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I don't know if I call it "charisma" but a vague sort of predatory.... brand and image management I guess is the closest I can get... is the one thing Trump excels at.
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I can't tell if you're serious about asking me how a popular, physically attractive woman who was a governor and ambassador to the UN has no charisma?
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Nikki Haley is the perfect candidate: she's Republican, she's female, she probably has got other characteristics...
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I saw something on the news this morning mentioning that she has racked up significant debt while being ambassador and that she is likely leaving for a lucrative private sector opportunity.
Is so, I hope she makes massive bank doing very little for conservative organizations. |
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Just think of the curtains that she could buy with all of that conservative dough.
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Neither do I.
I wasn't being sarcastic, I was referring back to the topic of the thread, and the original accusation that prompted it. If your interest is to discuss Nikki Haley apart from accusations of corruption in the matter of Ambassadorial Window Treatments, you may want to consider starting a separate thread for that purpose. |
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All I had to hear from Nikki Haley was that she'll be campaigning for Trump in 2020. I lost any respect for her with that.
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Yeah, but how much respect did you still have for her after she accepted a position in Trump's administration?
Actually, did this announcement actually cost her any of your respect at all, after she ran for governor of South Carolina as a Republican in 2010? You say she lost your respect, as if she incurred some meaningful cost. But I suspect she never had any of your respect to lose in the first place. |
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Belz... , I think you are wrong about her charisma. If you see her in less scripted appearances she seems likable, at the least.
This interview shows that to some degree: http://www.cc.com/video-clips/1b9vpb...rt-nikki-haley But, I don't think she is heading back into politics. More money elsewhere. |
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I get what you're trying to say, but I'm not sure that's actually a problem. Political careers are a lot about timing, and it can take several years to put together the right combination of issues, funding, and opportunity to make a run for high office. Keeping a good prospect on retainer for a couple years while you wait for the right time to make a move is probably not a bad idea. A lot of Hillary's top folks rotated in and out of positions in her nonprofits, between her time at state and when they joined her campaign staff (and hopefully her Cabinet).
So yeah, I hope that some good, reputable conservative organization finds something useful and productive for her to do, and that they pay her well for it. But staying on retainer for a year or two can itself be a useful and productive thing. |
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Jesus goddamn Christ why does this set people off so damn much?
Here's a hint. Since Belz isn't Q from Star Trek and can't create reality with his words, you can just assume there's a "My opinion" in front of everything he says. He shouldn't have to spell it out. Some us just never developed the linguistic tick of slapping a pointless "The following is my opinion" disclaimer on everything we say. |
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There is absolutely no difference between the two statements unless you're being mindlessly pedantic. Every value judgment or statement of preference or taste is necessarily an opinion. Charisma can't be calculated, so obviously it's what I find, not some sort of statement of fact.
This is the weakest possible objection to my post you could find. |
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You guys are both right. I have no idea why that set me off today; maybe it was the "how so" reply to the challenges. I apologize.
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And you'd be wrong. I actually had respect for her as a woman who had succeeded in being elected a governor. Women are still woefully under represented in the higher echelons of government. I also respected her for pushing through the bill to remove the Confederate flag from the S.C. capitol grounds. I respected her for contradicting Kudlow's claim that she was "confused" about Russia sanctions when she said "With all due respect, I don't get confused." But to actually campaign for Trump? That's just erases any respect I had for her.
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Are you saying it is not a problem to her having a continuing political career? Yeah, I agree. I think she will be back in politics, but I think she is out for now. She isn't leaving this job to take another political position just yet.
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There are multiple reasons someone might leave a political office. Medical reasons, family affairs, financial matters.
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Trump got elected and charisma is far from the last word I would use to describe him, too. Unless 'charisma' means 'the ability to produce intense nausea and disgust'. I do agree that it is not an essential quality for obtaining office, otherwise the government wouldn't be full of non-charismatic people.
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