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What are you blathering on about? The police officers in that photo *certainly* didn't think that anyone was giving an IS salute. I don't know about the person posing with them, but it is quite possible that he wasn't giving such a salute either. Next you will be saying that the OK sign is always a white power sign - which is what some in 4chan would like people to believe It is now used for that reason, but mostly not. Thank you A proper metaphorical kicking. Well worth delurking to deliver. |
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Keep making excuses for the incompetence of your police.
ISIS has a new hand sign — and it means far more than ‘We’re #1’ https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-09-...r-more-we-re-1 Sydney woman gives Isis salute after guilty verdict Outside Sydney’s Downing Centre local court on Friday, Elzahed gave the Isis one-finger salute while her friend called journalists “cockroaches” https://www.theguardian.com/australi...guilty-verdict ISIS Sends a Message The curious thing was not the head Bary held in his left hand -- however ghoulish the trophy -- but the gesture he made with his right. For followers of ISIS, a single raised index finger has become a sign of their cause, and it is increasingly common in photographs of militants. https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...-sends-message |
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It's so sweet. someone caring about us Europeans.
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The mail is a mainstream tabloid, yes. However it has virtually no credibility and is famous for it's poor reporting, sensationalist headlines with articles that fail to back them up and extreme bias. While it's stature is different to infowars it's reliability is much the same.
Guardian and Times are slightly better, but aren't above using whatever headline will grab attention either, that's the nature of newspapers. You'll also note though that they are both only reporting what someone has said, they have not investigated the claim or stated that it is correct. It is true that the person said it, but the claim is not verified. I'm definitely not an authority on anything and you shouldn't take anything I say as gospel of course. However I have lived in the country you are discussing my entire life (I'm over 40 unfortunately) and have spent most of my career involved in the kind of things you're posting about. I'm a little out of touch now, but I'm still living here every day, I have have friends are still in the police and related organisations and of course know lots more people who live here who aren't involved in the police or government at all. But no one, Police or not, would recognize the country you're describing as being even remotely true. I don't expect you take my word on anything, it is just my own view, but you may wish to lend some weight to the fact that all of the people who have responded on the thread so far who list themselves as living in the UK seem to be in agreement that your posts do not reflect the reality we experience every day here. |
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Baylor you live in Spokane.
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You don't recognize the country (why are you using US spelling) because you don't live in the occupied territory formerly known as the UK. Muslims would very much recognize what I'm describing. I believe the chief inspector of constabulary over you. The video evidence indicates the Police Officer would not engage in and run from confrontations with Muslim gangs.
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I'm so not put off by this.
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Common rookie mistake for folks commenting on LE behavior/policy.
Street cops never make the operational policies in a LEA - politicians and LE administrators make the basic decisions on where the street bulls go on a given shift and what to do when they get there. They are also the people who set enforcement policy priority rules and if TPTB want to send every blue-suit on a shift to a specific patrol area they going to do it. Your observation that the situations detailed in your links are based on officer cowardice isn't valid for those reasons alone. |
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I have to go with Baylor on this one. I visited London, and the no go signs were everywhere. I was shot and stabbed even by muslims in a park! They had to ship my body back to the states..
No wait. Nothing like that happened. There are no 'no go' locations in London, The Police are not cowards, and I found London to be a fairly pleasant city to visit and stay in. We walked and took the tube everywhere. Again, no issues. At all. |
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Good for you. Others haven't been so lucky. That's why there are warning everywhere. https://i.imgur.com/2IdiXFN.jpg |
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Spray painted the leaf on the 'W', did they?
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Now that is one of the least surprising posts in this thread.
In this case, at least one of the videos of "officer cowardice" actually showed the prelude to the knife-wielder getting tasered. Baylor seems to want to have it both ways. UK cops are under-equipped so run away because that is cowardly, and they are cowards because the police tend to go for large numbers of officers to deal with a single knife-wielding person. Note https://youtu.be/YXHorIrLFIc?t=25s
As an aside, last year, I went into Manchester one day, and there happened to be an EDL march and I saw the police escorting them back to Piccadilly station. There were about a dozen of them, and about twice as many police surrounding them. It makes perfect sense if your goal is public order, to ensure that it's obvious that trying something is not going to get anywhere. |
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I'm at work and it defaults to US Spell check lol.
The 'video evidence' has been cherry picked and in some cases edited. You have no idea what the situation is, what the motivations are, what the officers orders are or who the other people in the video are. In the first clip the officers aren't running, you can see officers in riot gear in the background all making their way in the same direction. The people in the centre are PCSO's (support, not sworn officers) apparently escorting a civvie. Who knows what is going on in that situation? When was it taken? Where? By whom? Without further information you can't say what is happening, let alone draw any conclusions from it. Also cherry picking your Senior Officer quote, you can easily find more quotes from other officers that tell a completely different story. One source is a data point, not a conclusion. For reference there are around 1600 officers of Chief Inspector rank, most of whom would be unlikely to agree with the article you quoted. I'm sure that they would have other complaints of course :-) Are the police underfunded and understaffed? Yes. Are there incidents in which police have not behaved appropriately? Of course. Is the country overwhelmed by shady organisations controlling entire districts or cities? Not even slightly true. Unless you include the Tory Party I guess |
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I couldn't make out the situation, but to me it looked as though they were escorting some marchers - the quality of the video was such that I would have to take it on trust that Muslims were involved.
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That's nice. But I still believe Winsor. I believe the Lancashire Police officer. I believe Rev Michael Nazir-Ali. I believe MP Carswell when he said large number of crimes go unreported. It's obvious parallel societies have emerged in the UK. The police aren't equipped to handle them. Since the police are unwilling and/or incompetent, these societies create their own "rules" and code of conduct from the laws and social norms of their countries of origin.
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Yes but blacks are violent
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