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Old 30th September 2018, 03:44 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by SezMe View Post
Isn't this just window dressing to satisfy Wall Street and the drown-it-in-a-bathtub conservatives. It doesn't kick in until 2025. Does anybody believe it will last that long?
The article states:

"Despite the House vote, it is unlikely the Senate will take up the legislation."

Would I be right in assuming that means it's unlikely to actually get passed?
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Old 30th September 2018, 05:25 AM   #42
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Kanye West says he can support Trump because West is not concerned about racism

He seemed concerned about racism during the crowning moment of his career - "George Bush doesn't care about black people".
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Old 30th September 2018, 06:42 AM   #43
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Kanye West doesn't care about black people.
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Old 30th September 2018, 08:05 AM   #44
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Kanye West doesn't care about black people.

FTFY.

In this, I suspect Mr. West is probably of an Equal Opportunity stance in his lack of concern.

I doubt he cares about anybody but himself.

This may explain his apparent kinship to Trump.
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Old 30th September 2018, 08:08 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
FTFY.

In this, I suspect Mr. West is probably of an Equal Opportunity stance in his lack of concern.

I doubt he cares about anybody but himself.

This may explain his apparent kinship to Trump.
This is probably true. From what little of his music I've listened to, it seemed self referential. It seems a bit of a case of like seeks like.
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Old 30th September 2018, 10:47 AM   #46
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Trump Tweeted

"Like many, I don’t watch Saturday Night Live (even though I past hosted it) - no longer funny, no talent or charm. It is just a political ad for the Dems. Word is that Kanye West, who put on a MAGA hat after the show (despite being told “no”), was great. He’s leading the charge!"

"So if African-American unemployment is now at the lowest number in history, median income the highest, and you then add all of the other things I have done, how do Democrats, who have done NOTHING for African-Americans but TALK, win the Black Vote? And it will only get better!"
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Old 30th September 2018, 12:09 PM   #47
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Trump doesn't watch anything that doesn't fawn all over him. He gets his highs from rallies and FOX News. We saw how he handles being poked fun at when Obama was roasted him at the WH Correspondents Dinner. He could barely contain his anger when Obama made fun of the birther nonsense.
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Old 30th September 2018, 02:11 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweeted

"Like many, I dont watch Saturday Night Live (even though I past hosted it) - no longer funny, no talent or charm. It is just a political ad for the Dems. Word is that Kanye West, who put on a MAGA hat after the show (despite being told no), was great. Hes leading the charge!"

"So if African-American unemployment is now at the lowest number in history, median income the highest, and you then add all of the other things I have done, how do Democrats, who have done NOTHING for African-Americans but TALK, win the Black Vote? And it will only get better!"
Sure, median income will naturally be highest today as long as there has been some tiny increment over time. But the raw number means squat if the *buying power* is actually the same or less. Just by way of illustration using numbers I'll pull out of my arse: Today's 40K salary could be effectively less than 1970's 15K wage.

I hate the selective use of statistics.
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Old 30th September 2018, 02:17 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by Lurch View Post

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop
Trump Tweeted
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"Like many, I dont watch Saturday Night Live (even though I past hosted it) - no longer funny, no talent or charm. It is just a political ad for the Dems. Word is that Kanye West, who put on a MAGA hat after the show (despite being told no), was great. Hes leading the charge!"

"So if African-American unemployment is now at the lowest number in history, median income the highest, and you then add all of the other things I have done, how do Democrats, who have done NOTHING for African-Americans but TALK, win the Black Vote? And it will only get better!"


Sure, median income will naturally be highest today as long as there has been some tiny increment over time. But the raw number means squat if the *buying power* is actually the same or less. Just by way of illustration using numbers I'll pull out of my arse: Today's 40K salary could be effectively less than 1970's 15K wage.

I hate the selective use of statistics.
That's true regarding buying power. In the 1970's a family could live well on $25,000 a year. Not so today.

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In 1970 the average income per year was $9,350.00 and by 1979 was $17,550.00. In 1970 a gallon of gas was 36 cents and by 1979 was 86 cents. In 1970 the average cost of new car was $3,900.00 and by 1979 was $5,770.00.
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Old 30th September 2018, 02:19 PM   #50
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweeted

"Like many, I dont watch Saturday Night Live (even though I past hosted it) - no longer funny, no talent or charm. It is just a political ad for the Dems. Word is that Kanye West, who put on a MAGA hat after the show (despite being told no), was great. Hes leading the charge!"

"So if African-American unemployment is now at the lowest number in history, median income the highest, and you then add all of the other things I have done, how do Democrats, who have done NOTHING for African-Americans but TALK, win the Black Vote? And it will only get better!"
Not separating out blacks, the general message to low income voters was that Trump was going to give the jobs. Cappy jobs. Hillary offered community college and careers. They just wanted the crappy jobs.
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Old 30th September 2018, 02:24 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweeted

"Like many, I dont watch Saturday Night Live (even though I past hosted it) - no longer funny, no talent or charm. It is just a political ad for the Dems. Word is that Kanye West, who put on a MAGA hat after the show (despite being told no), was great. Hes leading the charge!"

"So if African-American unemployment is now at the lowest number in history, median income the highest, and you then add all of the other things I have done, how do Democrats, who have done NOTHING for African-Americans but TALK, win the Black Vote? And it will only get better!"
Oh, I dunno...how about the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and 1965, desegregation, and regulations against racial bias in federal employment for starts?

What has Trump done for blacks besides keep them from renting his apartments?
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Old 30th September 2018, 02:34 PM   #52
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Oh, I dunno...how about the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and 1965, desegregation, and regulations against racial bias in federal employment for starts?

What has Trump done for blacks besides keep them from renting his apartments?
I think he grabbed one of the black Miss Teen America contestants. Isnt that enough?
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Trump becomes president, and suddenly black people everywhere are now getting jobs.

He's a magic man, I tell you. A magic man!

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Such a great song.

Who knew that they were actually singing about Donald Trump all this time?
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Old 30th September 2018, 03:22 PM   #54
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I think he grabbed one of the black Miss Teen America contestants. Isnt that enough?
And he did let "his" African-American attend his rally.
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Old 30th September 2018, 04:46 PM   #55
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Not separating out blacks, the general message to low income voters was that Trump was going to give the jobs. Cappy jobs. Hillary offered community college and careers. They just wanted the crappy jobs.
Free community college, maybe, and still tens of thousands in student debt to hopefully get to a good career, where you'll have to compete with well-educated immigrants being brought in on H-1B visas for the purpose of bidding down wages with the STEM jobs.

I don't get the appeal of voting for Trump outside of the bigotry, anarchistic nihilism, and maybe this:
https://medium.com/@Chris_arnade/tru...s-1e364a4ed940
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"Frustrated with broken promises, they gave up on the knowable and went with the unknowable. They chose Trump, because he comes with a very high distribution. A high volatility. (He also signals in ugly ways, that he might just move them, and only them and their friends, higher with his stated policies).

As any trader will tell you, if you are stuck lower, you want volatility, uncertainty. No matter how it comes. Put another way. Your downside is flat, your upside isn’t. Break the system.

The elites loathe volatility. Because, the upside is limited, but the downside isn’t. In option language, they are in the money.

To put it in very non-geeky language: A two-tiered system has one set of people who want to keep the system, and another that doesn’t. Each one is voting for their own best interests.
...But what Hillary was offering the working class sucked.
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Free community college, maybe, and still tens of thousands in student debt to hopefully get to a good career, where you'll have to compete with well-educated immigrants being brought in on HB1 visas for the purpose of bidding down wages with the STEM jobs.
Riiight.

Fact Sheet The H-1B Visa Program:
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How do H-1B visas impact wages?

Despite suggestions to the contrary, the overwhelming evidence shows that H-1B workers do not drive down wages of native-born workers, with some studies showing a positive impact on wages overall.
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How in the world would bringing in surplus labor drive wages UP?

eta: The "American Immigration Council" appears to be one of those right-libertarian "nonprofits".

I'm seeing a client list that include:

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/board

(from the board)
https://www.klaskolaw.com/team-member/william-a-stock/

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Industries Served:

Information Technology
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Universities
Scientific Community (Researchers, Scientists)
Biotechnology
Engineering
Manufacturing
Pharmaceutical
Research Institutions
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweeted

"Like many, I dont watch Saturday Night Live (even though I past hosted it) - no longer funny, no talent or charm. It is just a political ad for the Dems. Word is that Kanye West, who put on a MAGA hat after the show (despite being told no), was great. Hes leading the charge!"

"So if African-American unemployment is now at the lowest number in history, median income the highest, and you then add all of the other things I have done, how do Democrats, who have done NOTHING for African-Americans but TALK, win the Black Vote? And it will only get better!"
Kanye West, again, is a buffoon who shouldn't be taken seriously outside of a music studio - and possibly not even then at this point.

(Oh, he also suggested abolishing the 13th amendment earlier today)

As for black support of Dolt 45:

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As for black support of Dolt 45:

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The more things change, the more they stay the same....
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The article states:

"Despite the House vote, it is unlikely the Senate will take up the legislation."

Would I be right in assuming that means it's unlikely to actually get passed?
You would.
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Meet the new NAFTA, almost the same as the old NAFTA but with a different name. On Sunday night, senior officials in the Canadian government confirmed that their government had reached a tentative deal with the United States for a renegotiated North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). Astonishingly, the new trade agreement is only a minor shift from the status quo and from previous agreements.
Linky.

It was a joke before that he was just going to rename NAFTA and claim victory. Turns out that is exactly what is happening.
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Classic Trump tactic: create a crisis where there was none, and then claiming victory for averting the worst when he stops his sabotage.
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Linky.

It was a joke before that he was just going to rename NAFTA and claim victory. Turns out that is exactly what is happening.
So in a nutshell, the biggest change to the original NAFTA is just the name.

The only other change favourable to the US is Canada allowing a 0.35% increased access to its dairy market from what they were originally willing to concede 8 years ago, and the Canadian dairy tariffs will still be in place either way.

But....

Trump got to change the name of the agreement.

Winning !




Too bad old farts like myself will continue to refer to it as NAFTA, as we've been doing for the past 24 years of our lives.

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"Late last night, our deadline, we reached a wonderful new Trade Deal with Canada, to be added into the deal already reached with Mexico. The new name will be The United States Mexico Canada Agreement, or USMCA. It is a great deal for all three countries, solves the many......"

"....deficiencies and mistakes in NAFTA, greatly opens markets to our Farmers and Manufacturers, reduces Trade Barriers to the U.S. and will bring all three Great Nations together in competition with the rest of the world. The USMCA is a historic transaction!"

"Congratulations to Mexico and Canada!"
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NAFTA rolled off the tongue better....
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I was in grad school in chemistry years ago and we could not recruit enough Americans to fill teaching assistant slots. Half were Asian and a few Europeans. They stayed 4-5 years and got their American degree. They either married an American or went home. There were no visas after the degree, other than a 2 year post doc job.
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NAFTA rolled off the tongue better....
And "USMCA" is just so... Village People.
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NAFTA rolled off the tongue better....
Yeah, should've called it the CAMUS, instead.
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Yeah, should've called it the CAMUS, instead.
They never would have completed the deal if the US didn't get its name first. Some things are just too important to concede.
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Canada and Mexico should have insisted on alphabetical order.
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It just sounds better, is all. But I suspect Trump would never have accepted the US anywhere other than at the start of the name, as stated by Steve.
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You would.
Can I just point out, for the record, that the House is actually a completely worthless political entity? Even if the House does something that someone pays attention to, it has to be up to the Senate to do it properly. And then, after the Senate does it in an acceptable way, it goes back to the house, who just approves what the Senate does.

The only thing the House has for it is that all spending bills have to originate there. But given that, all they do is slop something together and let the Senate deal with the hard work, if they want to.

Now, an opposition house would have a lot of power. But the House, as it is now, is pretty much worthless.
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Trump becomes president, and suddenly black people everywhere are now getting jobs.

He's a magic man, I tell you. A magic man!

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Such a great song.

Who knew that they were actually singing about Donald Trump all this time?
Heart's 1993 album had a track called "My Crazy Head." That's more fitting for Trump, IMO.
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They never would have completed the deal if the US didn't get its name first. Some things are just too important to concede.

I figured for sure he was going to demand the name be changed to something more along the lines of:

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Old 1st October 2018, 08:14 AM   #78
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Yeah, should've called it the CAMUS, instead.

At least CAMUS rolls nicely off the tongue.

And it puts Canada first, which only makes sense... since we're the ones geographically sitting at the very top of the continent. First in line, king of the mountain, top of the pyramid, etc etc.

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Originally Posted by AnonyMoose View Post
At least CAMUS rolls nicely off the tongue.

And it puts Canada first, which only makes sense... since we're the ones geographically sitting at the very top of the continent. First in line, king of the mountain, top of the pyramid, etc etc.

Plus, you know, it puts the countries alphabetically which is only fair.
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
I first read that as "prejuicing the outcome".
Well, Kav does seem to be a bit of a piglet, so that's an understandable misreading.

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