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Old 6th October 2018, 07:43 AM   #321
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B View Post
TP is more newsworthy.
The tee-pee tape even more so.
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Old 6th October 2018, 08:02 AM   #322
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Good to see that the Republicans' avowed support of due process lasted a long time.
As if we needed more proof that Trump supporters aren't real Americans.
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Old 6th October 2018, 08:37 AM   #323
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
As if we needed more proof that Trump supporters aren't real Americans.
Not fair.

I loathe Trump, but some of his supporters are real Americans.
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Old 6th October 2018, 08:43 AM   #324
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
Not fair.

I loathe Trump, but some of his supporters are real Americans.
In fact, they're "real Americans" in the truest sense of the term. Ignorant, hateful, always looking for glory via war.

So, could we finally change the terms?
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Old 6th October 2018, 09:28 AM   #325
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
Not fair.

I loathe Trump, but some of his supporters are real Americans.
Anyone who supports Trump deserves scorn.
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Old 6th October 2018, 10:23 AM   #326
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But many people around the rest of the country seemed unaware of some of the criticism The Don got over the years. They never heard of the United States Football League, the Trump Shuttle. They knew very little about Atlantic City and the questionable strategy he followed there. They were of the opinion -- I heard this a number of times -- that they admired the fact that he was a businessman who suffered some business failures, yet regrouped and became even more successful. I think the television show The Apprentice helped him immeasurably, in introducing Trump to the rest of the U.S. and doing it on his terms.
That's a disgraceful failure of the mass media. They mostly treated him as an entertainer and an sideshow, rather than a serious and dangerous leader of a movement. CNN and other outlets routinely allowed him to conduct live interviews by telephone, rather than coming into a studio like everybody else, and CNN in particular gave enormous amounts of air time to Trump surrogates, particularly that deranged Katrina woman. Ex-CBS head (and we know why he's "ex") famously said, "It may not be good for America, but it's damn good for CBS."
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ne...ump-may-871464

It always astonished me that the other Republican candidates didn't unload on Trump early. Bush, Rubio and Cruz all certainly had the resources to expose Trump. The Republican leadership was contemptuous of Trump. But they didn't take him seriously either.
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Old 6th October 2018, 11:17 AM   #327
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That's a disgraceful failure of the mass media. They mostly treated him as an entertainer and an sideshow, rather than a serious and dangerous leader of a movement. CNN and other outlets routinely allowed him to conduct live interviews by telephone, rather than coming into a studio like everybody else, and CNN in particular gave enormous amounts of air time to Trump surrogates, particularly that deranged Katrina woman. Ex-CBS head (and we know why he's "ex") famously said, "It may not be good for America, but it's damn good for CBS."
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ne...ump-may-871464

It always astonished me that the other Republican candidates didn't unload on Trump early. Bush, Rubio and Cruz all certainly had the resources to expose Trump. The Republican leadership was contemptuous of Trump. But they didn't take him seriously either.
I'll co-sign this. Dolt 45 should never have made it past Iowa, much less into the Oval Office by the same press that he delighted on insulting.

(By the way, hang onto this note - the habit of supporting people that tell you they hate you will come up, again and again.)
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Old 6th October 2018, 11:24 AM   #328
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Trump was a drug for the media that they thought they could quit whenever they wanted to.
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Old 6th October 2018, 11:45 AM   #329
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
Not fair.

I loathe Trump, but some of his supporters are real Americans.
Bull ****. You can't be a real, loyal, patriotic American and put a filthy Russian whore in the White House.
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Old 6th October 2018, 11:48 AM   #330
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Bull ****. You can't be a real, loyal, patriotic American and put a filthy Russian whore in the White House.
I disagree.

Buying Snake-Oil from a Con-Man is a very old American tradition.
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Old 6th October 2018, 12:06 PM   #331
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Bull ****. You can't be a real, loyal, patriotic American and put a filthy Russian whore in the White House.
So, are you working to change the definition of "real American"?
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Old 6th October 2018, 01:03 PM   #332
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Huh.

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Using data from the American National Election Studies, we investigated the relationship between cognitive ability and attitudes toward and actual voting for presidential candidates in the 2012 and 2016 U.S. presidential elections (i.e., Romney, Obama, Trump, and Clinton). Isolating this relationship from competing relationships, results showed that verbal ability was a significant negative predictor of support and voting for Trump (but not Romney) and a positive predictor of support and voting for Obama and Clinton. By comparing within and across the election years, our analyses revealed the nature of support for Trump, including that support for Trump was better predicted by lower verbal ability than education or income. In general, these results suggest that the 2016 U.S. presidential election had less to do with party affiliation, income, or education and more to do with basic cognitive ability.
Bolding mine. Also, I don't have access to the full paper, so I'm unable to more deeply check the methodology and specifics.
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Old 6th October 2018, 02:40 PM   #333
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
I disagree.

Buying Snake-Oil from a Con-Man is a very old American tradition.
The spirit of PT Barnum lives large today in American politics.
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Old 6th October 2018, 03:09 PM   #334
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The early polling numbers for 2020 -- and even the pollsters say it's probably too early -- show Trump with polling numbers between 28% and 32% against 11 potential Democratic candidates. Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren all beat him. There is a huge undecided factor, which gets bigger with candidates who have lesser name recognition. [Poll below, click to enlarge.]
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From a floor of 28 percent to a ceiling of 32 percent he has a very solid base of supporters — but it’s a base that is just not that big. For all the attention lavished on “Trump Voters Still Like Trump” stories, a candidate who got 46 percent of the vote in 2016 can only count on about a third of the electorate to commit to his reelection. News link

I don't want to see Trump impeached. That would make him a martyr and our politics even uglier and more divisive than they are now. I want to see him get rejected -- instead of reelected -- by the voters on November 3, 2020. Remember that date!
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Old 6th October 2018, 03:40 PM   #335
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So, are you working to change the definition of "real American"?
Last I looked, the definition was fight for the rights of every man
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Last I looked, the definition was fight for the rights of every man
Not women?
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Trump was a drug for the media that they thought they could quit whenever they wanted to.
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Old 6th October 2018, 03:48 PM   #338
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The early polling numbers for 2020 -- and even the pollsters say it's probably too early -- show Trump with polling numbers between 28% and 32% against 11 potential Democratic candidates. Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren all beat him. There is a huge undecided factor, which gets bigger with candidates who have lesser name recognition. [Poll below, click to enlarge.]



I don't want to see Trump impeached. That would make him a martyr and our politics even uglier and more divisive than they are now. I want to see him get rejected -- instead of reelected -- by the voters on November 3, 2020. Remember that date!

I can't decide which I'd prefer: Trump gets impeached for criminal acts including, but not restricted to, conspiracy, tax fraud, obstruction of justice or rejected by the American people in 2020. Either way, it'll be a day to celebrate.
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I can't decide which I'd prefer: Trump gets impeached for criminal acts including, but not restricted to, conspiracy, tax fraud, obstruction of justice or rejected by the American people in 2020. Either way, it'll be a day to celebrate.
Rejected by Americans at the polls, *then* summarily indicted (and arrested, for good measure) for his crimes. He cannot have too much scorn heaped upon him. A complete fraud and conman of traitorous proportion who's helping Putin to divide and wreck the US.
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Unlike in 2016, in 2020 Trump will have to run on his record and I think even The Don will have a tough time trying to spin that. He's accomplished very little and with the midterms looming, he's faced with having to work with a very skeptical Congress.
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Rejected by Americans at the polls, *then* summarily indicted (and arrested, for good measure) for his crimes. He cannot have too much scorn heaped upon him. A complete fraud and conman of traitorous proportion who's helping Putin to divide and wreck the US.
I can go with that!
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Unlike in 2016, in 2020 Trump will have to run on his record and I think even The Don will have a tough time trying to spin that. He's accomplished very little and with the midterms looming, he's faced with having to work with a very skeptical Congress.
He has on his side the economy...and he will continue to claim it was all due to him ignoring that it was steadily on the upswing since 2010. And the idiots supporters will believe it just like they believe everything he says despite the facts.
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He has on his side the economy...and he will continue to claim it was all due to him ignoring that it was steadily on the upswing since 2010. And the idiots supporters will believe it just like they believe everything he says despite the facts.
I don't actually think he has the economy on his side and I think it's about to get worse for everyday people. Jobs are plentiful, livable incomes are not.
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I don't actually think he has the economy on his side and I think it's about to get worse for everyday people. Jobs are plentiful, livable incomes are not.
People think he does. They look at the unemployment rate and the stock market. They look at taxes. The trouble is, his tariffs are affecting prices. My husband's company actually paid more in taxes this year and the tariffs are killing them. I had new gutters installed and the owner said it was a good thing I had it done now as he was having to raise his prices shortly due to the tariffs.
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Unlike in 2016, in 2020 Trump will have to run on his record and I think even The Don will have a tough time trying to spin that. He's accomplished very little and with the midterms looming, he's faced with having to work with a very skeptical Congress.
...Not according to most Republicans, from what I've seen. It's likely worth remembering that he and Fox News have been consistently and loudly overstating how much he's done and how meaningful the things he's done are.
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...Not according to most Republicans, from what I've seen. It's likely worth remembering that he and Fox News have been consistently and loudly overstating how much he's done and how meaningful the things he's done are.
That it absolutely the truth.
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Of course, Fox News, Trump and the Republican Party are going to campaign hard to get Trump reelected, and they're going to say he's doing a great job. But the reality is, he's going to be a pretty easy target to run against. It will be easy to put him on the defensive. From a candidate with no record who could (and did) promise anything, he'll be an incumbent who will have to defend his record.

Polling now shows only 28%-32% of those surveyed said they would vote for Trump in 2020, his approval ratings have been consistently in the 38%-42% range, a candidate who lost the popular vote by almost 3.0 million votes. I'm glad I'm not one of his staffers because if I was, I'd be very worried that I'll be out of work come January 2021.
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Of course, Fox News, Trump and the Republican Party are going to campaign hard to get Trump reelected, and they're going to say he's doing a great job. But the reality is, he's going to be a pretty easy target to run against. It will be easy to put him on the defensive. From a candidate with no record who could (and did) promise anything, he'll be an incumbent who will have to defend his record.

Polling now shows only 28%-32% of those surveyed said they would vote for Trump in 2020, his approval ratings have been consistently in the 38%-42% range, a candidate who lost the popular vote by almost 3.0 million votes. I'm glad I'm not one of his staffers because if I was, I'd be very worried that I'll be out of work come January 2021.
….or earlier.
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So, are you working to change the definition of "real American"?
No real American would ever sell us out to a Russian whore. They made the bed. Their kind can sleep in it.
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I disagree.

Buying Snake-Oil from a Con-Man is a very old American tradition.
Americans knew about Trump's links with Russia and they voted for him anyway. The failed genetic experiments and products of incest who go to his rallies know Trump is a Russian whore and don't care. I don't care what happens to them. They sold us out to the Russians as if it was nothing. They can rot like the detritus they are.
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...Not according to most Republicans, from what I've seen. It's likely worth remembering that he and Fox News have been consistently and loudly overstating how much he's done and how meaningful the things he's done are.
I think he actually has accomplished a lot. New tariffs, a version of the Muslim ban, a big tax cut, continuing to increase the national debt, a crackdown on illegal immigration (including a prison camp for children), lots of new and often young conservative federal judges, lower environmental standards, rebranding NAFTA for some reason, killing US involvement in the TPP, killing the Iran deal, weakening Obamacare. I may not like most of those things but they have been done by his administration and many of them are well in line with what many Trump voters wanted.
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Of course, Fox News, Trump and the Republican Party are going to campaign hard to get Trump reelected, and they're going to say he's doing a great job. But the reality is, he's going to be a pretty easy target to run against. It will be easy to put him on the defensive. From a candidate with no record who could (and did) promise anything, he'll be an incumbent who will have to defend his record.

Polling now shows only 28%-32% of those surveyed said they would vote for Trump in 2020, his approval ratings have been consistently in the 38%-42% range, a candidate who lost the popular vote by almost 3.0 million votes. I'm glad I'm not one of his staffers because if I was, I'd be very worried that I'll be out of work come January 2021.
Now I could easily be wrong, but it wouldn't shock me if he didn't run again. If it wasn't the adrenaline rush he gets from the rallies he'd want out of there.
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Now I could easily be wrong, but it wouldn't shock me if he didn't run again. If it wasn't the adrenaline rush he gets from the rallies he'd want out of there.
THAT. The Narcissist in Chief loves the power and the attention from his adoring idiots. It's all he could have ever wanted...except for the disgust of the world. But, then again, he simply ignores that and believes everyone thinks he's The Greatest.
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TP is more newsworthy.
What's this mean, you don't care about Trump's tax cheating and finance fraud because, who didn't know that?
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Oh for pity's sake, based on a CT no less.
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People think he does. They look at the unemployment rate and the stock market. They look at taxes. The trouble is, his tariffs are affecting prices. My husband's company actually paid more in taxes this year and the tariffs are killing them. I had new gutters installed and the owner said it was a good thing I had it done now as he was having to raise his prices shortly due to the tariffs.
I don't think the general public understands just how devastating these trade wars and tariffs could be to many, many industries. I don't think the GOP understands how many people in these industries absolutely understand.

Trying to get IATF certified while figuring out material costs/sourcing is damn hard.
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THAT. The Narcissist in Chief loves the power and the attention from his adoring idiots. It's all he could have ever wanted...except for the disgust of the world. But, then again, he simply ignores that and believes everyone thinks he's The Greatest.
There was a time in my life where I gave a lot of speeches. In a couple of them I had a crowds of about 1000 to 1500 people laughing and cheering. It was better than sex. I get the rush.

But no ******* way would I want to be POTUS. But I don't think Trump does the job like others so it's never really hard.
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Trump has been running for 2020 since his inauguration.
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Trump has been running for 2020 since his inauguration.
No, hes been doing rallies. There's a difference.
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Trump has been running for 2020 since his inauguration.
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No, hes been doing rallies. There's a difference.
It allows him to collect and misuse an election fund.
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