The Trump Presidency: Part 18

[acbytesla]

Originally Posted by Craig4

Not with the same power or clarity that a decision would have.

It makes little difference. 90+ percent of all case law is created at lower levels. By not accepting the appeal they are saying this has already been decided. There is already 200 years of precedence.

[Captain_Swoop]

Trump Tweets

Hard to believe that @FoxNews will be interviewing sleazebag & totally discredited former FBI Director James Comey, & also corrupt politician Adam “Shifty” Schiff. Fox is trying sooo hard to be politically correct, and yet they were totally shut out from the failed Dem debates!

Both Commiecast MSNBC & Fake News CNN are watching their Ratings TANK. Fredo on CNN is dying. Don’t know why @FoxNews wants to be more like them? They’ll all die together as other outlets take their place. Only pro Trump Fox shows do well. Rest are nothing. How’s Shep doing?

[SezMe]

Originally Posted by Babbylonian

CT INCOMING...

Is it possible that McConnell and scum know something the rest of us don't? Maybe they have a foolproof plan for electoral manipulation that guarantees Republican wins in the future. After all, they'd be fools to cede unchecked power to the executive branch otherwise.

Problem is, Congress has ceded a lot of power to the executive branch over the last century or so. Not all at once but bit-by-bit. This case could be another "bit" in the long trend.

[Trebuchet]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets

Hard to believe that @FoxNews will be interviewing sleazebag & totally discredited former FBI Director James Comey, & also corrupt politician Adam “Shifty” Schiff. Fox is trying sooo hard to be politically correct, and yet they were totally shut out from the failed Dem debates!

Both Commiecast MSNBC & Fake News CNN are watching their Ratings TANK. Fredo on CNN is dying. Don’t know why @FoxNews wants to be more like them? They’ll all die together as other outlets take their place. Only pro Trump Fox shows do well. Rest are nothing. How’s Shep doing?

Nah, he didn't really say "Commiecast" did he? Ok, he did. But he didn't write that. It's too clever and required knowledge he doesn't have.

[alfaniner]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets

The last time I spoke to Debbie Dingell was her call thanking me for granting top memorial and funeral service honors for her then just departed husband, long time Congressman John Dingell. Now I watch her ripping me as part of the Democrats Impeachment Hoax. Really pathetic!

Jesus Christ what a prick.

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets..
.SNIP<

The last time I spoke to Debbie Dingell was her call thanking me for granting top memorial and funeral service honors for her then just departed husband, long time Congressman John Dingell. Now I watch her ripping me as part of the Democrats Impeachment Hoax. Really pathetic!

So Debbie Dingell is now supposed to give Trump some kind of personal loyalty because he approved funeral service honors for her late husband who served as a representative for 59 years? Yeah, you read that right. He was the longest serving Congressman in American history and Trump thinks that approving top memorial and funeral services for him was some kind of magnanimous gesture on his part? This reminds me of when Trump got all huffy because Amanda Knox wouldn't support him for president because he gave some money to her defense fund earlier ...which he probably took out of the Trump Foundation so not even his own money.

This guy thinks everyone owes him.

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets

Hard to believe that @FoxNews will be interviewing sleazebag & totally discredited former FBI Director James Comey, & also corrupt politician Adam “Shifty” Schiff. Fox is trying sooo hard to be politically correct, and yet they were totally shut out from the failed Dem debates!

Both Commiecast MSNBC & Fake News CNN are watching their Ratings TANK. Fredo on CNN is dying. Don’t know why @FoxNews wants to be more like them? They’ll all die together as other outlets take their place. Only pro Trump Fox shows do well. Rest are nothing. How’s Shep doing?

So, are we "great again"? If this sorry excuse for a man is what is considered as "great" or "the Chosen One, no thank you. You can have him.

[Skeptic Ginger]

Originally Posted by alfaniner

Jesus Christ what a prick.

His sick mentality, if he does anything for anyone, they owe him. Even when, in the case of whatever he thinks he contributes to state funerals, he really didn't do ****.

And it's pretty clear he doesn't owe anyone that does anything for him.

More campaign ads: Trump believes the White House is his personal property. Ad in what Stacy said.

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

His sick mentality, if he does anything for anyone, they owe him. Even when, in the case of whatever he thinks he contributes to state funerals, he really didn't do ****.

And it's pretty clear he doesn't owe anyone that does anything for him.

More campaign ads: Trump believes the White House is his personal property. Ad in what Stacy said.

I agree...and it's that attitude which got him in the position he's in now. Quid. Effing. Pro. Effing. Quo.

[Norman Alexander]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets

Chuck Schumer sat for years during the Obama Administration and watched as China ripped off the United States. He & the Do Nothing Democrats did NOTHING as this $ carnage took place. Now, without even seeing it, he snipes at our GREAT new deal with China. Too bad Cryin’ Chuck!

The last time I spoke to Debbie Dingell was her call thanking me for granting top memorial and funeral service honors for her then just departed husband, long time Congressman John Dingell. Now I watch her ripping me as part of the Democrats Impeachment Hoax. Really pathetic!

Doubt Donny wrote that. Not enough random capitals and spelling errors, and the sentences are complex and reasonably formed. More likely his psychopath press secretary.

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Doubt Donny wrote that. Not enough random capitals and spelling errors, and the sentences are complex and reasonably formed. More likely his psychopath press secretary.

If so, she's got his low life, bullying, idiotic style down pat.

[The Great Zaganza]

There goes Wisconsin in 2020:

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/13/p...lls/index.html

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

There goes Wisconsin in 2020:

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/13/p...lls/index.html

I saw nothing that indicated what party most of these voters belong to. Also, it said the voters would stay on the roles through spring of 2021 so after the next election.

[The Don]

If the suit to ensure the rolls are purged is brought by a right wing organization, you can be sure that it benefits the GOP.

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by The Don

If the suit to ensure the rolls are purged is brought by a right wing organization, you can be sure that it benefits the GOP.

Not necessarily. The rolls are to be purged of those voters who haven't complied with Wisconsin law.

Quote:

When the Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty filed the complaint in October, it argued that state law requires the commission to remove from the active voting rolls voters who hadn't responded to a recent mailing, made as part of a regular effort to update rolls, within 30 days.

Quote:

"The commission is confident that it is complying with Wisconsin law," Meagan Wolfe, the state's chief election official, said in a statement at the time.
Voters in Wisconsin must register online or by mail 20 days before Election Day, according to Vote.org. If they miss that deadline, they may still register in person up through the Friday prior to Election Day.

It looks to me like they're just enforcing already existing laws.

ETA: These are voters who have moved and have not updated their voter registration with their new address as required by Wisconsin law. It has nothing to do with political affiliation.

[MRC_Hans]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets

Chuck Schumer sat for years during the Obama Administration and watched as China ripped off the United States. He & the Do Nothing Democrats did NOTHING as this $ carnage took place. Now, without even seeing it, he snipes at our GREAT new deal with China. Too bad Cryin’ Chuck!

The last time I spoke to Debbie Dingell was her call thanking me for granting top memorial and funeral service honors for her then just departed husband, long time Congressman John Dingell. Now I watch her ripping me as part of the Democrats Impeachment Hoax. Really pathetic!

This shows how the thinks he can buy people.

Hans

[a_unique_person]

Why do poor people move all the time?

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-poor-pe...e-all-the-time

[Aridas]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I saw nothing that indicated what party most of these voters belong to. Also, it said the voters would stay on the roles through spring of 2021 so after the next election.

About 55% went to Democrat-heavy areas - and I'm seeing it said that opponents of the decision had been supporting more time than the hard 30 day limit, but the judge's decision was that the 30 day limit should be enforced to the point that any official that didn't just do it right after the 30 day limit should be punished. Haven't seen any numbers for specific breakdown by party - and I doubt those numbers are available to the public. It would be good if they released the names like Ohio did not too long ago, though, so that those interested could independently verify and likely reduce the usually quite problematic and easily avoidable "errors" quite significantly.

Given that Wisconsin has same day registration that can actually be done at the polling places on election day (still need proof of residence, apparently, though, so there is a rather annoying and unnecessary hoop to jump through for people that weren't expecting to need such), the damage is likely to be nowhere close to as bad as it would be in most other states, so I would suggest not blowing the effect too far out of proportion, while still recognizing the effect.

To poke at some other news...

Evil Corp is of course, a Russian cyber-crime organization - Trump lifted sanctions on its companies

Lavrov visits Trump. Sanctions on 3 companies that were considered connected to one of the major Russian cybercriminals that apparently aided the Russian government with cybercrimes were lifted without explanation. Elsewhere, there's a claim that the given reason is that they just happened to have been been founded by other guys also named Denis Igorevich Gusev. I remain skeptical. Still... Evil Corp as the name chosen for a company that did a heck of a lot of crime? The Trump Presidency certainly has kept bringing us stories that, well, reek of being the storyline of intentionally bad comicbook storylines. Where's Batman when we need him?

[Delphic Oracle]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

So Debbie Dingell is now supposed to give Trump some kind of personal loyalty because he approved funeral service honors for her late husband who served as a representative for 59 years? Yeah, you read that right. He was the longest serving Congressman in American history and Trump thinks that approving top memorial and funeral services for him was some kind of magnanimous gesture on his part? This reminds me of when Trump got all huffy because Amanda Knox wouldn't support him for president because he gave some money to her defense fund earlier ...which he probably took out of the Trump Foundation so not even his own money.

This guy thinks everyone owes him.

Worse, he sees it as some kind of currency to be repaid in kind.

[Delphic Oracle]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Not necessarily. The rolls are to be purged of those voters who haven't complied with Wisconsin law.





It looks to me like they're just enforcing already existing laws.

ETA: These are voters who have moved and have not updated their voter registration with their new address as required by Wisconsin law. It has nothing to do with political affiliation.

Except these purges always seem to have a "valid" reason and invariably the result has a notable skew.

We can't predict the future or read minds, no. Neither is there no cause for concern.

[The Man]

Originally Posted by Darat

I think the classic example of this is when he got to the point of saying Obama founded ISIS, if you watch that clip you can see that all he does is react to the crowd.

The thing is he has even told the crowd that's exactly what he's doing. At one rally he remarks on the lock her up chant for Hillary. Saying he just tried it, didn't actually believe it, it went over big so he just kept going with it. He tells them that he's just telling them what they want to hear and apparently that is what they want to hear.

[Trebuchet]

Massive "Women for Trump" rally in DC! Complete with Jack Posobiec and Louie Gohmert!

[shemp]

Pathetic. Trump will claim it was the biggest rally ever.

[Delphic Oracle]

Fitting that "women for Trump" seems to involve a lot of men taking the spotlight.

[The Great Zaganza]

Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle

Fitting that "women for Trump" seems to involve a lot of men taking the spotlight.

just as the Bible intended.
Women and Children are supposed to be seen - not heard.

[Norman Alexander]

Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle

Worse, he sees it as some kind of currency to be repaid in kind.

I would gladly see Trump's funeral paid for by the state. How soon can it be organised to happen?

[alfaniner]

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Massive "Women for Trump" rally in DC! Complete with Jack Posobiec and Louie Gohmert!

Here's where it relates to that punctuation/grammar thread.

"Massive Women for Trump" rally would put an entirely different spin on it.

[Minoosh]

Originally Posted by acbytesla

It makes little difference. 90+ percent of all case law is created at lower levels. By not accepting the appeal they are saying this has already been decided. There is already 200 years of precedence.

I’ve lost track. Didn’t they bundle some cases together? It seems to me Trump’s lawyer have asked that he be declared immune in more than one jurisdiction. Immune from any subpoena, criminal or civil (while president). In that case it might make sense to look for the common thread and make a broader ruling.

I have no idea, though. If district court judges in both the first and second circuits (for example) have been presented with the same argument I can see the Supreme Court accepting both cases for expedited review. But I don’t know what the mechanics of that would be. Might try to figure it out later.

[Minoosh]

Originally Posted by The Man

The thing is he has even told the crowd that's exactly what he's doing. At one rally he remarks on the lock her up chant for Hillary. Saying he just tried it, didn't actually believe it, it went over big so he just kept going with it. He tells them that he's just telling them what they want to hear and apparently that is what they want to hear.

I thought that was “drain the swamp.”

Soon after election he said at one rally he didn’t want to lock her up anymore. He didn’t get much reaction and I don’t know what happened at subsequent rallies.

[Minoosh]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets

Hard to believe that @FoxNews will be interviewing sleazebag & totally discredited former FBI Director James Comey, & also corrupt politician Adam “Shifty” Schiff. Fox is trying sooo hard to be politically correct, and yet they were totally shut out from the failed Dem debates

I love it when he criticizes Fox News.

[Delphic Oracle]

Originally Posted by Minoosh

I thought that was “drain the swamp.”



Soon after election he said at one rally he didn’t want to lock her up anymore. He didn’t get much reaction and I don’t know what happened at subsequent rallies.

It was several of his schticks.

https://youtu.be/BB38DvTV5kc

[Captain_Swoop]

Trump Tweets


Crooked Hillary caught again. She is a total train wreck!

Kimberley Strassel
@KimStrassel
Make sure family and friends see IG report: Clinton didn't just invite foreign influence in 2016; she paid for it. Her team funneled Russian dossier lies to the FBI, for her political gain. Americans deserve free and fair elections. If only press would hold her accountable. https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/s...49473091072008

[Captain_Swoop]

Trump Tweets

As bad as the I.G. Report is for the FBI and others, and it is really bad, remember that I.G. Horowitz was appointed by Obama. There was tremendous bias and guilt exposed, so obvious, but Horowitz couldn’t get himself to say it. Big credibility loss. Obama knew everything!

So now Comey’s admitting he was wrong. Wow, but he’s only doing so because he got caught red handed. He was actually caught a long time ago. So what are the consequences for his unlawful conduct. Could it be years in jail? Where are the apologies to me and others, Jim?

[acbytesla]

Originally Posted by Minoosh

I’ve lost track. Didn’t they bundle some cases together? It seems to me Trump’s lawyer have asked that he be declared immune in more than one jurisdiction. Immune from any subpoena, criminal or civil (while president). In that case it might make sense to look for the common thread and make a broader ruling.

I have no idea, though. If district court judges in both the first and second circuits (for example) have been presented with the same argument I can see the Supreme Court accepting both cases for expedited review. But I don’t know what the mechanics of that would be. Might try to figure it out later.

They bundled three cases together.

The first involved the New York District Attorney investigating securities and tax fraud.

The other two were Congressional subpoenas and none of them require Trump to do a damn thing. The subpoenas are to third parties including his accountants and banks in possession of his financials.

Trump's attorneys have been arguing blanket immunity of not only any indictment but of any investigation at any level. It was his attorneys that took Trump's saying that he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose any votes to he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not be arrested, charged or even being investigated as POTUS.

[The Man]

Originally Posted by Minoosh

I thought that was “drain the swamp.”

Soon after election he said at one rally he didn’t want to lock her up anymore. He didn’t get much reaction and I don’t know what happened at subsequent rallies.

I don't recall it being about "drain the swamp" and it was most likely after the election. As always, I could be wrong and unfortunately I ain't having much luck searching.

ETA:

Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle

It was several of his schticks.

https://youtu.be/BB38DvTV5kc

That could have been it, so maybe it was "drain the swamp". However, as you and Trevor Noah note, Trump telling his audience he was just playing them is part of his shtick and the point being made.

[Captain_Swoop]

Trump Tweets

The @foxnewPolls, always inaccurate, are heavily weighted toward Dems. So ridiculous - same thing happened in 2016. They got it all wrong. Get a new pollster!

Approval Rating in Republican Party = 95%, a Record! Overall Approval Rating = 51%. Think of where I’d be without the never ending, 24 hour a day, phony Witch Hunt, that started 3 years ago!

[Minoosh]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets

The @foxnewPolls, always inaccurate, are heavily weighted toward Dems. So ridiculous - same thing happened in 2016. They got it all wrong. Get a new pollster

Keep attacking Fox News, Donald. Even knowing he’s protected in the Senate, Trump can’t stand the fact that the House is about to impeach him. If he lashes out enough even a few senators might warily begin to back away.

[Minoosh]

Originally Posted by acbytesla

It was his attorneys that took Trump's saying that he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose any votes to he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not be arrested, charged or even being investigated as POTUS.

I can understand not wanting to get your hopes up, but that doesn’t sound like an effective legal argument.

[acbytesla]

Originally Posted by Minoosh

I can understand not wanting to get your hopes up, but that doesn’t sound like an effective legal argument.

It doesn't, does it? And yet the SC took the case.

[Minoosh]

Originally Posted by acbytesla

They bundled three cases together.
The other two were Congressional subpoenas and none of them require Trump to do a damn thing. The subpoenas are to third parties including his accountants and banks in possession of his financials.

Sorry to sound thick - but are the subpoenas for testimony from McGahn, Bolton etc. included?