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Old 30th September 2018, 02:13 AM   #1
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The Behavior of UK Police officers.

That someone is posting about occupied territory on what used to be sovereign UK soil is evidence that the police of the UK have handed over their authority of a foreign people. The cowardice demonstrated by UK police officers is beyond reckoning. Their cowardice borders complicity in some horrific crimes due to their knowledge of the crimes but refusal to take action.

I hate calling these people police officers because obviously they are not. They are cowards at best. Traitors working for foreign people is likely more accurate.

To me, a police officer is someone who has taken an oath to protect people in their community. If they'd rather run with their between their legs than engage in a confrontation, then a vacuum will emerge. Nature abhors a vacuum. That vacuum will quickly be filled. In many cases in the UK, that vacuum has been filled.

Even UK Police Officers admit as much:

"A Lancashire Police officer, who wished to remain anonymous, told MailOnline: 'There are Muslim areas of Preston that, if we wish to patrol, we have to contact local Muslim community leaders to get their permission'. "

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...oon-RIGHT.html

As for the "at least they don't shoot people!" crowd well, their cowardice is causing deaths, and countless other horrific crimes.

"Murders and rapes going unreported in no-go zones for police as minority communities launch own justice systems"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-systems.html

"The chief inspector of constabulary, Tom Winsor, said some ethnic minority communities are turning their backs on police and rarely, if ever, call them to deal with crimes as serious as murder and sexual assaults against children, instead dealing with them in their own way."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...e-chief-winsor

'Islamic extremists have created "no-go" areas across Britain where it is too dangerous for non-Muslims to enter, one of the Church of England's most senior bishops warns today.'

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...n-Muslims.html

Video footage of UK police running away from Muslims like a bunch of cowards.



It has been made abundantly clear by many that the UK is up for grabs. The police have no duty to protect its citizenry. They are not expected to take risks. They make good people feel hopeless. They terrorize their native population with frivolous "hate speech" laws that only apply to them while letting rapists run free. They embolden bad people by knowing the police have no real authority.


I'd rather have my police not create power vacuums by being complete cowards.

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I didn't realise I was living in Somalia. Thanks for letting me know.

Might move to Yemen to feel safer.
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'More than half of Brits believe the police have lost control of the streets'

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People feel that criminals now have no fear of getting caught and punished for their crimes.

With London’s crime skyrocketing the poll also revealed that a quarter of the population feel unsafe at night where they live.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/678733...-lost-control/


'London murders: Met police seen as losing control, warns ex-officer'

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A former senior police officer has warned that Scotland Yard appears to have lost control of London’s streets and has accused the Metropolitan police leadership of a “deafening” silence as the capital’s murder toll for the year moved past 50.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...rns-ex-officer

‘The streets are lost' Ex-cop warns London knife and gun crime will ‘inevitably get WORSE'

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The troubling statistics show “the streets have been lost” to criminals, who are carrying knives and firearms with impunity, the former Scotland Yard detective said.

As far as the bad guys are concerned, the streets are now theirs,” he told Daily Star Online.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...warning-attack

What incompetence, cowardice.

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'Mick Neville, a retired Scotland Yard detective chief inspector, said yesterday: “The police are very much in danger of losing control of the streets.

“For the last 10-15 years, senior police officers have become more concerned with political correctness and the ‘welfare’ of criminals, rather than victims of crime.

“This has been worsened by politicians interfering and supporting such measures.

So we have stop and search reduced as it ‘upsets’ ethnic minorities, and criminals whizzing around on mopeds without fear of being chased, as officers have been forbidden from chasing them.”'

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/97...cks-crime-wave
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Originally Posted by Baylor View Post
'More than half of Brits believe the police have lost control of the streets'

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/678733...-lost-control/
Which has far more to do with media scaremongering than Muslims.

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'London murders: Met police seen as losing control, warns ex-officer'

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...rns-ex-officer
Number of homicides in London since 1990:



So rising, but still lower than most of 1990 (at least) through to 2008, despite a growing population. Not exactly Götterdämmerung.

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‘The streets are lost' Ex-cop warns London knife and gun crime will ‘inevitably get WORSE'

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...warning-attack

What incompetence, cowardice.
Nothing to do with massive cuts to police budgets and personnel, then?
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'Mick Neville, a retired Scotland Yard detective chief inspector,
A man who claims he was "forced" to take early retirement (with a nice fat payout) because of his "edgy" political views. Not exactly an unbiased source, then.

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said yesterday: “The police are very much in danger of losing control of the streets.

“For the last 10-15 years, senior police officers have become more concerned with political correctness and the ‘welfare’ of criminals, rather than victims of crime.

“This has been worsened by politicians interfering and supporting such measures.

So we have stop and search reduced as it ‘upsets’ ethnic minorities, and criminals whizzing around on mopeds without fear of being chased, as officers have been forbidden from chasing them.”'

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/97...cks-crime-wave
"Cuts in police budgets of hundreds of millions of pounds mean there are now 121,929 officers in England and Wales – nearly 22,000 fewer than eight years ago, say rank-and-file leaders."

So nothing really to do with "cowardice," Muslims, or whatever your bête de jour is.

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A man who claims he was "forced" to take early retirement (with a nice fat payout) because of his "edgy" political views. Not exactly an unbiased source, then.



"Cuts in police budgets of hundreds of millions of pounds mean there are now 121,929 officers in England and Wales – nearly 22,000 fewer than eight years ago, say rank-and-file leaders."

So nothing really to do with "cowardice," Muslims, or whatever your bête de jour is.
The Guardian disagrees with you.

"Ethnicity did play a part in the Rotherham abuse, not because this particular pattern of abuse is restricted to a particular group (the behaviour is typical of many gangs) but because many of those who might have taken action feared the wider, societal, consequences if they did."

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-abuse-scandal

So they'd rather let girls be raped than be called a racist. That is cowardice personified.

The video evidence certainly contradicts your assessment.

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More British Police Officers running away with their tails between their legs.

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Guardian reporter Lisa O’Carroll reported live from the scene of the attack as it occurred Saturday night. Witnesses told her that they had seen police fleeing the scene of the attack.

"Witnesses said they saw two men stabbing people outside the well-known Roast restaurant in Borough market. A chef from the nearby Fish restaurant said: “I saw two guys with big knives downstairs outside Roast. They were stabbing people. The police were running away, they were community police. They were normal officers, they were running away," O'Carroll wrote.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/N...ws.aspx/230584
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More video footage depicting British Police officers running away from confrontation. This is a clear demonstration of who owns the streets of the United Kingdom. It sure ain't the police


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Old 30th September 2018, 06:29 AM   #13
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Perhaps instead of quote mining god knows what, you could pop over and see for yourself.?

I can assure you that we are not huddled under our beds out of fear....

And Community police are not 'normal officers'.

http://www.policecouldyou.co.uk/poli...pport-officer/

"Depending on where you work, you could:

deal with minor offences
offer early intervention to deter people from committing offences
provide support for front-line policing
conduct house-to-house enquiries
guard crime scenes
provide crime prevention advice
You would be a critical part of the force
Although PCSOs do not have the same powers as regular police officers, they still carry a lot of responsibility, and are a critical part of the police service."

Although, TBH, I'm not sure what your aim here is.

Love and support for us poor, under siege Brits?
Sadness for poor people who were abused?
Hatred for cops?
Bloody Mussie kiddy fiddlers?

I have my suspicions...
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Incompetent, castrated police "force" forced to retreat after being intimidated by Muslim gang. Too long to gif.

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I can assure you that we are not huddled under our beds out of fear....
I'm sure you are not. Because you stay in the area still under UK control. What little is left of it.
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Right, thanks. That explains everything.

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You are a bad person if you find tragic train smashes funny...
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The video evidence certainly contradicts your assessment.
Except that the video doesn't show what its title claims. It shows an extract from a much longer (May 2015) incident, and then repeats it. Let's take a look at what actually happened:

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The selective video starts around 9 seconds in and ends 14 seconds later, fading out just before.... the suspect gets TASERed.

All you're doing is cherry-picking disparate exceptional events and distortions to construct a false reality to suit your own bias and bigotry.

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More British Police Officers running away with their tails between their legs.
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Guardian reporter Lisa O’Carroll reported live from the scene of the attack as it occurred Saturday night. Witnesses told her that they had seen police fleeing the scene of the attack.

"Witnesses said they saw two men stabbing people outside the well-known Roast restaurant in Borough market. A chef from the nearby Fish restaurant said: “I saw two guys with big knives downstairs outside Roast. They were stabbing people. The police were running away, they were community police. They were normal officers, they were running away," O'Carroll wrote.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/N...ws.aspx/230584
No, some police officers were guiding the public away. Other police officers - and members of the public - stood and faced the terrorists, buying time until the armed police turned up and shot the terrorists.
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Incompetent, castrated police "force" forced to retreat after being intimidated by Muslim gang. Too long to gif.

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Whatever makes you think the 2011 London riots were a "Muslim" thing?

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British Police too scared to tell Muslims they can't legally pray in royal parks

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I'm sure you are not. Because you stay in the area still under UK control. What little is left of it.
Oooo! Please tell us where the "no-go" areas are? It really would be helpful, because despite living, working, socialising, shopping, etc., in London for the last 17 years, I don't know which bits I should have been avoiding.

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British Police too scared to tell Muslims they can't legally pray in royal parks

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Failure to understand difference between "park rules" and "criminal law" duly noted.

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Except that the video doesn't show what its title claims. It shows a slowed down extract from a much longer incident, and then repeats it. Let's take a look at what actually happened:

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The selective video starts around 9 seconds in and ends 14 seconds later, fading out before.... the suspect gets TASERed.

All you're doing is cherry-picking disparate exceptional events and distortions to construct a false reality to suit your own bias and bigotry.
And look at the body language of the police officer by the railing and of the teenagers he's talking to at this part of the clip after the knife-wielding man has been put into the police van.

Neither look as though they are particularly fearful

https://youtu.be/YXHorIrLFIc?t=3m34s
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Failure to understand difference between "park rules" and "criminal law" duly noted.
Hmm. I think that wakeupslave dot com is probably a bit of a conspiracy site. Although I am only basing it on the domain name

Are you telling me that it is misrepresenting what it is showing?
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I'm not the least bit surprised the Brits are defending the cowardice of their officers. The outcome of this 11 on 1 confrontation was a clear victory for the criminal. More importantly, it was a moral victory for criminal gangs. If British police can't handle an 11 on 1 fight without cowering first, then it shows how easily they can be defeated. The criminal elements in the UK watch these videos. That's why they easily have their way with British officers and declare swaths of land as their own.
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I'm not the least bit surprised the Brits are defending the cowardice of their officers. The outcome of this 11 on 1 confrontation was a clear victory for the criminal. More importantly, it was a moral victory for criminal gangs. If British police can't handle an 11 on 1 fight without cowering first, then it shows how easily they can be defeated. The criminal elements in the UK watch these videos. That's why they easily have their way with British officers and declare swaths of land as their own.
In what way was it a victory for him to be arrested and for there to be no casualties, and for the police to have used the minimal force required to arrest him?

I'd rather the whole social structure was such that the police thought it worthwhile completely outnumbering the knife-wielding criminal than an outcome where lethal force was used when it obviously wasn't needed.
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Hmm. I think that wakeupslave dot com is probably a bit of a conspiracy site. Although I am only basing it on the domain name

Are you telling me that it is misrepresenting what it is showing?
Who cares? It depicts UK officers with their tail between their legs. You'd rather argue the difference between a rule and a law than show disgust at the officers' cowardice.
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I'm not the least bit surprised the Brits are defending the cowardice of their officers. The outcome of this 11 on 1 confrontation was a clear victory for the criminal. More importantly, it was a moral victory for criminal gangs. If British police can't handle an 11 on 1 fight without cowering first, then it shows how easily they can be defeated. The criminal elements in the UK watch these videos.
A "clear victory for the criminal" as it "got pepper sprayed and then TASERed in the face, arrested, and bundled into a police van." And seriously, they're not "cowering" but rather distracting and containing the suspect until the officer with the TASER can get a clear shot. Obviously it's not very helpful which bigots and liars edit these videos to give a false impression to would-be criminals, but that'll be the fault of the bigots and liars, not the police.

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Which "swaths" would they be? Still waiting for you to identify them.
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In what way was it a victory for him to be arrested and for there to be no casualties, and for the police to have used the minimal force required to arrest him?

I'd rather the whole social structure was such that the police thought it worthwhile completely outnumbering the knife-wielding criminal than an outcome where lethal force was used when it obviously wasn't needed.
It shows it takes an incredible amount of police resources to apprehend one lone suspect. The incompetency is on display for other criminals to exploit. I stated in my OP, I'd rather not have my police be so incompetent that power vacuums emerge leaving citizens vulnerable to criminals gangs.
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Which "swaths" would they be? Still waiting for you to identify them.
Please read the OP
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Old 30th September 2018, 07:30 AM   #33
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I'm not the least bit surprised the Brits are defending the cowardice of their officers. The outcome of this 11 on 1 confrontation was a clear victory for the criminal. More importantly, it was a moral victory for criminal gangs. If British police can't handle an 11 on 1 fight without cowering first, then it shows how easily they can be defeated. The criminal elements in the UK watch these videos. That's why they easily have their way with British officers and declare swaths of land as their own.
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Don't you think it was a bit dishonest of the initial video editor to stop just before he ended up getting effectively stopped by the police? It changes the narrative quite a bit.
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Old 30th September 2018, 07:31 AM   #34
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Originally Posted by Baylor View Post
Who cares? It depicts UK officers with their tail between their legs.
Containment and distraction is not "running away."

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You'd rather argue the difference between a rule and a law than show disgust at the officers' cowardice.
Park rules are not laws. Nobody is going to get arrested for ignoring the "keep off the grass" signs, either.
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Old 30th September 2018, 07:32 AM   #35
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If it takes 11 people to subdue 1 person, that 1 person is the winner.
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Old 30th September 2018, 07:34 AM   #36
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Park rules are not laws. Nobody is going to get arrested for ignoring the "keep off the grass" signs, either.
So a girl scout has more assertiveness than them. Very comforting.
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Old 30th September 2018, 07:35 AM   #37
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Originally Posted by Baylor View Post
If it takes 11 people to subdue 1 person, that 1 person is the winner.
Not if there are those resources available.

The Met decided that was a reasonable use of their resources.

It's better to have the option of overwhelming power to contain and dissuade potential trouble rather than too little and a struggle where someone gets injured.

Personally, I think that it's more cowardly to shoot someone who is lying on the grounds with his hands up.

But that's just me. (And most people).
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Old 30th September 2018, 07:37 AM   #38
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Zombies are at an all-time low level, but the fear of zombies could be high
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Originally Posted by Baylor View Post
Please read the OP
I did. It was bollocks first time around, and remains so.

You seem to think you're the expert, so you tell me which bits of London I should be avoiding.
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Old 30th September 2018, 07:42 AM   #40
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If it takes 11 people to subdue 1 person, that 1 person is the winner.
What did he win? Apart from a trip to the cells, of course.
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