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Old 30th September 2018, 12:37 PM   #121
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Originally Posted by Venom View Post
Baylor you live in Spokane.
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So it says. I doubt even that.
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Old 30th September 2018, 12:52 PM   #122
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Originally Posted by Baylor View Post
That's nice. But I still believe Winsor. I believe the Lancashire Police officer. I believe Rev Michael Nazir-Ali. I believe MP Carswell when he said large number of crimes go unreported. It's obvious parallel societies have emerged in the UK. The police aren't equipped to handle them. Since the police are unwilling and/or incompetent, these societies create their own "rules" and code of conduct from the laws and social norms of their countries of origin.
So you're going to unquestionably accept the few bits that support your world view while automatically disregarding anything contrary? OK.

You do seem to be conflating some different issues though. Do some crimes go unreported? Of course, hardly a new phenomena and common across the globe. There are lots of different aspects as to why this is, and is a complex subject in it's own right.
Do some groups hate the police? Sure.
It's true that some communities are less trusting of the police and also true that some will seek violence or other measures rather than seek a legal route. Again this is not new, however it is more commonly things like certain families or housing estates, rather than being a race or religious group. Again there are complex factors that would vary depending on the particular example, but while such things are known, that's very different from the idea of countrywide lawlessness you are describing.

There are some communities which form on the basis of religion/immigration/nationality etc of course, and some of these may also have a problem with the police/government. The idea that this is a widespread phenomena, dominating the landscape, is farcical.

Extrapolating a large hypothesis from such limited data and then leaping to a giant conclusion I'm afraid is unlikely to be very convincing to anyone else, especially when it run's counter to daily experience.

However from your responses you don't actually seem to be interested in a discussion or opinion, so I think I'll leave it there for the night. Just finishing work, so hope you find something useful in the thread and maybe I'll check it later.
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Old 30th September 2018, 12:52 PM   #123
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Originally Posted by Baylor View Post
I'm sure you are not. Because you stay in the area still under UK control. What little is left of it.
I'm confused and a little worried. As so much of the UK is a no-go zone, please tell me so I can avoid it. Or would it be easier to highlight the parts that are still safe?

Actually I have just looked up London's homicide rate and compared it to Spokane

https://news.sky.com/story/in-contex...-rate-11315585

London 1.45/100k people

https://www.areavibes.com/spokane-wa/crime/

Spokane 5.3/100k people

Are you hiding in your bed in fear or do you just restrict yourself to the parts of Spokane that is not a no go zone?
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Old 30th September 2018, 01:01 PM   #124
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You don't recognize the country (why are you using US spelling) because you don't live in the occupied territory formerly known as the UK. Muslims would very much recognize what I'm describing.
The Muslims who make up 5% of the population, you mean? Are they the ones supposedly "occupying" us? How are they doing that?

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The video evidence indicates the Police Officer would not engage in and run from confrontations with Muslim gangs.
Just because some biased bigot sticks an anti-Muslim description on a selectively-edited bit of video footage that pushes your buttons, doesn't make it true. That's when you're not posting videos that have precisely nothing to do with Muslims in the first place.
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Old 30th September 2018, 01:02 PM   #125
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
I'm confused and a little worried. As so much of the UK is a no-go zone, please tell me so I can avoid it. Or would it be easier to highlight the parts that are still safe?

Actually I have just looked up London's homicide rate and compared it to Spokane

https://news.sky.com/story/in-contex...-rate-11315585

London 1.45/100k people

https://www.areavibes.com/spokane-wa/crime/

Spokane 5.3/100k people

Are you hiding in your bed in fear or do you just restrict yourself to the parts of Spokane that is not a no go zone?
Spokane no go zones....

https://www.smartertravel.com/tips-s...ers-stay-safe/
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Old 30th September 2018, 01:10 PM   #126
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
I'm confused and a little worried. As so much of the UK is a no-go zone, please tell me so I can avoid it. Or would it be easier to highlight the parts that are still safe?

Actually I have just looked up London's homicide rate and compared it to Spokane

https://news.sky.com/story/in-contex...-rate-11315585

London 1.45/100k people

https://www.areavibes.com/spokane-wa/crime/

Spokane 5.3/100k people

Are you hiding in your bed in fear or do you just restrict yourself to the parts of Spokane that is not a no go zone?
Errrr.......that's the national murder rate you're looking at buddy. You and information analyst sure have a hard time reading data.
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Old 30th September 2018, 01:11 PM   #127
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Good for you. Others haven't been so lucky. That's why there are warning everywhere.

https://i.imgur.com/2IdiXFN.jpg
Right, so now you've gone from ranting about Muslims to moped crime. That's a hell of a leap, considering the vast majority of moped thieves aren't shouting the takbir as they speed away.
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That's just wrong. Katie Price is getting married again?!!
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Old 30th September 2018, 01:16 PM   #129
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Errrr.......that's the national murder rate you're looking at buddy. You and information analyst sure have a hard time reading data.
So only twice London's rate. It's difficult to read on a phone - what's your excuse for providing garbage?

Meanwhile Spokane police are trying to use more de-escalation techniques

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/201...rst-on-record/
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In the first clip the officers aren't running, you can see officers in riot gear in the background all making their way in the same direction. The people in the centre are PCSO's (support, not sworn officers) apparently escorting a civvie. Who knows what is going on in that situation? When was it taken? Where? By whom? Without further information you can't say what is happening, let alone draw any conclusions from it.
I think it may be a counter-demo to an EDL march in central London in 2009, but would probably have to spend more time than I can spare corroborating that. Considering the age of some of the other videos I think we can safely assume that it's not recent.
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Old 30th September 2018, 01:18 PM   #131
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So you're going to unquestionably accept the few bits that support your world view while automatically disregarding anything contrary? OK.
Yes. You're exhibiting the exact same denial Rotherham-deniers did. Stick your head in the sand, pretend there's no problem. Insult those saying there is a problem, calling them "sensational" (or "racist" as others have). Attack the sources, etc. etc. With Rotherham, the "racists" were right.

What I find extra disgusting, what's really been making my skin crawl, is the British police actually HAD CONTEMPT FOR RAPE VICTIMS. How dare these kids put me at risk of being called racist!

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Five men from the town were jailed for sexual offences against girls in 2010, but the report said police "regarded many child victims with contempt".
There had been calls for help for over a decade, but the UK is believed in this "diversity" fantasy so much it was willing to sacrifice its own children for it.

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The report found: "Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought as racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so."
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-...shire-28939089

I don't think things have gotten better. In fact, things have gotten worse. Your own MP told child rape victims not to report rape if the suspect was a "minority" "for the sake of diversity." You people clearly are hung up on this bizarre new religion of yours. It's obvious there are autonomous parallel societies throughout the UK and the cowardice of the UK police and its citizen will allow those societies to commit heinous crimes.

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Old 30th September 2018, 01:54 PM   #133
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British Police too scared to tell Muslims they can't legally pray in royal parks

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I seem to recall that you have been involved in the 9/11 subforum.

If a truther linked to a website calling itself "Wakeupslave.com" would your first impression be that it was legit, or utterly barking?

Oh...

And a bit of googling came up with this:

reliable source.JPG

Did you realise that they were a 9/11 truther?
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Old 30th September 2018, 02:01 PM   #134
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I believe MP Carswell when he said large number of crimes go unreported.
Further evidence of ignorance of UK life and culture.

In any case, Carswell is now an ex-MP: Conservative, then UKIP, then independent. Basically a serially-disloyal tosser who nailed his flag to whichever mast he thought would serve himself better. What he said four years ago isn't worth crap, not least in this context, given that the population of what what his constituency is 97.4% White (95.2% White British), and only 0.3% Muslim, as well as the highest proportion of over-65s in the country.
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'Mick Neville, a retired Scotland Yard detective chief inspector, said yesterday: “The police are very much in danger of losing control of the streets.

“For the last 10-15 years, senior police officers have become more concerned with political correctness and the ‘welfare’ of criminals, rather than victims of crime.

“This has been worsened by politicians interfering and supporting such measures.

So we have stop and search reduced as it ‘upsets’ ethnic minorities, and criminals whizzing around on mopeds without fear of being chased, as officers have been forbidden from chasing them.”'

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/97...cks-crime-wave
Would their suggested answer for all this be increased police funding, by any chance?
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Would their suggested answer for all this be increased police funding, by any chance?
No.
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Errrr.......that's the national murder rate you're looking at buddy.
This source states that Spokane's homicide rate is 3.7 per 100k - more than twice London's 1.45. Imagine that, a crappy little town of a couple of hundred thousand people having a significantly worse homicide rate than a capital city of 8 million!

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You and information analyst sure have a hard time reading data.
Seems I'm doing better than you.

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Old 30th September 2018, 02:17 PM   #138
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Further evidence of ignorance of UK life and culture.

In any case, Carswell is now an ex-MP: Conservative, then UKIP, then independent. Basically a serially-disloyal tosser who nailed his flag to whichever mast he thought would serve himself better. What he said four years ago isn't worth crap, not least in this context, given that the population of what what his constituency is 97.4% White (95.2% White British), and only 0.3% Muslim, as well as the highest proportion of over-65s in the country.
"The sun causes tides not the moon" is probably my favourite Carswell story.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7318461.html

He's quite the...erm... character.
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Old 30th September 2018, 02:19 PM   #139
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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal View Post
"The sun causes tides not the moon" is probably my favourite Carswell story.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7318461.html

He's quite the...erm... character.
What I really think of him would have been auto-censored into a sea of asterisks.
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Old 30th September 2018, 02:22 PM   #140
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That someone is posting about occupied territory on what used to be sovereign UK soil is evidence that the police of the UK have handed over their authority of a foreign people. The cowardice demonstrated by UK police officers is beyond reckoning. Their cowardice borders complicity in some horrific crimes due to their knowledge of the crimes but refusal to take action.

I hate calling these people police officers because obviously they are not. They are cowards at best. Traitors working for foreign people is likely more accurate.

To me, a police officer is someone who has taken an oath to protect people in their community. If they'd rather run with their between their legs than engage in a confrontation, then a vacuum will emerge. Nature abhors a vacuum. That vacuum will quickly be filled. In many cases in the UK, that vacuum has been filled.

Even UK Police Officers admit as much:

"A Lancashire Police officer, who wished to remain anonymous, told MailOnline: 'There are Muslim areas of Preston that, if we wish to patrol, we have to contact local Muslim community leaders to get their permission'. "

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...oon-RIGHT.html

As for the "at least they don't shoot people!" crowd well, their cowardice is causing deaths, and countless other horrific crimes.

"Murders and rapes going unreported in no-go zones for police as minority communities launch own justice systems"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-systems.html

"The chief inspector of constabulary, Tom Winsor, said some ethnic minority communities are turning their backs on police and rarely, if ever, call them to deal with crimes as serious as murder and sexual assaults against children, instead dealing with them in their own way."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...e-chief-winsor

'Islamic extremists have created "no-go" areas across Britain where it is too dangerous for non-Muslims to enter, one of the Church of England's most senior bishops warns today.'

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...n-Muslims.html

Video footage of UK police running away from Muslims like a bunch of cowards.

https://media.giphy.com/media/1AhfBV...piHx/giphy.gif

It has been made abundantly clear by many that the UK is up for grabs. The police have no duty to protect its citizenry. They are not expected to take risks. They make good people feel hopeless. They terrorize their native population with frivolous "hate speech" laws that only apply to them while letting rapists run free. They embolden bad people by knowing the police have no real authority.


I'd rather have my police not create power vacuums by being complete cowards.


Turn.

Off.

Your.

USA.

News.

Channels.

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Just doing my duty as a citizen of the world in an attempt to help Americans break free from their propaganda cult overlords.
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I seem to recall that you have been involved in the 9/11 subforum.

If a truther linked to a website calling itself "Wakeupslave.com" would your first impression be that it was legit, or utterly barking?

Oh...

And a bit of googling came up with this:

Attachment 39001

Did you realise that they were a 9/11 truther?
The video was real, don't matter if a truther hosted it. It's on several other channels I just came across that one.
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ah.
That's not a no-go zone.
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Old 30th September 2018, 02:51 PM   #143
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Originally Posted by AnonyMoose View Post
Turn.

Off.

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USA.

News.

Channels.

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Just doing my duty as a citizen of the world in an attempt to help Americans break free from their propaganda cult overlords.
Not so subtle anti-semitism.

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That's not a no-go zone.
That's what you would say, you are just defending Spokane.
How do you feel about all those many no go zones in spokane? are your police all cowards?
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The video was real, don't matter if a truther hosted it. It's on several other channels I just came across that one.
uh, you have several channels
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There are none
There are none in the UK either, how do we square that circle.
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That's not a no-go zone.
What's a no-go zone then?

Can you name three examples an show how they fit the definition?
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What's a no-go zone then?

Can you name three examples an show how they fit the definition?
A "no-go area" (or "no-go zone") is an area in a town barricaded off to civil authorities by a force such as a paramilitary, or an area barred to certain individuals or groups. The term has also been used to refer to areas undergoing insurgency where ruling authorities have lost control and are unable to enforce sovereignty,[1] but also to areas that have a reputation for violence and crime which makes people frightened to go there.[2] Areas with a parallel society with its own laws and which are controlled by violent non-state actors have been described as "no-go zones".[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-go_area

Preston, Lancashire (read OP)

Malmo, Sweden https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO9vBHZRBQ4

Champs Elysée, France https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZPj6ARJ_TI
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There are none in the UK either, how do we square that circle.
"A Lancashire Police officer, who wished to remain anonymous, told MailOnline: 'There are Muslim areas of Preston that, if we wish to patrol, we have to contact local Muslim community leaders to get their permission'. "

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...oon-RIGHT.html
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uh, you have several channels
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A "no-go area" (or "no-go zone") is an area in a town barricaded off to civil authorities by a force such as a paramilitary, or an area barred to certain individuals or groups. The term has also been used to refer to areas undergoing insurgency where ruling authorities have lost control and are unable to enforce sovereignty,[1] but also to areas that have a reputation for violence and crime which makes people frightened to go there.[2] Areas with a parallel society with its own laws and which are controlled by violent non-state actors have been described as "no-go zones".[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-go_area

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Er from your link:

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Around the time of the 2001 Oldham riots, BBC Radio 4 reporter Barnie Choudhury wrote "An investigation for Today has found disturbing evidence that Asian youths in parts of Oldham are trying to create no go areas for white people...It's not clear whether this is bravado but their message is blunt... white people keep out".[86]

In 2012, Professor Hamid Ghodse of the United Nations' International Narcotics Control Board included areas of Birmingham, Manchester and Liverpool as "no-go areas" run by drug traffickers, comparing them to Brazilian favelas. Local police forces denied the claims.[87] In 2015 Donald Trump, in the early stages of his presidential campaign, stated on Twitter that the UK was trying to "disguise [its] massive Muslim problem", and retweeted an article which falsely claimed that the city of Birmingham was totally under Muslim control. These remarks were condemned by the mayor of Birmingham.[88] [89] Such outlandish claims, especially about London, continue to echo on social media typically accompanied by claims of Sharia Law being imposed in several neighbourhoods. Articles ridiculing these claims have appeared in the media. [90] Other ironic responses have pointed out that no-go zones exist in London, including 10 Downing Street and Buckingham Palace. [91]

The group Falmouth Hates Students have declared the town of Falmouth, Cornwall a no-go zone for students.[92][93][94]"

Do you actually read the **** before you post? That comes across as almost a parody.
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Old 30th September 2018, 03:22 PM   #153
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Not so subtle anti-semitism.

Not so subtle straw man.

But do keep trying, I'm sure eventually you'll manage to bait someone with that fallacy.
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Old 30th September 2018, 03:23 PM   #154
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Originally Posted by fagin View Post
Er from your link:

"United Kingdom
Around the time of the 2001 Oldham riots, BBC Radio 4 reporter Barnie Choudhury wrote "An investigation for Today has found disturbing evidence that Asian youths in parts of Oldham are trying to create no go areas for white people...It's not clear whether this is bravado but their message is blunt... white people keep out".[86]

In 2012, Professor Hamid Ghodse of the United Nations' International Narcotics Control Board included areas of Birmingham, Manchester and Liverpool as "no-go areas" run by drug traffickers, comparing them to Brazilian favelas. Local police forces denied the claims.[87] In 2015 Donald Trump, in the early stages of his presidential campaign, stated on Twitter that the UK was trying to "disguise [its] massive Muslim problem", and retweeted an article which falsely claimed that the city of Birmingham was totally under Muslim control. These remarks were condemned by the mayor of Birmingham.[88] [89] Such outlandish claims, especially about London, continue to echo on social media typically accompanied by claims of Sharia Law being imposed in several neighbourhoods. Articles ridiculing these claims have appeared in the media. [90] Other ironic responses have pointed out that no-go zones exist in London, including 10 Downing Street and Buckingham Palace. [91]

The group Falmouth Hates Students have declared the town of Falmouth, Cornwall a no-go zone for students.[92][93][94]"

Do you actually read the **** before you post? That comes across as almost a parody.
You always seem to think you've found a "gotcha" when you haven't. Archie Gemmill Goal asked for a definition and I gave him Wikipedia's. That part you copied and bolded is irrelevant. Like, what's even your point?
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Old 30th September 2018, 03:25 PM   #155
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Originally Posted by Baylor View Post
The video was real, don't matter if a truther hosted it. It's on several other channels I just came across that one.
The video might very well be real, but dishonestly edited and with context removed.

If it was an Alex Jones video, would you expect a skeptics forum to not comment on the source being tainted?

If it's a real story, provide a credible link.

Similarly with your Milo Yainopolos video that tried to imply that UK cops failed to deal with a knifeman, when literally a couple of seconds afterwards, the full, original video shows the knifeman being tazered then arrested.
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Old 30th September 2018, 03:32 PM   #156
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
The video might very well be real, but dishonestly edited and with context removed.
Still shows they're cowards.

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If it was an Alex Jones video, would you expect a skeptics forum to not comment on the source being tainted?
Skeptics forum. You're joking right?



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Similarly with your Milo Yainopolos video that tried to imply that UK cops failed to deal with a knifeman, when literally a couple of seconds afterwards, the full, original video shows the knifeman being tazered then arrested.
I didn't know the source of the video nor did I "try to imply" anything, other than British police being incompetent cowards. It's the short version that gets right to the point, UK police suck.
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Originally Posted by Baylor View Post
A "no-go area" (or "no-go zone") is an area in a town barricaded off to civil authorities by a force such as a paramilitary, or an area barred to certain individuals or groups.
None of these exist in the UK (or the US AFAIK)

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The term has also been used to refer to areas undergoing insurgency where ruling authorities have lost control and are unable to enforce sovereignty,
Again none of these exist as there is no active insurgency in the UK or the US

[quote][1] but also to areas that have a reputation for violence and crime which makes people frightened to go there.[[quote]

Exactly what I linked to existing in Spokane!

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[2] Areas with a parallel society with its own laws and which are controlled by violent non-state actors have been described as "no-go zones".[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-go_area
Don't exist.

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Preston, Lancashire (read OP)
The entirety of Preston is a no-go zone? Which one of the above definitions are you using?

https://www.wigantoday.net/news/clai...lice-1-7618630

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The entire city of Malmo is a no-go zone? That must be a huge disappointment for the 2m+ passengers who use its international airport every year when they have to turn around and leave again. You would think these airlines would post some kind of warning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malm%C...d_destinations


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7m visitors a year. A no-go zone according to fan of Yaxley-Lennon.

Also notice that you you ran out of UK examples after 1 incorrect stab at it.
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Old 30th September 2018, 03:33 PM   #158
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Originally Posted by Baylor View Post
You always seem to think you've found a "gotcha" when you haven't. Archie Gemmill Goal asked for a definition and I gave him Wikipedia's. That part you copied and bolded is irrelevant. Like, what's even your point?
That the link you used to define, doesn't actually show that any such areas exist within the UK?

It's not a gotcha, it just shows you haven't got a ******* clue.
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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal View Post
Lame

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Originally Posted by Baylor View Post
Lame
Glad you finally accept it.

End of thread?
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