant intended.
Pictures of the five-bedroom apartment with very large windows, in a building where another unit was recently offered for sale for $70 million. (Pix of the old place too.) This is highest-end Manhattan real estate. You don't buy the curtains at Target.
https://streeteasy.com/blog/nikki-ha...ria-tradition/
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Yeah, I'll go with that.

I'm sorry but a ~$60K/month apartment and tens of thousands of dollars for motorized drapes is the swamp Trump implied he was draining. You either go into a job like that and say, well, since it's what all the other guys got, who am I to question?

Or you look at the campaign promises Trump made, the POTUS that appointed you, and you put your foot down, stopping extravagant spending. She chose to drink it up just like the rest of them that the administration she joined promised to drain.
I'm not sure Trump can be reasonably expected to go back in time to prevent silly expenditures.
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Old 17th September 2018, 10:38 AM   #92
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
Pictures of the five-bedroom apartment with very large windows, in a building where another unit was recently offered for sale for $70 million. (Pix of the old place too.) This is highest-end Manhattan real estate. You don't buy the curtains at Target.
https://streeteasy.com/blog/nikki-ha...ria-tradition/
If they can't afford Target curtains, they can nail up big bath towels. Or American flags, perennial favorite curtains for basement apartment windows. Very suitable for a US ambassador!

At the very least it'd lend strength to the US position of not having money to hand out.
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Judging from the description, I'd guess the apartment is probably like this one. A far cry from a studio walk-up. (Click on the floor plan.)
https://streeteasy.com/building/50-u...ons-plaza/ph38
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Apparently it is designed by Norman Foster, if so she'll need some buckets when the roof leaks, or at least that's my experience of one of his designs!
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I'm not sure Trump can be reasonably expected to go back in time to prevent silly expenditures.

It would be a misuse of Presidential time to even have him looking at this level of detail. Not sure even his cabinet members should be.
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They have cut housing expenses for the UN position by 50% since the Waldorf Astoria was sold to a chinese company in 2015.

Kudos to federal cost-cutters.

https://streeteasy.com/blog/nikki-ha...ria-tradition/
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It would be a misuse of Presidential time to even have him looking at this level of detail. Not sure even his cabinet members should be.
The Secretary of State may have some responsibility to control costs in their department. But it's certainly not the job of an ambassador to vet State Department contracts.
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It's actually too late for predictions.
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
That's what he said. Samantha A. Power.
Huh!? What!?

Anyway, maybe the confusion came from Samantha Power and Susan Rice. When this story is made into a movie “The Swamp That Nikki Built” Susan Power will be an amalgam character.
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The Secretary of State may have some responsibility to control costs in their department. But it's certainly not the job of an ambassador to vet State Department contracts.
There are very limited properties in Manhattan that have the requirements needed for the UN Ambassador.

Square footage to host foreign delegation.

Security protocols necessary for such a position and gatherings that take place with world leaders.

Proximity to the UN for meetings and votes.

The budget for such a place will seem exorbitant to the person living in a 1200 square foot ranch in Wayne County Michigan, however.
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Turns out everything in the above post is bull ****.

“The story noted that the plans to buy the curtains were in the works before Haley was appointed to her position by President Donald Trump, and the decision — in which Haley, the former governor of South Carolina, had no input — was made in 2016, when Trump’s predecessor Barack Obama was in office”

https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/09/...r-nikki-haley/

Why bother doing basic research when one can call someone corrupt?
Probably fake news. I am told Snopes has turned into hot *********** garbage.
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There are very limited properties in Manhattan that have the requirements needed for the UN Ambassador.

Square footage to host foreign delegation.

Security protocols necessary for such a position and gatherings that take place with world leaders.

Proximity to the UN for meetings and votes.

The budget for such a place will seem exorbitant to the person living in a 1200 square foot ranch in Wayne County Michigan, however.
I think it would do the UN a world of good if they had to meet in Multipurpose Room B of a lackluster hotel occasionally, or stay a few days in a single wide.
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Relatively irrelevant story was inaccurately reported, then was corrected. What's the issue?

Its not like the Times was using it to rile up people who are already borderline domestic terrorists.
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Relatively irrelevant story was inaccurately reported, then was corrected. What's the issue?

Its not like the Times was using it to rile up people who are already borderline domestic terrorists.
Window treatments fall just behind Israel and Maoist insurgency in number of times cited as motivation for terrorist acts.
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I think it would do the UN a world of good if they had to meet in Multipurpose Room B of a lackluster hotel occasionally, or stay a few days in a single wide.
Perhaps all government offices etc should be what you see in the executive offices of CEOs etc....... But we couldn't afford that!
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Pictures of the five-bedroom apartment with very large windows, in a building where another unit was recently offered for sale for $70 million. (Pix of the old place too.) This is highest-end Manhattan real estate. You don't buy the curtains at Target.
https://streeteasy.com/blog/nikki-ha...ria-tradition/
I've always wanted to live in a hotel, but the Waldorf looks like Trump's idea of class. The apartment is stunning.
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This is a rare case where I think the government should just "eminent domain" the property.
Why? There surely are comparable apartments on the market, that is a job for their accountants to figure out what is the best option. And how much of the space is used for official events vs as a residence?

You are talking tens of millions for the APT in that case.
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I think it would do the UN a world of good if they had to meet in Multipurpose Room B of a lackluster hotel occasionally, or stay a few days in a single wide.
I tend to agree.

However, I also tend to think of the UN as a sandbox for a mixed bag of regimes to relieve international tensions by LARPing at world government, rather than open warfare. So in that sense, keeping these various rulers and their agents in the manner to which they are accustomed is an important part of keeping the UN running smoothly.

All the real work of the UN is done by the UNSC anyway, and I'm pretty sure the voting members would meet in an overturned bathtub if they had to.
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I tend to agree.

However, I also tend to think of the UN as a sandbox for a mixed bag of regimes to relieve international tensions by LARPing at world government, rather than open warfare. So in that sense, keeping these various rulers and their agents in the manner to which they are accustomed is an important part of keeping the UN running smoothly.

All the real work of the UN is done by the UNSC anyway, and I'm pretty sure the voting members would meet in an overturned bathtub if they had to.
Sure but it is also about projecting image to leaders of foreign governments and such that she meets with. It might be good if that was the goal but diplomacy is a lot about image.
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Eminent domain is thievery. Case in point: using it to get a parking lot for your Atlantic City casino.

Anyway, this is all a distraction. The main thing is the OP has not in any way been proven. It is a baseless accusation.
I just don't have much sympathy for the NYC landlord class.
**** 'em.
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I think it would do the UN a world of good if they had to meet in Multipurpose Room B of a lackluster hotel occasionally, or stay a few days in a single wide.
I could get behind that, too.
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I tend to agree.

However, I also tend to think of the UN as a sandbox for a mixed bag of regimes to relieve international tensions by LARPing at world government, rather than open warfare. So in that sense, keeping these various rulers and their agents in the manner to which they are accustomed is an important part of keeping the UN running smoothly.

All the real work of the UN is done by the UNSC anyway, and I'm pretty sure the voting members would meet in an overturned bathtub if they had to.
Ha!

I dunno. The WHO is part of the UN, and they actually get stuff done.
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Ha!

I dunno. The WHO is part of the UN, and they actually get stuff done.
Yeah, but that's health care. Not a priority in the U.S.
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I think it would do the UN a world of good if they had to meet in Multipurpose Room B of a lackluster hotel occasionally, or stay a few days in a single wide.
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I've always wanted to live in a hotel, but the Waldorf looks like Trump's idea of class. The apartment is stunning.
I'm a little surprised that there's no diamond encrusted Mr. Potato Head in a glass case.
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I'm a little surprised that there's no diamond encrusted Mr. Potato Head in a glass case.

That is on loan to the Guggenheim, both the head, and the museum were designed by Art VanDeLay by the way.
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Nikki Haley is a neocon shill, one of the long list of appointments beginning with Goldman Sachs appointments very early on through the Abominable ******* himself: Bolton for Christ's sake. If you haven't woken up yet and can't see the total neocon victory there then you have no eyes.

Holding up a picture of a dead baby to justify killing a lot more of them, just no hypocrisy quite like that. Do you think she's clueless that ISIS is our joint creation with Gulf States, particulary Saudi Arabia. We're the air force for ISIS/Al Qaeda or whatever brand you want to put on our Wahhabis in Syria.
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Old 20th September 2018, 08:40 PM   #119
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Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot View Post
Nikki Haley is a neocon shill, one of the long list of appointments beginning with Goldman Sachs appointments very early on through the Abominable ******* himself: Bolton for Christ's sake. If you haven't woken up yet and can't see the total neocon victory there then you have no eyes.

Holding up a picture of a dead baby to justify killing a lot more of them, just no hypocrisy quite like that. Do you think she's clueless that ISIS is our joint creation with Gulf States, particulary Saudi Arabia. We're the air force for ISIS/Al Qaeda or whatever brand you want to put on our Wahhabis in Syria.
While I disagree with most of this, I do agree that we do now, and have in the past; propped up less than savory elements in countries to oppose forces without sending in ground troops. (think when Russia invaded Afghanistan and how that all played out) But then again, I'm just a dumb musician and don't really follow world policy or figures nearly as close as I should to be commenting on it.

Also, shh. SA is supposed to be ignored, right? lol. (seems to be our policy)

Anyhow, I do think Haley seems to be decent at her job.
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I think she's pretty much a female Donald Rumsfeld. I am not a fan.
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