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Old 29th September 2018, 05:40 PM   #241
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Have you no shame, really?
I believe the precise wording was "At long last, have you left no sense of decency?"
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Old 29th September 2018, 05:43 PM   #242
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Ye, it was a little disgusting. But hilarious.
A better combination you can't hope for!

Last time I was in Vegas, I saw a quotation attributed to Voltaire (but I can't believe Voltaire said it): "Ice cream is exquisite. It's a pity it is legal."
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Old 29th September 2018, 05:45 PM   #243
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If it turns out that the ill-fated "party" really was on July 1st, then turning his calendars over to the Committee would likely turn out to be the second stupidest thing Kavanaugh ever did.
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Old 29th September 2018, 05:51 PM   #244
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Originally Posted by BeanieBaby View Post
Name one damn lie
I'll wait

Here's A Running List Of President Trump's Lies And Other ******** (has not been updated since March 2017)

Donald Trump has said 2717 false things as U.S. president


President Trump has made 4,229 false or misleading claims in 558 days

An example from WAPO:
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On foreign policy, the president consistently misstates NATO spending. More than 60 times, he has falsely said the United States pays as much as 90 percent of the alliance’s costs and that other NATO members “owe” money. But he is conflating overall defense spending with NATO obligations — and the United States, unlike many NATO allies, has global responsibilities.


T r u m p ’ s L i e s(Another out of date list, but here's a few (linked article itself has links that cite sources):

Quote:
JAN. 21 “I wasn't a fan of Iraq. I didn't want to go into Iraq.” (He was for an invasion before he was against it.) JAN. 21 “A reporter for Time magazine — and I have been on their cover 14 or 15 times. I think we have the all-time record in the history of Time magazine.” (Trump was on the cover 11 times and Nixon appeared 55 times.) JAN. 23 “Between 3 million and 5 million illegal votes caused me to lose the popular vote.” (There's no evidence of illegal voting.) JAN. 25 “Now, the audience was the biggest ever. But this crowd was massive. Look how far back it goes. This crowd was massive.” (Official aerial photos show Obama's 2009 inauguration was much more heavily attended.) JAN. 25 “Take a look at the Pew reports (which show voter fraud.)” (The report never mentioned voter fraud.) JAN. 25 “You had millions of people that now aren't insured anymore.” (The real number is less than 1 million, according to the Urban Institute.) JAN. 25 “So, look, when President Obama was there two weeks ago making a speech, very nice speech. Two people were shot and killed during his speech. You can't have that.” (There were no gun homicide victims in Chicago that day.)

....


OCT. 17 “Well, we're the highest-taxed nation in the world.” (We're not.) OCT. 17 “I wish President Obama didn't get out the way he got out. Because that left a vacuum and ISIS was formed.” (The group’s origins date to 2004.) OCT. 18 “Democrat Congresswoman totally fabricated what I said to the wife of a soldier who died in action (and I have proof).” (The wife confirmed Representative Frederica Wilson's account.) OCT. 18 “The Coast Guard in Texas saved 16,000 lives.” (The real number was smaller.) OCT. 18 “Nobody has ever heard of a five hitting land.” (Category 5 storms have hit land before.) OCT. 24 “Under our plan, more than 30 million Americans who own small businesses will get a 40 per cent cut to their top marginal tax rate.” (The real number is estimated to be less than 1 million.) OCT. 25 “We have trade deficits with almost everybody.” (We have trade surpluses with more than 100 countries.)

ETA: I don't want to contribute to a hijack. We can spin this off into a new thread if Beanie Baby wants to.

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Old 29th September 2018, 05:51 PM   #245
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
I'm going pick a random date... August 23, 1994

What were you doing on that day?

Where did you go?

How did you get there?

How did you get home?
Why don't you pick a date something traumatic or memorable happened? I remember exactly where every car accident I ever had happened. I remember where I received every ticket I ever was given by police. Want to ask me about a fight or other memorable things? I'll tell you about an experience where some drunk guy slapped my ex gf in front of me. It happened at her home in june of 1991. I ended up breaking the guys nose and cheekbone in a fight after that. I saw him two weeks later at a restaurant called Chicagos pizza where my ex gf worked. He looked like ass all swollen up still. He was man enough to apologize to her and to me. I drove home that night, with her to my place. I went to the party because she invited me.

I've had three tickets. One was in Alpharetta GA on Haynes bridge road doing 82 in a 45 zone. The second was on highway 400 doing 87 in a 55. The third was in Defiance Ohio doing 72 in a 45.

I bet I could call witnesses that would actually remember the fight I mentioned.
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Old 29th September 2018, 05:58 PM   #246
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Originally Posted by sylvan8798 View Post
Has anyone asked Mark Judge, PJ, Tim Gaudette, Tom Caine, Chris Garrett, and Bernie McCarthy if they remember the get-together on July 1, 1982? Because if they don't remember it, then they are saying Kavanaugh is full of ****, which obviously would mean he is lying, albeit retroactively, on his calendar. And lying today, if he stands by that entry.
Touché.
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Old 29th September 2018, 06:06 PM   #247
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Originally Posted by River View Post
Why don't you pick a date something traumatic or memorable happened? I remember exactly where every car accident I ever had happened. I remember where I received every ticket I ever was given by police. Want to ask me about a fight or other memorable things? I'll tell you about an experience where some drunk guy slapped my ex gf in front of me. It happened at her home in june of 1991. I ended up breaking the guys nose and cheekbone in a fight after that. I saw him two weeks later at a restaurant called Chicagos pizza where my ex gf worked. He looked like ass all swollen up still. He was man enough to apologize to her and to me. I drove home that night, with her to my place. I went to the party because she invited me.

I've had three tickets. One was in Alpharetta GA on Haynes bridge road doing 82 in a 45 zone. The second was on highway 400 doing 87 in a 55. The third was in Defiance Ohio doing 72 in a 45.

I bet I could call witnesses that would actually remember the fight I mentioned.
Are you actually trying to compare the trauma of getting a speeding ticket to a sexual assault at 15 years old?
What "trauma" did you experience by smacking down the guy who slapped your ex-girlfriend? Hell, that was a time you got to be the big man hero defending the damsel in distress ....not that I blame you. But really, trying to compare these to a girl getting sexually assaulted and fearing she was going to die?

You probably could find a witnesses if they actually witnessed it. Try finding the guy who was in the can at the time and didn't know you, the drunk or your ex and see if he remembers it.

Like I said, I was attacked with the intention of rape and I can't tell you exactly what year it happened or even the time of year as it was in CA and it was summer weather all year long.
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Old 29th September 2018, 06:06 PM   #248
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Have you no shame, really?
No, he doesn't

Its not very Christian of him, is it?
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Old 29th September 2018, 06:07 PM   #249
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The bottom line here is that no woman can expect justice from a court with Kavanagh on it nor should they feel bound to abide by its decisions. If women don't have true access to the court then they need only concern themselves with nullifying or circumventing the court's decisions. Women and people who care about the rights of women should look at the ways in which the Dread Scott Decision was nullified in defiance of the Supreme Court for how to behave if Kavanagh is confirmed.
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Old 29th September 2018, 06:13 PM   #250
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The bottom line here is that no woman can expect justice from a court with Kavanagh on it nor should they feel bound to abide by its decisions. If women don't have true access to the court then they need only concern themselves with nullifying or circumventing the court's decisions. Women and people who care about the rights of women should look at the ways in which the Dread Dred Scott Decision was nullified in defiance of the Supreme Court for how to behave if Kavanagh is confirmed.
FTFY. Sorry...once a history teacher, always a history teacher.
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Compares liberals to conspiracy theorists and chastises them for being gullible:
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Lol. Even 9/11 conspiracy theorists weren't this gullible. This place truly has been reduced to the dregs.
Followed a few hours later with a claim sourced to a conspiracy-theory-peddling website:
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Dems sure do love doxxing people.


Upon further research, it appears that the IP address traces back to the office of Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA).



https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...augh-testimony

I believe the kids refer to this as “beclowning”.
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Old 29th September 2018, 06:31 PM   #252
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Why on earth would Maxine Waters, a Democrat, want to change Wikipedia to support Kavanaugh's (false) claim that 'Devil's Triangle' refers to a drinking game? Some people have no common sense.
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Old 29th September 2018, 06:38 PM   #253
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
FTFY. Sorry...once a history teacher, always a history teacher.
I stand corrected.
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
Compares liberals to conspiracy theorists and chastises them for being gullible:


Followed a few hours later with a claim sourced to a conspiracy-theory-peddling website:



I believe the kids refer to this as “beclowning”.
Good catch. Since I only catch it in quotes from, it would have totally blew by me.

And thanks for the use of "beclowning". Not sure if I came a cross it before. Very apropos for Trump and sycophants.
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Do you believe that Kavanaugh was completely honest in his testimony Thursday?
Haven't watched it, yet.
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Old 29th September 2018, 07:49 PM   #256
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Haven't watched it, yet.
Based solely on what you've seen/read so far, do you believe Kavanaugh was completely honest in his testimony Thursday?
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Originally Posted by Bogative View Post
Yup. This is the left's "Pizzagate."

Digging through high school yearbooks and college records looking for secret code words for sexual assault, rape etc.

Originally Posted by I Am The Scum View Post
Do you believe that Kavanaugh was completely honest in his testimony Thursday?
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Haven't watched it, yet.

The beclowning continues.
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Are you actually trying to compare the trauma of getting a speeding ticket to a sexual assault at 15 years old?
What "trauma" did you experience by smacking down the guy who slapped your ex-girlfriend? Hell, that was a time you got to be the big man hero defending the damsel in distress ....not that I blame you. But really, trying to compare these to a girl getting sexually assaulted and fearing she was going to die?

You probably could find a witnesses if they actually witnessed it. Try finding the guy who was in the can at the time and didn't know you, the drunk or your ex and see if he remembers it.

Like I said, I was attacked with the intention of rape and I can't tell you exactly what year it happened or even the time of year as it was in CA and it was summer weather all year long.

The tickets would be part of the "memorable" category. The fight certainly could fit into traumatic. I got kicked in the balls, and punched in the face and body multiple times, also choked by a 27 year old man that was 6' 1" and about 240 lbs. I won the fight, but that doesn't mean I didn't get my ass beat too. (i was much younger, and not nearly that built or heavy) I still have a scar from it, though not mentally like Ford just a physical one.

If she had a more traumatic experience, according to her those are burned into your memory helping you keep the experience in a more permanent way. If I can remember those details about something not as traumatic, or even just something memorable -- perhaps she should've been able to also. Was she drunk at the time too? (i need to review her testimony again) More questions than answers. I'm not saying she made up the account, but it certainly seems like there are some inconsistencies like her naming witnesses that do not corroborate her story, or in one case says she never met Kavanaugh or could recall any incident like she described.
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It might not enlighten you River, you may not get the meaning of my comment, but this is an example of why you don't get it. It's from my neighborhood forum:

“I draw a line down the middle of a chalkboard, sketching a male symbol on one side and a female symbol on the other. Then I ask just the men: What steps do you guys take, on a daily basis, to prevent yourselves from being sexually assaulted?

At first there is a kind of awkward silence as the men try to figure out if they've been asked a trick question. The silence gives way to a smattering of nervous laughter. Occasionally, a young a guy will raise his hand and say, 'I stay out of prison.' This is typically followed by another moment of laughter, before someone finally raises his hand and soberly states, 'Nothing. I don't think about it.'

Then I ask women the same question. What steps do you take on a daily basis to prevent yourselves from being sexually assaulted?

Women throughout the audience immediately start raising their hands. As the men sit in stunned silence, the women recount safety precautions they take as part of their daily routine.

Here are some of their answers: Hold my keys as a potential weapon. Look in the back seat of the car before getting in. Carry a cell phone. Don't go jogging at night. Lock all the windows when I sleep, even on hot summer nights. Be careful not to drink too much. Don't put my drink down and come back to it; make sure I see it being poured. Own a big dog. Carry Mace or pepper spray. Have an unlisted phone number. Have a man's voice on my answering machine. Park in well-lit areas. Don't use parking garages. Don't get on elevators with only one man, or with a group of men. Vary my route home from work. Watch what I wear. Don't use highway rest areas. Use a home alarm system. Don't wear headphones when jogging. Avoid forests or wooded areas, even in the daytime. Don't take a first-floor apartment. Go out in groups. Own a firearm. Meet men on first dates in public places. Make sure to have a car or cab fare. Don't make eye contact with men on the street. Make assertive eye contact with men on the street.”

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What gave you the idea that slang terms in a yearbook are "secret code words"?
CBS News

Business Insider

Michael Avenatti

Just to name a few.
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Interesting perspective:
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Over the past few decades — starting at Yale, then Columbia University’s Teachers College and now Arizona State University — my colleagues and I have been studying students in high-achieving, elite schools. These are institutions with excellent test scores, rich extracurricular and advanced academic offerings, and graduates headed to selective colleges and, ultimately, to positions of power as adults. Across the country, we have recurrently found that students at such schools show higher rates of disturbance compared with average American teens.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...?noredirect=on
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Based solely on what you've seen/read so far, do you believe Kavanaugh was completely honest in his testimony Thursday?
Mostly. Nothing that would disqualify him from the position.
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The tickets would be part of the "memorable" category. The fight certainly could fit into traumatic. I got kicked in the balls, and punched in the face and body multiple times, also choked by a 27 year old man that was 6' 1" and about 240 lbs. I won the fight, but that doesn't mean I didn't get my ass beat too. (i was much younger, and not nearly that built or heavy) I still have a scar from it, though not mentally like Ford just a physical one.

If she had a more traumatic experience, according to her those are burned into your memory helping you keep the experience in a more permanent way. If I can remember those details about something not as traumatic, or even just something memorable -- perhaps she should've been able to also. Was she drunk at the time too? (i need to review her testimony again) More questions than answers. I'm not saying she made up the account, but it certainly seems like there are some inconsistencies like her naming witnesses that do not corroborate her story, or in one case says she never met Kavanaugh or could recall any incident like she described.
Why don't you ask a few women who have been sexually assaulted what details they actually remember instead of making up your own imaginary scenario?
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The tickets would be part of the "memorable" category. The fight certainly could fit into traumatic. I got kicked in the balls, and punched in the face and body multiple times, also choked by a 27 year old man that was 6' 1" and about 240 lbs. I won the fight, but that doesn't mean I didn't get my ass beat too. (i was much younger, and not nearly that built or heavy) I still have a scar from it, though not mentally like Ford just a physical one.

If she had a more traumatic experience, according to her those are burned into your memory helping you keep the experience in a more permanent way. If I can remember those details about something not as traumatic, or even just something memorable -- perhaps she should've been able to also. Was she drunk at the time too? (i need to review her testimony again) More questions than answers. I'm not saying she made up the account, but it certainly seems like there are some inconsistencies like her naming witnesses that do not corroborate her story, or in one case says she never met Kavanaugh or could recall any incident like she described.
Here's the problem River. Everyone is not you.

Different people respond to situations differently. Your thinking is very much aligned with, I did it, why doesn't everyone else? My father landed on Omaha Beach on D-Day. He said some men could and did handle it while others froze and got killed. And you can't tell who's going to freeze until they were in the heat of battle.

Also, memory is one weird thing. I can remember virtually EVERYTHING about from 2 minutes before my sister told me my mother had a pulmonary embolism and passed away and for the hour following that but the rest of that day nothing. That was 40 years ago.

Judging others through your own perspective is really a bit self centered.
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Mostly. Nothing that would disqualify him from the position.
Mostly? So a little bit of perjury is not disqualifying for the supreme court?
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Mostly. Nothing that would disqualify him from the position.
Mostly?

So lying about his high school and college behavior when he could have been honest and admitted he was different now is no big deal?

Claiming it's a Clinton CT why a woman is telling him about one of the things he did in high school?

WTF was he hiding when he evaded questions, lied outright what the entries in his yearbook meant and filibustered the questions he clearly didn't want to answer honestly?

How is that kind of **** OK in testimony under oath?
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The beclowning continues.
Beclown? That's funny coming from the person who thinks I can't be aware of conspiracies surrounding Kavanaugh's yearbook quotes without first watching his testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee.
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The tickets would be part of the "memorable" category. The fight certainly could fit into traumatic. I got kicked in the balls, and punched in the face and body multiple times, also choked by a 27 year old man that was 6' 1" and about 240 lbs. I won the fight, but that doesn't mean I didn't get my ass beat too. (i was much younger, and not nearly that built or heavy) I still have a scar from it, though not mentally like Ford just a physical one.

If she had a more traumatic experience, according to her those are burned into your memory helping you keep the experience in a more permanent way. If I can remember those details about something not as traumatic, or even just something memorable -- perhaps she should've been able to also. Was she drunk at the time too? (i need to review her testimony again) More questions than answers. I'm not saying she made up the account, but it certainly seems like there are some inconsistencies like her naming witnesses that do not corroborate her story, or in one case says she never met Kavanaugh or could recall any incident like she described.
Different people are different.

Feel free to not understand how Dr. Ford doesn’t remember details you think you would. I can’t understand how people use arguments from incredulity.
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Beclown? That's funny coming from the person who thinks I can't be aware of conspiracies surrounding Kavanaugh's yearbook quotes without first watching his testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Johnny's right. A lot of what you are posting in this thread is not just wrong, you're making assertions the actual testimony contradicts.
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Feel free to not understand how Dr. Ford doesn’t remember details you think you would. I can’t understand how people use arguments from incredulity.
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Old 29th September 2018, 08:48 PM   #271
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Matt Damon portrays angry weepy Kavanaugh on the SNL cold opener. He likes beer.
https://hollywoodlife.com/2018/09/29...ld-open-video/
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Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin View Post
Different people are different.

Feel free to not understand how Dr. Ford doesn’t remember details you think you would. I can’t understand how people use arguments from incredulity.
I think these types of thoughts correlate heavily with the "If I were there I would have pulled out my revolver and shot all 12 terrorists," fantasy.

(and no, that's not an invitation to derail the thread into a gun debate)
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Mostly?

So lying about his high school and college behavior when he could have been honest and admitted he was different now is no big deal?

Claiming it's a Clinton CT why a woman is telling him about one of the things he did in high school?

WTF was he hiding when he evaded questions, lied outright what the entries in his yearbook meant and filibustered the questions he clearly didn't want to answer honestly?

How is that kind of **** OK in testimony under oath?

As I said in a prior post, I have not watched his testimony yet. You'll have to point out specifically, with proof, what he lied about. Not what you think you lied about.
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As I said in a prior post, I have not watched his testimony yet. You'll have to point out specifically, with proof, what he lied about. Not what you think you lied about.


We've done that in great detail, more than once in this thread, and by more folks than me.
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Beclown? That's funny coming from the person who thinks I can't be aware of conspiracies surrounding Kavanaugh's yearbook quotes without first watching his testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

If you think his high school yearbook is damning, just wait till the Dimms get hold of his kindergarten coloring books -- he drew outside the lines. Gasp!

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Originally Posted by Slings and Arrows View Post
If you think his high school yearbook is damning, just wait till the Dimms get hold of his kindergarten coloring book -- he drew outside the lines. Gasp!
Knocking down those straw men must be so satisfying.

In case you need that explained:

It's not the yearbook comments, it's that they support behavior that goes with what Ford says happened.

It's not the yearbook comments, it's that he continually lied about the meaning of them when asked under oath.

They make him look bad and he lied because they made him look bad. The lie was told this week, not something he did in high school.
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Johnny's right. A lot of what you are posting in this thread is not just wrong, you're making assertions the actual testimony contradicts.
Example?
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Well, I’ve seen only a few video snippets of Kavanaugh’s Thursday appearance. However, I have read quite a bit of the transcript.

Politics aside, I wouldn’t vote to put that man on a school board. The personal presentation and interaction was as amateurish as it gets, and couldn’t have been more embarrassing.

Irrespective of the Dr. Ford allegations, I would vote to deny Kavanaugh’s nomination. And do so without even so much as a second guess.
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Example?
I'm not going to chase your nonsensical denials.
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