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Old 6th October 2018, 08:27 PM   #361
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
It allows him to collect and misuse an election fund.
That too. I also believe it's a thrill for him.
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Old 6th October 2018, 08:33 PM   #362
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
It allows him to collect and misuse an election fund.
As long as he is running, he can use the funds for almost anything. But not once he stops.
So I assume he will keep on running in elections until he dies.
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It always astonished me that the other Republican candidates didn't unload on Trump early. Bush, Rubio and Cruz all certainly had the resources to expose Trump. The Republican leadership was contemptuous of Trump. But they didn't take him seriously either.
Yes but remember that the National Review did a whole issue on the disaster that a Dump presidency would be and it had no discernible effect. The lesson, then, is that what GOP leadership and conservative media, with one exception, thought had little or nothing to do with Dump's political career. That's because he and his cult members just ignored them and rode the one exception, Fox, straight into the Oval Office.

For example, remember all the pundit speculation on whether the latest gaffe was the final straw that would break the camel's back. Pussy grabbing. Slamming a gold star family. And on and on and on .... All of those would have ended other campaigns but not Dump's. There was nothing that Bush or Rubio or any other candidate could "expose" of Dump that would have stopped him since the extreme exposures that did happen did not, in fact, stop him.

One could speculate that, in fact, such exposures might have even helped him since one of his attractions was that he was "sticking it to the Man" so being unconventional and naughty, for lack of a better word, just burnished the image that made him the unassailable cult leader.
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Old 6th October 2018, 10:39 PM   #364
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Huh.

Bolding mine. Also, I don't have access to the full paper, so I'm unable to more deeply check the methodology and specifics.
This is the sentence before your bolding:
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By comparing within and across the election years, our analyses revealed the nature of support for Trump, including that support for Trump was better predicted by lower verbal ability than education or income.
I'm not sure how they could conclude that since verbal ability is strongly correlated with education and income. As you say, the devil is in the details.
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Old 6th October 2018, 10:43 PM   #365
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Rejected by Americans at the polls, *then* summarily indicted (and arrested, for good measure) for his crimes. He cannot have too much scorn heaped upon him. A complete fraud and conman of traitorous proportion who's helping Putin to divide and wreck the US.
This. Oh, so very much this scenario. Not just arrested but convicted and jailed. And the kids, too, as a bit of icing on the cake.
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Old 6th October 2018, 11:43 PM   #366
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Originally Posted by SezMe View Post
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One could speculate that, in fact, such exposures might have even helped him since one of his attractions was that he was "sticking it to the Man" so being unconventional and naughty, for lack of a better word, just burnished the image that made him the unassailable cult leader.

Everybody knew he was a crude jerk. For some that was his appeal, "politically incorrect" and all that. I was thinking along the lines of exposing his false public image: Commercials with Trump U. victims that he cheated and tradesmen that he stiffed, details about how he forced tenants out of buildings he took over, deep investigation into his shady financial dealings and Mafia connections, a close look at the 4,000 lawsuits he's been in, etc. Bush had a $100 millon war chest. He could have paid for plenty of oppo research.
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Old 7th October 2018, 03:55 AM   #367
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A history professor, specialising in the Holocaust, Nazi Germany, and Europe during the world wars has written an interesting piece about the differences and similarities between Trump's presidency and the methods of the Nazis, as well as other actors like Putin
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Old 7th October 2018, 04:31 AM   #368
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After big loss it's always best to invoke the Nazis in your rant
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After big loss it's always best to invoke the Nazis in your rant
If it talks like a Nazi, imprisons innocent children like a Nazi, is racist like a Nazi.......
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When the bloody glove fits...
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Old 7th October 2018, 04:42 AM   #371
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
What's this mean, you don't care about Trump's tax cheating and finance fraud because, who didn't know that?
Simply meant as a sardonic joke reply, highlighting that with all thatís going on in the world, TP on the Presidentís shoe seems newsworthy.

Zero hidden meaning or agenda.
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B View Post
Simply meant as a sardonic joke reply, highlighting that with all thatís going on in the world, TP on the Presidentís shoe seems newsworthy.

Zero hidden meaning or agenda.
I dunno, Trump cultists probably think it's fake news because they believe Trump doesn't poop.
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
After big loss it's always best to invoke the Nazis in your rant
Of course, you typed this post after having read the article...
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Old 7th October 2018, 05:08 AM   #374
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Wow.
Thanks to Guiliani for showcasing who's on the wrong side of history.
Don't worry. They'll be re-writing it anyway.

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I don't want to see Trump impeached. That would make him a martyr and our politics even uglier and more divisive than they are now. I want to see him get rejected -- instead of reelected -- by the voters on November 3, 2020. Remember that date!
Won't make a difference. Trump and his ilk have already laid the groundwork for deligitimising any election that goes against them. It'll still make politics more divisive.
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
After big loss it's always best to invoke the Nazis in your rant
He did make the "very fine people" remark so it's a fair comparison.

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Despite all the hyperbole, when you have a candidate (for reelection) with Trump's soft numbers, someone who managed to get themselves elected despite losing the popular vote by 2.9 million votes, everything has to line up just right. The working class/middle class anger that helped him win could flip on him. He can't afford to have many people thinking like Ms. Baker does.
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Ms. Baker works at a hair salon in Stark County, Ohio, which flipped to Mr. Trump after choosing Mr. Obama twice, and she said the president was an economic disappointment. ď[Trump]ís not there for the poor and the middle class,Ē she said, sitting on her motherís couch in the small town of Rittman. ďI thought he would be, but heís not.Ē story link

It may be wishful thinking on my part, but I have a hunch he won't win reelection. In fact, losing a bid for a second term would be as much in keeping with who Trump is, as was his surprising victory in 2016. His business career has made it clear: he's a loser not a winner. Give him enough rope and he has hung himself every time.
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
Despite all the hyperbole, when you have a candidate (for reelection) with Trump's soft numbers, someone who managed to get themselves elected despite losing the popular vote by 2.9 million votes, everything has to line up just right. The working class/middle class anger that helped him win could flip on him. He can't afford to have many people thinking like Ms. Baker does.



It may be wishful thinking on my part, but I have a hunch he won't win reelection. In fact, losing a bid for a second term would be as much in keeping with who Trump is, as was his surprising victory in 2016. His business career has made it clear: he's a loser not a winner. Give him enough rope and he has hung himself every time.
Now that we've confirmed that his father gave him a substantial fortune we know he's not a great businessman. The average Edward Jones broker in a strip mall could do better than Trump did with that $413 million.
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Now that we've confirmed that his father gave him a substantial fortune we know he's not a great businessman. The average Edward Jones broker in a strip mall could do better than Trump did with that $413 million.

He was smart enough to be born to a rich father. Were you that smart? I don't think so.
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An interesting article (and, of coure, by no means a rant). The likening of Mitch McConnel to Hindenburg is particularly telling, I think.


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Old 7th October 2018, 06:49 AM   #380
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"You don’t hand matches to an arsonist, and you don’t give power to an angry left-wing mob. Democrats have become too EXTREME and TOO DANGEROUS to govern. Republicans believe in the rule of law - not the rule of the mob. VOTE REPUBLICAN!"

"Beautiful evening in Topeka, Kansas. VOTE, VOTE, VOTE! #MAGA"

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Old 7th October 2018, 06:53 AM   #381
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The spirit of PT Barnum lives large today in American politics.
Approximately 1/2 of all Americans are below average intelligence.
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Approximately 1/2 of all Americans are below average intelligence.
I have it on the authority of all parents that their children are above average.
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Of course, Fox News, Trump and the Republican Party are going to campaign hard to get Trump reelected, and they're going to say he's doing a great job. But the reality is, he's going to be a pretty easy target to run against. It will be easy to put him on the defensive. From a candidate with no record who could (and did) promise anything, he'll be an incumbent who will have to defend his record.

Polling now shows only 28%-32% of those surveyed said they would vote for Trump in 2020, his approval ratings have been consistently in the 38%-42% range, a candidate who lost the popular vote by almost 3.0 million votes. I'm glad I'm not one of his staffers because if I was, I'd be very worried that I'll be out of work come January 2021.
Which outright lie that will rally his base do you think Trump will not be capable of telling during the 2020 campaign? The 2020 campaign is going to make it's own history. Admittedly, Trump got in on the narrowest of margins (the margins in those last few states he needed to get the electoral majority - Michigan, PA, etc.), so repeating that is less likely than not, to some extent.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
trump Tweets

"You donít hand matches to an arsonist, and you donít give power to an angry left-wing mob. Democrats have become too EXTREME and TOO DANGEROUS to govern. Republicans believe in the rule of law - not the rule of the mob. VOTE REPUBLICAN!"

"Beautiful evening in Topeka, Kansas. VOTE, VOTE, VOTE! #MAGA"
Clearly that "Republican" doesn't believe in the rule of tax law.
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Trump won't need to rally his base in 2020. They'll be there no matter what. But his base appears to be only about 30% of the electorate. That's not enough to win reelection and what he'll need to do is hang on to the swing voters who helped him win in 2016. He appears to already be losing many of them. In interviews they have made it clear. They voted for him on the basis they thought he was committed to improving the lives of working class/middle class people. But he's demonstrated that he is not.

As a prominent New York social columnist once wrote, when Donnie burst on the scene almost forty years ago, he was the darling of the Big Apple. But not for long. Liz Smith of the New York Daily News wrote, Trump's problem is, when people get to know him, most people don't like him.
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Approximately 1/2 of all Americans are below average intelligence.
And yet 80 percent of Americans believe they are of above average intelligence including me.

And that worries me.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
"You donít hand matches to an arsonist, and you donít give power to an angry left-wing mob. Democrats have become too EXTREME and TOO DANGEROUS to govern. Republicans believe in the rule of law - not the rule of the mob. VOTE REPUBLICAN!"
Seems like an easier solution would be to make being a Democrat illegal.
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Trump won't need to rally his base in 2020. They'll be there no matter what. But his base appears to be only about 30% of the electorate. That's not enough to win reelection and what he'll need to do is hang on to the swing voters who helped him win in 2016. He appears to already be losing many of them. In interviews they have made it clear. They voted for him on the basis they thought he was committed to improving the lives of working class/middle class people. But he's demonstrated that he is not.



As a prominent New York social columnist once wrote, when Donnie burst on the scene almost forty years ago, he was the darling of the Big Apple. But not for long. Liz Smith of the New York Daily News wrote, Trump's problem is, when people get to know him, most people don't like him.


I think this is spot on and if there is any down turn in the economy before 2020 he is toast. Frankly, most other presidents with this economy would have super high approval ratings. He can't break 40 with a humming economy.


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I think this is spot on and if there is any down turn in the economy before 2020 he is toast. Frankly, most other presidents with this economy would have super high approval ratings. He can't break 40 with a humming economy.


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I think you're looking at the wrong economic indicators. The economy is doing great if you look at GDP and the Dow. What's not happening fast enough, certainly not fast enough to keep up with the cost of living is wage growth. The economy sucks if you look at wages.


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/wa...nds-2018-07-17
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I think you're looking at the wrong economic indicators. The economy is doing great if you look at GDP and the Dow. What's not happening fast enough, certainly not fast enough to keep up with the cost of living is wage growth. The economy sucks if you look at wages.





https://www.marketwatch.com/story/wa...nds-2018-07-17


I agree but I think many voters will hear the economy is good and not pay attention to those details. Of course, many are feeling the pain you talk about and continue to support Trump. I do believe this will slowly chip away Trumps support if it doesn't improve.


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I agree but I think many voters will hear the economy is good and not pay attention to those details. Of course, many are feeling the pain you talk about and continue to support Trump. I do believe this will slowly chip away Trumps support if it doesn't improve.


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Some might, but a lot of people could easily be upset that while they can get a job, they need 2 or 3 jobs to keep a roof over their head and still not be able to pay for the medicine they need.
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If Democratic Protesters want legitimacy, they need to bring Tiki-torches
Sadly, the Trumpkins have demonstrated that they throw their morals and decency away only for Trump. If someone else dares do any of the things they routinely handwave when it comes from Trump, they are up in arms.

Up in arms with a stright face, I might add. They seem to know they are throwing rocks in houses of glass and they just don't care :/ .
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Many of the swing voters are people of moderate means (and views for the most part), upset and resentful that the big shots in Washington only pay them lip service, while failing to do the tangible things that could make their lives easier. In 2016 Hillary Clinton bore that brunt of their anger. In 2020 it could well be Trump the incumbent who gets it. I'm thinking of voters who have no particular ideological allegiance to Trump. People I know who voted for Trump and supported The Wall but without having any real hostility towards Hispanics (some are Hispanic!). They believed that barring illegal, low-wage immigrants would help boost employment and wages. Keeping America white and Anglo was not on their radar.

Now a lot of them suspect Trump never really planned on building The Wall or, at best, knew it would be politically impossible to finance. Some of the people I know who voted for Trump in 2016 have already turned on him.
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Old 7th October 2018, 10:09 AM   #396
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I agree but I think many voters will hear the economy is good and not pay attention to those details. Of course, many are feeling the pain you talk about and continue to support Trump. I do believe this will slowly chip away Trumps support if it doesn't improve.


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Unemployment is also way down. People coming out of a recession are probably more interested in having a steady paycheck, than whether that paycheck is growing a lot every year. Especially with low inflation.

GDP, inflation, employment... It's probably going to be tough to sell a Dem ticket in the midterms if your pitch is, "... yes, but you're not considering wage stagnation. Because you're stupid."
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Unemployment is also way down. People coming out of a recession are probably more interested in having a steady paycheck, than whether that paycheck is growing a lot every year. Especially with low inflation.

GDP, inflation, employment... It's probably going to be tough to sell a Dem ticket in the midterms if your pitch is, "... yes, but you're not considering wage stagnation. Because you're stupid."
Unemployment has been way down for a while now.
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Unemployment has been way down for a while now.
Are you just agreeing with me, or do you intend us to infer something else beyond that?
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Are you just agreeing with me, or do you intend us to infer something else beyond that?
Trump's economy is a straight continuation of the Obama economy when it comes to employment. In fact, there are places that had to close because of the Trump tariffs.
The only things Trump has boosted is the Stock market, which only few people still have major positions on.
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Trump's economy is a straight continuation of the Obama economy when it comes to employment. In fact, there are places that had to close because of the Trump tariffs.
The only things Trump has boosted is the Stock market, which only few people still have major positions on.
What does this have to do with how the voters' sense of the economy might influence their vote in the mid terms?
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