And Nikki Haley is as corrupt as the rest of them - Page 5

JoeMorgue · 10th October 2018, 05:29 AM

I don't know if I call it "charisma" but a vague sort of predatory.... brand and image management I guess is the closest I can get... is the one thing Trump excels at.

carlitos · 10th October 2018, 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

Wait, Haley has presidential ambitions? She has zero charisma!

Yes, you are incorrect.

Belz... · 10th October 2018, 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by carlitos

Yes, you are incorrect.

How so?

carlitos · 10th October 2018, 07:08 AM

I can't tell if you're serious about asking me how a popular, physically attractive woman who was a governor and ambassador to the UN has no charisma?

The Great Zaganza · 10th October 2018, 08:02 AM

Nikki Haley is the perfect candidate: she's Republican, she's female, she probably has got other characteristics...

theprestige · 10th October 2018, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Nikki Haley is the perfect candidate: she's Republican, she's female, she probably has got other characteristics...

She's also "as corrupt as the rest of them".

carlitos · 10th October 2018, 08:12 AM

Belz... · 10th October 2018, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by carlitos

I can't tell if you're serious about asking me how a popular, physically attractive woman who was a governor and ambassador to the UN has no charisma?

I'm serious, ok? I've now had to repeat myself multiple times: I don't find that she has any charisma. She seems about as interesting to watch as a plank of wood.

Dr. Keith · 10th October 2018, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by Firestone

Lawrence O'Donnell speculated on MSNBC that maybe Haley is resigning to make some real money in the private sector for awhile, before returning to politics. (If so, nothing wrong with that either.)

I saw something on the news this morning mentioning that she has racked up significant debt while being ambassador and that she is likely leaving for a lucrative private sector opportunity.

Is so, I hope she makes massive bank doing very little for conservative organizations.

carlitos · 10th October 2018, 10:25 AM

Just think of the curtains that she could buy with all of that conservative dough.

theprestige · 10th October 2018, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Firestone

Maybe I'm missing the sarcasm here, but I don't find it corrupt to resign one office to seek another one.

Neither do I.

I wasn't being sarcastic, I was referring back to the topic of the thread, and the original accusation that prompted it. If your interest is to discuss Nikki Haley apart from accusations of corruption in the matter of Ambassadorial Window Treatments, you may want to consider starting a separate thread for that purpose.

Stacyhs · 10th October 2018, 10:54 AM

All I had to hear from Nikki Haley was that she'll be campaigning for Trump in 2020. I lost any respect for her with that.

Drewbot · 10th October 2018, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

Oh, no. Trump has some charisma. In fact his one and only talent is to sell himself. So, nice try, but next time base your retroactive predictions on actual fact.

And no, I'm not 'incorrect'. I find that she has no charisma.

If you had said "I find that Nikki Haley has zero charisma." I would not have questioned you. But you said "She has zero charisma."

I question your fact statement only, not your editorial statement.

Trebuchet · 10th October 2018, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

Wait, Haley has presidential ambitions? She has zero charisma!

She's not white, either. That'll lose her a good percentage of the current Trump base.

theprestige · 10th October 2018, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

All I had to hear from Nikki Haley was that she'll be campaigning for Trump in 2020. I lost any respect for her with that.

Yeah, but how much respect did you still have for her after she accepted a position in Trump's administration?

Actually, did this announcement actually cost her any of your respect at all, after she ran for governor of South Carolina as a Republican in 2010?

You say she lost your respect, as if she incurred some meaningful cost. But I suspect she never had any of your respect to lose in the first place.

carlitos · 10th October 2018, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

If you had said "I find that Nikki Haley has zero charisma." I would not have questioned you. But you said "She has zero charisma."

I question your fact statement only, not your editorial statement.

+1.

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

She's not white, either. That'll lose her a good percentage of the current Trump base.

Or black, either! From her wikipedia page:

Originally Posted by wikipedia

When Haley was five years old, her parents attempted to enter her in the "Miss Bamberg" contest. The contest traditionally crowned a black queen and a white queen. Since the judges decided Haley did not fit either category, they disqualified her.

Dr. Keith · 10th October 2018, 11:36 AM

Belz... , I think you are wrong about her charisma. If you see her in less scripted appearances she seems likable, at the least.

This interview shows that to some degree: http://www.cc.com/video-clips/1b9vpb...rt-nikki-haley

But, I don't think she is heading back into politics. More money elsewhere.

eeyore1954 · 10th October 2018, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

I'm serious, ok? I've now had to repeat myself multiple times: I don't find that she has any charisma. She seems about as interesting to watch as a plank of wood.

Yet somehow what you thought was a plank of wood was elected governor twice and also I believe a state legislator. I suspect a lot of people think she does have charisma.

If you were a conservative I would accuse you of being a misogynist and a racist (she is Indian).

eeyore1954 · 10th October 2018, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

She's not white, either. That'll lose her a good percentage of the current Trump base.

It didn't stop her from winning in South Carolina.

theprestige · 10th October 2018, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

I saw something on the news this morning mentioning that she has racked up significant debt while being ambassador and that she is likely leaving for a lucrative private sector opportunity.

Is so, I hope she makes massive bank doing very little for conservative organizations.

I get what you're trying to say, but I'm not sure that's actually a problem. Political careers are a lot about timing, and it can take several years to put together the right combination of issues, funding, and opportunity to make a run for high office. Keeping a good prospect on retainer for a couple years while you wait for the right time to make a move is probably not a bad idea. A lot of Hillary's top folks rotated in and out of positions in her nonprofits, between her time at state and when they joined her campaign staff (and hopefully her Cabinet).

So yeah, I hope that some good, reputable conservative organization finds something useful and productive for her to do, and that they pay her well for it. But staying on retainer for a year or two can itself be a useful and productive thing.

JoeMorgue · 10th October 2018, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

If you had said "I find that Nikki Haley has zero charisma." I would not have questioned you. But you said "She has zero charisma."

Jesus goddamn Christ why does this set people off so damn much?

Here's a hint. Since Belz isn't Q from Star Trek and can't create reality with his words, you can just assume there's a "My opinion" in front of everything he says. He shouldn't have to spell it out.

Some us just never developed the linguistic tick of slapping a pointless "The following is my opinion" disclaimer on everything we say.

Belz... · 10th October 2018, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

If you had said "I find that Nikki Haley has zero charisma." I would not have questioned you. But you said "She has zero charisma."

There is absolutely no difference between the two statements unless you're being mindlessly pedantic. Every value judgment or statement of preference or taste is necessarily an opinion. Charisma can't be calculated, so obviously it's what I find, not some sort of statement of fact.

This is the weakest possible objection to my post you could find.

carlitos · 10th October 2018, 11:52 AM

You guys are both right. I have no idea why that set me off today; maybe it was the "how so" reply to the challenges. I apologize.

Belz... · 10th October 2018, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by carlitos

You guys are both right.

And we are also both wrong. This is the dilemma that will occupy this panel, this Navy, and this country's armed forces as a whole long after you leave this room.

Stacyhs · 10th October 2018, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Yeah, but how much respect did you still have for her after she accepted a position in Trump's administration?

Actually, did this announcement actually cost her any of your respect at all, after she ran for governor of South Carolina as a Republican in 2010?

You say she lost your respect, as if she incurred some meaningful cost. But I suspect she never had any of your respect to lose in the first place.

And you'd be wrong. I actually had respect for her as a woman who had succeeded in being elected a governor. Women are still woefully under represented in the higher echelons of government. I also respected her for pushing through the bill to remove the Confederate flag from the S.C. capitol grounds. I respected her for contradicting Kudlow's claim that she was "confused" about Russia sanctions when she said "With all due respect, I don't get confused." But to actually campaign for Trump? That's just erases any respect I had for her.

Stacyhs · 10th October 2018, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by eeyore1954

Yet somehow what you thought was a plank of wood was elected governor twice and also I believe a state legislator. I suspect a lot of people think she does have charisma.

If you were a conservative I would accuse you of being a misogynist and a racist (she is Indian).

McConnell has been elected numerous times. Charismatic is not something I'd say describes McConnell. Ditto for Jeff Sessions.

Belz... · 10th October 2018, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

McConnell has been elected numerous times. Charismatic is not something I'd say describes McConnell.

Absolutely true.

Mind you, charisma is not the only thing that's important, but it's hard to get behind voting for someone who doesn't connect with people at any level. I guess it's the issues vote that gets them put in office.

Stacyhs · 10th October 2018, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Belz...

Absolutely true.

Mind you, charisma is not the only thing that's important, but it's hard to get behind voting for someone who doesn't connect with people at any level. I guess it's the issues vote that gets them put in office.

For many people, perhaps most, it's the R or D next to their name.

Drewbot · 10th October 2018, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Since Belz isn't Q from Star Trek and can't create reality with his words

Link plz, kthx.

Belz... · 10th October 2018, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

For many people, perhaps most, it's the R or D next to their name.

Well, put me in the basket of people who checks party platform before I vote in each election. I have zero party loyalty or affiliation.

Belz... · 10th October 2018, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Belz isn't Q from Star Trek

How would you know?

Quote:

Some us just never developed the linguistic tick of slapping a pointless "The following is my opinion" disclaimer on everything we say.

Funny fact, on the Star Trek BBS, of all places, my signature is "And that's my opinion" specifically because on my first day there some idiot made exactly this sort of nonsensical objection to an opinion I posted.

Dr. Keith · 10th October 2018, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

I get what you're trying to say, but I'm not sure that's actually a problem.

Are you saying it is not a problem to her having a continuing political career? Yeah, I agree. I think she will be back in politics, but I think she is out for now. She isn't leaving this job to take another political position just yet.

Quote:

So yeah, I hope that some good, reputable conservative organization finds something useful and productive for her to do, and that they pay her well for it. But staying on retainer for a year or two can itself be a useful and productive thing.

Again, I think we agree, except that we may differ on what is useful and productive at a reputable conservative organization.

LSSBB · 10th October 2018, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Belz...

There is absolutely no difference between the two statements unless you're being mindlessly pedantic. Every value judgment or statement of preference or taste is necessarily an opinion. Charisma can't be calculated, so obviously it's what I find, not some sort of statement of fact.

This is the weakest possible objection to my post you could find.

Charisma can be calculated. It's generally 3-18 , on a 3 six-sided die roll.

Ziggurat · 10th October 2018, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Belz...

How would you know?

Because you haven't killed all of us in a fit of pique.

CORed · 10th October 2018, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

McConnell has been elected numerous times. Charismatic is not something I'd say describes McConnell. Ditto for Jeff Sessions.

Hillary Clinton got elected to the Senate, too, and charismatic is just about the last work I would use to describe her. I think charisma is a useful, but not essential quality for someone running for public office.

TragicMonkey · 10th October 2018, 02:37 PM

There are multiple reasons someone might leave a political office. Medical reasons, family affairs, financial matters.

Stacyhs · 10th October 2018, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by CORed

Hillary Clinton got elected to the Senate, too, and charismatic is just about the last work I would use to describe her. I think charisma is a useful, but not essential quality for someone running for public office.

Trump got elected and charisma is far from the last word I would use to describe him, too. Unless 'charisma' means 'the ability to produce intense nausea and disgust'. I do agree that it is not an essential quality for obtaining office, otherwise the government wouldn't be full of non-charismatic people.

Belz... · 10th October 2018, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Because you haven't killed all of us in a fit of pique.

Maybe I did. How would you know?

angrysoba · 10th October 2018, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

There are multiple reasons someone might leave a political office. Medical reasons, family affairs, financial matters.

She didn’t like the curtains...

10th October 2018, 05:29 AM	#161
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 14,863	I don't know if I call it "charisma" but a vague sort of predatory.... brand and image management I guess is the closest I can get... is the one thing Trump excels at.
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10th October 2018, 05:33 AM	#163
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details Posts: 76,590	Originally Posted by carlitos Yes, you are incorrect. How so?
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10th October 2018, 08:02 AM	#165
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10th October 2018, 08:10 AM	#166
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 30,446	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza Nikki Haley is the perfect candidate: she's Republican, she's female, she probably has got other characteristics... She's also "as corrupt as the rest of them".
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10th October 2018, 08:22 AM	#168
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details Posts: 76,590	Originally Posted by carlitos I can't tell if you're serious about asking me how a popular, physically attractive woman who was a governor and ambassador to the UN has no charisma? I'm serious, ok? I've now had to repeat myself multiple times: I don't find that she has any charisma. She seems about as interesting to watch as a plank of wood.
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10th October 2018, 05:32 AM	#162
carlitos "más divertido" Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 18,817	Originally Posted by Belz... Wait, Haley has presidential ambitions? She has zero charisma! Yes, you are incorrect.

10th October 2018, 07:08 AM	#164
carlitos "más divertido" Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 18,817	I can't tell if you're serious about asking me how a popular, physically attractive woman who was a governor and ambassador to the UN has no charisma?

10th October 2018, 08:12 AM	#167
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10th October 2018, 09:32 AM	#169
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 17,501	Originally Posted by Firestone Lawrence O'Donnell speculated on MSNBC that maybe Haley is resigning to make some real money in the private sector for awhile, before returning to politics. (If so, nothing wrong with that either.) I saw something on the news this morning mentioning that she has racked up significant debt while being ambassador and that she is likely leaving for a lucrative private sector opportunity. Is so, I hope she makes massive bank doing very little for conservative organizations.
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10th October 2018, 10:25 AM	#170
carlitos "más divertido" Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 18,817	Just think of the curtains that she could buy with all of that conservative dough.

10th October 2018, 10:47 AM	#171
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 30,446	Originally Posted by Firestone Maybe I'm missing the sarcasm here, but I don't find it corrupt to resign one office to seek another one. Neither do I. I wasn't being sarcastic, I was referring back to the topic of the thread, and the original accusation that prompted it. If your interest is to discuss Nikki Haley apart from accusations of corruption in the matter of Ambassadorial Window Treatments, you may want to consider starting a separate thread for that purpose.

10th October 2018, 10:54 AM	#172
Stacyhs Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 5,916	All I had to hear from Nikki Haley was that she'll be campaigning for Trump in 2020. I lost any respect for her with that.
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10th October 2018, 11:11 AM	#173
Drewbot Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 6,607	Originally Posted by Belz... Oh, no. Trump has some charisma. In fact his one and only talent is to sell himself. So, nice try, but next time base your retroactive predictions on actual fact. And no, I'm not 'incorrect'. I find that she has no charisma. If you had said "I find that Nikki Haley has zero charisma." I would not have questioned you. But you said "She has zero charisma." I question your fact statement only, not your editorial statement.
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Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwet Posts: 19,064	Originally Posted by Belz... Wait, Haley has presidential ambitions? She has zero charisma! She's not white, either. That'll lose her a good percentage of the current Trump base.
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10th October 2018, 11:30 AM	#175
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 30,446	Originally Posted by Stacyhs All I had to hear from Nikki Haley was that she'll be campaigning for Trump in 2020. I lost any respect for her with that. Yeah, but how much respect did you still have for her after she accepted a position in Trump's administration? Actually, did this announcement actually cost her any of your respect at all, after she ran for governor of South Carolina as a Republican in 2010? You say she lost your respect, as if she incurred some meaningful cost. But I suspect she never had any of your respect to lose in the first place.

10th October 2018, 11:30 AM	#176
carlitos "más divertido" Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 18,817	Originally Posted by Drewbot If you had said "I find that Nikki Haley has zero charisma." I would not have questioned you. But you said "She has zero charisma." I question your fact statement only, not your editorial statement. +1. Originally Posted by Trebuchet She's not white, either. That'll lose her a good percentage of the current Trump base. Or black, either! From her wikipedia page: Originally Posted by wikipedia When Haley was five years old, her parents attempted to enter her in the "Miss Bamberg" contest. The contest traditionally crowned a black queen and a white queen. Since the judges decided Haley did not fit either category, they disqualified her.

10th October 2018, 11:36 AM	#177
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 17,501	Belz... , I think you are wrong about her charisma. If you see her in less scripted appearances she seems likable, at the least. This interview shows that to some degree: http://www.cc.com/video-clips/1b9vpb...rt-nikki-haley But, I don't think she is heading back into politics. More money elsewhere.
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10th October 2018, 11:42 AM	#178
eeyore1954 Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,325	Originally Posted by Belz... I'm serious, ok? I've now had to repeat myself multiple times: I don't find that she has any charisma. She seems about as interesting to watch as a plank of wood. Yet somehow what you thought was a plank of wood was elected governor twice and also I believe a state legislator. I suspect a lot of people think she does have charisma. If you were a conservative I would accuse you of being a misogynist and a racist (she is Indian).
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10th October 2018, 11:43 AM	#179
eeyore1954 Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,325	Originally Posted by Trebuchet She's not white, either. That'll lose her a good percentage of the current Trump base. It didn't stop her from winning in South Carolina.
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10th October 2018, 11:45 AM	#180
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 30,446	Originally Posted by Dr. Keith I saw something on the news this morning mentioning that she has racked up significant debt while being ambassador and that she is likely leaving for a lucrative private sector opportunity. Is so, I hope she makes massive bank doing very little for conservative organizations. I get what you're trying to say, but I'm not sure that's actually a problem. Political careers are a lot about timing, and it can take several years to put together the right combination of issues, funding, and opportunity to make a run for high office. Keeping a good prospect on retainer for a couple years while you wait for the right time to make a move is probably not a bad idea. A lot of Hillary's top folks rotated in and out of positions in her nonprofits, between her time at state and when they joined her campaign staff (and hopefully her Cabinet). So yeah, I hope that some good, reputable conservative organization finds something useful and productive for her to do, and that they pay her well for it. But staying on retainer for a year or two can itself be a useful and productive thing.

10th October 2018, 11:47 AM	#181
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 14,863	Originally Posted by Drewbot If you had said "I find that Nikki Haley has zero charisma." I would not have questioned you. But you said "She has zero charisma." Jesus goddamn Christ why does this set people off so damn much? Here's a hint. Since Belz isn't Q from Star Trek and can't create reality with his words, you can just assume there's a "My opinion" in front of everything he says. He shouldn't have to spell it out. Some us just never developed the linguistic tick of slapping a pointless "The following is my opinion" disclaimer on everything we say.
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10th October 2018, 11:48 AM	#182
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details Posts: 76,590	Originally Posted by Drewbot If you had said "I find that Nikki Haley has zero charisma." I would not have questioned you. But you said "She has zero charisma." There is absolutely no difference between the two statements unless you're being mindlessly pedantic. Every value judgment or statement of preference or taste is necessarily an opinion. Charisma can't be calculated, so obviously it's what I find, not some sort of statement of fact. This is the weakest possible objection to my post you could find.
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10th October 2018, 11:52 AM	#183
carlitos "más divertido" Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 18,817	You guys are both right. I have no idea why that set me off today; maybe it was the "how so" reply to the challenges. I apologize.

10th October 2018, 11:55 AM	#184
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details Posts: 76,590	Originally Posted by carlitos You guys are both right. And we are also both wrong. This is the dilemma that will occupy this panel, this Navy, and this country's armed forces as a whole long after you leave this room.
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10th October 2018, 11:55 AM	#185
Stacyhs Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 5,916	Originally Posted by theprestige Yeah, but how much respect did you still have for her after she accepted a position in Trump's administration? Actually, did this announcement actually cost her any of your respect at all, after she ran for governor of South Carolina as a Republican in 2010? You say she lost your respect, as if she incurred some meaningful cost. But I suspect she never had any of your respect to lose in the first place. And you'd be wrong. I actually had respect for her as a woman who had succeeded in being elected a governor. Women are still woefully under represented in the higher echelons of government. I also respected her for pushing through the bill to remove the Confederate flag from the S.C. capitol grounds. I respected her for contradicting Kudlow's claim that she was "confused" about Russia sanctions when she said "With all due respect, I don't get confused." But to actually campaign for Trump? That's just erases any respect I had for her.
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10th October 2018, 12:01 PM	#186
Stacyhs Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 5,916	Originally Posted by eeyore1954 Yet somehow what you thought was a plank of wood was elected governor twice and also I believe a state legislator. I suspect a lot of people think she does have charisma. If you were a conservative I would accuse you of being a misogynist and a racist (she is Indian). McConnell has been elected numerous times. Charismatic is not something I'd say describes McConnell. Ditto for Jeff Sessions.
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10th October 2018, 12:02 PM	#187
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details Posts: 76,590	Originally Posted by Stacyhs McConnell has been elected numerous times. Charismatic is not something I'd say describes McConnell. Absolutely true. Mind you, charisma is not the only thing that's important, but it's hard to get behind voting for someone who doesn't connect with people at any level. I guess it's the issues vote that gets them put in office.
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10th October 2018, 12:04 PM	#188
Stacyhs Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 5,916	Originally Posted by Belz... Absolutely true. Mind you, charisma is not the only thing that's important, but it's hard to get behind voting for someone who doesn't connect with people at any level. I guess it's the issues vote that gets them put in office. For many people, perhaps most, it's the R or D next to their name.
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10th October 2018, 12:04 PM	#189
Drewbot Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 6,607	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Since Belz isn't Q from Star Trek and can't create reality with his words Link plz, kthx.
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10th October 2018, 12:05 PM	#190
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details Posts: 76,590	Originally Posted by Stacyhs For many people, perhaps most, it's the R or D next to their name. Well, put me in the basket of people who checks party platform before I vote in each election. I have zero party loyalty or affiliation.
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10th October 2018, 12:06 PM	#191
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details Posts: 76,590	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Belz isn't Q from Star Trek How would you know? Quote: Some us just never developed the linguistic tick of slapping a pointless "The following is my opinion" disclaimer on everything we say. Funny fact, on the Star Trek BBS, of all places, my signature is "And that's my opinion" specifically because on my first day there some idiot made exactly this sort of nonsensical objection to an opinion I posted.
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10th October 2018, 12:15 PM	#192
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 17,501	Originally Posted by theprestige I get what you're trying to say, but I'm not sure that's actually a problem. Are you saying it is not a problem to her having a continuing political career? Yeah, I agree. I think she will be back in politics, but I think she is out for now. She isn't leaving this job to take another political position just yet. Quote: So yeah, I hope that some good, reputable conservative organization finds something useful and productive for her to do, and that they pay her well for it. But staying on retainer for a year or two can itself be a useful and productive thing. Again, I think we agree, except that we may differ on what is useful and productive at a reputable conservative organization.
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10th October 2018, 01:26 PM	#193
LSSBB Devilish Dictionarian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: An elusive house at Bachelors Grove Cemetery Posts: 19,820	Originally Posted by Belz... There is absolutely no difference between the two statements unless you're being mindlessly pedantic. Every value judgment or statement of preference or taste is necessarily an opinion. Charisma can't be calculated, so obviously it's what I find, not some sort of statement of fact. This is the weakest possible objection to my post you could find. Charisma can be calculated. It's generally 3-18 , on a 3 six-sided die roll.
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10th October 2018, 02:03 PM	#194
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 41,379	Originally Posted by Belz... How would you know? Because you haven't killed all of us in a fit of pique.
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10th October 2018, 02:11 PM	#195
CORed Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Central City, Colorado, USA Posts: 8,395	Originally Posted by Stacyhs McConnell has been elected numerous times. Charismatic is not something I'd say describes McConnell. Ditto for Jeff Sessions. Hillary Clinton got elected to the Senate, too, and charismatic is just about the last work I would use to describe her. I think charisma is a useful, but not essential quality for someone running for public office.