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Old 7th November 2019, 03:19 PM   #521
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
Dear Leader is talking to Mark Burnett about "The Apprentice: White House."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-...r-next-tv-show
If this tempted him out of office, that would be great.
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Old 7th November 2019, 03:21 PM   #522
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
I don't think the government as a plaintiff has the problems individuals do collecting judgements (or fines).
Think of the possibilities, garnishing his tax refund could give them access to his tax records.
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Old 7th November 2019, 03:21 PM   #523
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
Dear Leader is talking to Mark Burnett about "The Apprentice: White House."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-...r-next-tv-show
In this show, the winners are fired first.
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Old 7th November 2019, 03:25 PM   #524
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Did anyone watch The View this morning with Donnie Jr. and his fiancee as guests?

Donnie did not fare well.
watch here

He certainly has his talking points down.
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Old 7th November 2019, 03:29 PM   #525
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Originally Posted by Ladewig View Post
Au contraire When one believes that one is the cleverest man in the world all of history, then one cannot imagine a situation that he cannot talk his way out of.

One of the tell-all books reported a conversation early in the presidency in which Pres Trump adamantly and loudly insisted that he would make a great witness if he were called to testify.
You're being sarcastic, right?

He believes that right up until his bluff is called and then he switches to some belief about why he doesn't have to appear.
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Old 7th November 2019, 03:54 PM   #526
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Originally Posted by TofuFighter View Post
I'd like to know the rationale behind trump's retweeting this.

Is it really just the president of the United States saying "reminder: you're not allowed to protest against me"? Not that everything he tweets isn't a bit bizarre, but this is really the kind of notice that officials in China or North Korea would issue.

The University clarified its position in that link that it was not a warning about protesting trump, but rather a warning against 'disruptive behaviour' under which, presumably, the Student Affairs body may lump any trump protest.

Someone should probably remind trump that he signed an executive order in March about free speech on college campus - Link.

In TrumpWorld "free speech" means you are free to speak anything flattering about Trump that you want to.

Aside from that ... not so much.
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Old 7th November 2019, 03:57 PM   #527
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Originally Posted by ferd burfle View Post
Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
The wearing of baseball caps when not playing baseball deserves punishment.

Should there be a dispensation for bald men? Asking for a friend.

Tell your friend that there are other kinds of hats besides baseball caps.

Most of which look far nicer than baseball caps.
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Old 7th November 2019, 03:59 PM   #528
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
I had a weird thought about the Trump presidency last night.

In fiction there are generally two types of time travel stories: fragile timelines and robust timelines. In the fragile timeline stories, like Back to the Future, any little change can have massive impacts on the future. In robust timeline stories, like Travelers, even with concerted efforts to impact the future it is difficult to make substantial changes.

The further we go along in the Trump presidency the more I feel like someone is trying to stop a disaster by preventing the election of Trump, and then exposing every criminal aspect of the Trump presidency. But the timeline is just too robust. The pending disaster will happen, even if you expose things that would have tanked any other candidate or president, the momentum is just too great.

In Travelers there was a quote about time being like a river, and their changes being like stones thrown in the river. Sure the water has to go around them, but it still end up in about the same place.
If you're going to make suppositions like that, of course, it would be just as feasible to examine this alternative scenario - In the original timeline, Hillary won. Enraged and invigorated by the GOP propaganda blitz against her, the GOP turns out in remarkable numbers and tricks a bunch of those who aren't paying attention as much to their side. Meanwhile, the Democrats grow a bit too complacent - they won, after all, and they don't really like that candidate anyways because of the GOP lies and her failure to get much done because of Republican sabotage, allowing the GOP to have a massive red wave. Emboldened by their success, the far right groups pushing for a Constitutional Convention get their desire, as well as permanent gerrymanders in a bunch of states and the US ends up in much the same condition as they've already given Chile. With the US then completely out of the game when it comes to addressing the Climate emergency, massive worldwide disaster becomes pretty much inevitable and happens.

Then comes the time traveler with a plan - get Trump to win and let the people actually see how horrendous the GOP actually is, leading to blue wave after blue wave, getting the US into the fight and keeping it there and producing some hope of preventing or significantly reducing the effects of the massive disaster to come.

Plenty more detail could be added, of course, but that would be just as feasible a scenario to work with.
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Old 7th November 2019, 04:03 PM   #529
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
watch here

He certainly has his talking points down.
He certainly does, as does his fiancee. He parroted whatever Daddy says just like Pence. I noticed how often he tried to avoid the questions he was asked but diverting to something else, usually one of those talking points.

At times he looked like a deer caught in the headlights. I almost felt sorry for him. Almost.
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Old 7th November 2019, 04:25 PM   #530
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If you're going to make suppositions like that, of course, it would be just as feasible to examine this alternative scenario - In the original timeline, Hillary won. Enraged and invigorated by the GOP propaganda blitz against her, the GOP turns out in remarkable numbers and tricks a bunch of those who aren't paying attention as much to their side. Meanwhile, the Democrats grow a bit too complacent - they won, after all, and they don't really like that candidate anyways because of the GOP lies and her failure to get much done because of Republican sabotage, allowing the GOP to have a massive red wave. Emboldened by their success, the far right groups pushing for a Constitutional Convention get their desire, as well as permanent gerrymanders in a bunch of states and the US ends up in much the same condition as they've already given Chile. With the US then completely out of the game when it comes to addressing the Climate emergency, massive worldwide disaster becomes pretty much inevitable and happens.

Then comes the time traveler with a plan - get Trump to win and let the people actually see how horrendous the GOP actually is, leading to blue wave after blue wave, getting the US into the fight and keeping it there and producing some hope of preventing or significantly reducing the effects of the massive disaster to come.

Plenty more detail could be added, of course, but that would be just as feasible a scenario to work with.
I have to wonder how many scenarios Dr. Strange could discover about the fate of our country, and how many of them would not leave the US destroyed.
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Old 7th November 2019, 04:40 PM   #531
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I for one wholly support this new plan for Trump's post-presidential career. Get enough MAGA idiots voting on this show for whoever he annoints as the next great politician, and maybe they'll forget to actually vote for them in the real election. "Why we gots ta vote fer him agin? Ain't he alreddy won? Trump said so!"
Can he host from jail?
Or will they film at his non-extradition dacha on the Siberian coast?
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Old 7th November 2019, 04:52 PM   #532
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He wasn't accepted as old money because he's NOT old money, just the son of new money.
THe Trumps are a textbook example of the Noveau Riche.
They have to show off how rich they are at every opportunity, Old Money regards that as incredibly vulger.
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Old 7th November 2019, 05:02 PM   #533
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THe Trumps are a textbook example of the Noveau Riche.

They have to show off how rich they are at every opportunity, Old Money regards that as incredibly vulger.
They also view it as an opportunity.
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Old 7th November 2019, 07:32 PM   #534
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Apparently some GOP house members are floating a theory that Giuliani was running a rogue operation without Trump's Knowledge...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...5a8_story.html
Rudy is about see what the bottom of a bus looks like...

But the real takeaway is that some on the GOP House have relises they can't just handwave away the mounting evidence.
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One of the ideas kicked around by Burnett and the president was shooting a new version of the Trump-branded Apprentice, tentatively titled The Apprentice: White House, and to produce it shortly after the president leaves office.
Hoping the show goes on the air the last week of January 2021!
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Old 7th November 2019, 07:44 PM   #536
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Apparently some GOP house members are floating a theory that Giuliani was running a rogue operation without Trump's Knowledge...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...5a8_story.html
Rudy is about see what the bottom of a bus looks like...

But the real takeaway is that some on the GOP House have relises they can't just handwave away the mounting evidence.
Somehow, this just doesn't shock me. Must. Protect. Trump. At. All. Costs.
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Apparently some GOP house members are floating a theory that Giuliani was running a rogue operation without Trump's Knowledge..
I don't envy them the task of trying to characterize either Trump or Giuliani as a brilliant Machiavellian mastermind, puppeteering others in a clever scheme.
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For the second Election Day in as many years, suburban voters demonstrated enormous political power in electing or aiding Democratic candidates in historically Republican areas, underscoring the drift of many moderate voters from the G.O.P. in the era of President Trump. Link
Yay!

In my part of the world the Democrats did very well --except around here they always do -- but despite being a lifelong registered Democrat this time around I voted a split ticket. I voted for the Republican candidate for a local office. I'm not friends with him but I am acquainted with him (through a local history society I belong to) and he seems like a pretty good guy. Quite an intelligent man, very personable and a true moderate.

He lost.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Apparently some GOP house members are floating a theory that Giuliani was running a rogue operation without Trump's Knowledge...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...5a8_story.html
Rudy is about see what the bottom of a bus looks like...

But the real takeaway is that some on the GOP House have relises they can't just handwave away the mounting evidence.

Here's the thing... that won't fly, at least for anyone who has read the testimony of those State Department officials who have given impeachment inquiry depositions. They have testified that the order to hold Ukraine assistance, especially the withholding of Javelin missiles, came directly from the OMB, per Mulvany, on the direct orders of Trump.
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Why wait until he leaves office to start The Apprentice: White House? He's in dire need of a steady flow of employees to maintain that neverending revolving door he's got going on.

The White House is already a reality-tv freak show, so he might as well try to bring in some much needed government revenues by way of his ten-toothed voter base.
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Old 7th November 2019, 08:06 PM   #541
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I don't envy them the task of trying to characterize either Trump or Giuliani as a brilliant Machiavellian mastermind, puppeteering others in a clever scheme.
Don and Rudy? They put me in mind of a movie I once saw.

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One of the ideas kicked around by Burnett and the president was shooting a new version of the Trump-branded Apprentice, tentatively titled The Apprentice: White House, and to produce it shortly after the president leaves office.
Hoping the show goes on the air the last week of January 2021!
At the rate things are disintegrating for Team Donny, it will be December 2019, no matter what Mitch "The Turtle" says (and he's starting to hedge his bets too).
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
Yay!

In my part of the world the Democrats did very well --except around here they always do -- but despite being a lifelong registered Democrat this time around I voted a split ticket. I voted for the Republican candidate for a local office. I'm not friends with him but I am acquainted with him (through a local history society I belong to) and he seems like a pretty good guy. Quite an intelligent man, very personable and a true moderate.

He lost.
Unfortunate for him. Hopefully, the winner will end of doing a better job than he would have, though. Also, hopefully, his loss, along with the loss of so many others, will help the larger Republican Party return to sanity.

To poke at some other news, though...

Whistleblower attorneys fear for client's safety as Trump allies move to out him

Just in case you wanted confirmation about some of the stuff that they're facing, after the President has been calling upon his supporters to break the law.

Facebook fought to keep a trove of thousands of explosive internal documents and emails secret. They were just published online in full.

Some takeaways -

Quote:
Facebook wielded its control over user data to hobble rivals like YouTube, Twitter, and Amazon.
Facebook executives quietly planned a data-policy "switcharoo."
Facebook considered charging companies to access user data.
Facebook whitelisted certain companies to allow them more extensive access to user data, even after it locked down its developer platform throughout 2014 and 2015.
Facebook planned to spy on the locations of Android users.
Moving on, though. Lest we forget how bad Pence is.

Mike Pence is abusing his office to funnel foreign aid money to Christian groups

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Mike Pence is pushing to send foreign aid to Christian groups in countries like Iraq, with his pressure overruling non-political decisions by career staff and leading to the removal of one top U.S. Agency for International Development Middle East (USAID) official after some of Penceís favored Christian groups were turned down for grants.
Yeah, Pence entirely deserves removal as well.
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At the rate things are disintegrating for Team Donny, it will be December 2019, no matter what Mitch "The Turtle" says (and he's starting to hedge his bets too).
Notice McConnell made a recent announcement that the impeachment will go on but Trump won't be convicted based on what evidence is currently out there.

Notice when Trump needs to sign the next continue the government funding bill.

McConnell doesn't have a certain reelection coming up. He's ahead but not by much.

What will McConnell do after a stopping the government bill is off the table?

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Yay!



In my part of the world the Democrats did very well --except around here they always do -- but despite being a lifelong registered Democrat this time around I voted a split ticket. I voted for the Republican candidate for a local office. I'm not friends with him but I am acquainted with him (through a local history society I belong to) and he seems like a pretty good guy. Quite an intelligent man, very personable and a true moderate.



He lost.
A RINO, then.
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THe Trumps are a textbook example of the Noveau Riche.
They have to show off how rich they are at every opportunity,
... which makes the tax return secrecy all the more puzzling.
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Trump's motto has always been: "If you can fake it, you don't have to make it".
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In for a penny to de-rail this thread over to Rachel, in for a pound:
I don't believe its a derail, more a side track. In a discussion about the Trump Presidency (actually, any discussion about any president or politics) how the media react and respond, what they say and how they say it is both a valid and a natural part of the debate.

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There are two different things with Rachel: one is short-term repetition, where she is apparently trying to make sure the listener has heard the subject, her point, or whatever; two is her mid-level narrative structure in which she circles the topic, or starts at A and moves to B, which is the main topic. The first drives me a little crazy, and I tolerate the second, although the second is great when she gives the historical context to her main topic, something no one else does.
While I agree to some extent, this is what makes her a master explainer. Its worth the wait to get the story coming together at the end... with impact.
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... which makes the tax return secrecy all the more puzzling.
It might make it more puzzling... except for the fact that he's had a long history of lying about how much he's actually worth. Except for the fact that he was raised with massive tax fraud being a normal things in his family. Except for the number of cases of rather obvious financial fraud that are already being investigated. Except for the... ehh, that's enough to poke at the tip of the iceberg.
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It might make it more puzzling... except for the fact that he's had a long history of lying about how much he's actually worth. Except for the fact that he was raised with massive tax fraud being a normal things in his family. Except for the number of cases of rather obvious financial fraud that are already being investigated. Except for the... ehh, that's enough to poke at the tip of the iceberg.
It's a given he lies about what he's worth.

But there's more there. I'm surprised the IRS hasn't caught him cheating. But maybe they don't look deep enough to find money laundering and whatever his other schemes are.
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Old 8th November 2019, 12:10 AM   #551
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
THe Trumps are a textbook example of the Noveau Riche.
They have to show off how rich they are at every opportunity, Old Money regards that as incredibly vulger.
there's a paywall
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Old 8th November 2019, 12:17 AM   #552
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At the rate things are disintegrating for Team Donny, it will be December 2019, no matter what Mitch "The Turtle" says (and he's starting to hedge his bets too).
But I thought the house (or the other house) wont actually find him guilty? This is all just show boating by the Dems to expose as much s@#t on him running up to the next election. I thought there was no way he will actually be impeached - or found guilty, or whatever the terminology is.
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Old 8th November 2019, 12:28 AM   #553
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
It's a given he lies about what he's worth.

But there's more there. I'm surprised the IRS hasn't caught him cheating. But maybe they don't look deep enough to find money laundering and whatever his other schemes are.
I thought about this and yes the IRS presumably would have nailed him before he was pres if there are irregularities.

No, I'm wondering if it will show (declared) income from places (like bad Russians) which may lend more weight to his Russian collaboration etc. It could show income from some very dubious sources. I assume the IRS doesn't care where the income is from, just that he paid all the Tax due.

I think though it's highly likely we will discover he was in fact so in-debt that he paid no tax at all. Wouldn't surprise me if he was far less rich than he makes out. Oddly I don't think it would hurt his base to publish if this were the reason as much as it is hurting him to keep his returns secret and all the rumors and theories it has generated.
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Old 8th November 2019, 12:30 AM   #554
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Originally Posted by BadBoy View Post
But I thought the house (or the other house) wont actually find him guilty? This is all just show boating by the Dems to expose as much s@#t on him running up to the next election. I thought there was no way he will actually be impeached - or found guilty, or whatever the terminology is.
The House voted to start an investigation. After all the evidence has been gathered, the House of Representatives will vote on whether or not the Senate should hold legal proceeding (a trial). At this point, the majority of folks think that the Senate will not find him guilty.

But we havenít seen all the evidence yet. Getting ahold of the tax returns and the revenue statements for the hotels might produce enough evidence that a few of the Republican senators will break ranks and vote for a secret ballot. If that happens then itíll be much harder to make good predictions about the outcome.

Although Jeff Flake (R) has speculated that if there were a secret ballot, 30 Republican senators would vote him out of office.
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Old 8th November 2019, 12:57 AM   #555
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
It's a given he lies about what he's worth.

But there's more there. I'm surprised the IRS hasn't caught him cheating. But maybe they don't look deep enough to find money laundering and whatever his other schemes are.
I'm not so surprised - on a couple fronts. 1) The IRS does make simple checks, but if you've got the money, it's not hard to hire people who know exactly what those checks are and how to... work around them. If it weren't for Mueller, for example, Manafort's massive fraud likely would not have been discovered. 2) Trump has regularly created shell corporations on top of shell corporations, making it something of a nightmare to actually go through his finances and make sure things all add up honestly. 3) Even when it comes to the audit of the President, it's worth remembering the whistleblower report of the White House exerting... wildly improper influence over that auditing. 4) The GOP's been sabotaging the IRS bit by bit for a while now - which means that the IRS don't have the resources to actually seriously audit and pursue very much of the rather significant tax evasion practiced by the very rich at all, currently. 5) Trump has been regularly fined for violations of money laundering laws in various establishments of his for quite a while, anyways. More could be mentioned, but that's a good start.

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I thought about this and yes the IRS presumably would have nailed him before he was pres if there are irregularities.
Based on what?
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Dear Leader is talking to Mark Burnett about "The Apprentice: White House."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-...r-next-tv-show
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I for one wholly support this new plan for Trump's post-presidential career.
Folks, we've got our new GOP primaries, here.
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Old 8th November 2019, 05:07 AM   #558
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Bolton may not testify in the House investigation.
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John Bolton, President Trumpís former national security adviser, did not show up for scheduled testimony. Mr. Boltonís lawyer told the House Intelligence Committee that he would file a lawsuit in federal court if he were subpoenaed, a challenge that could take months to resolve. Democrats have instead decided to use his refusal as evidence that Mr. Trump is obstructing Congress. Link
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Old 8th November 2019, 06:43 AM   #559
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
It's a given he lies about what he's worth.

People said for years that Trump's talk of running for President was just PR, and he would never actually do it because releasing his tax returns would reveal that he's nowhere near as rich as his public image, and his ego couldn't stand it. Unfortunately he decided that he just wouldn't release them.
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Old 8th November 2019, 06:48 AM   #560
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A RINO, then.
Correct, and also why he lost.

The root of the problem is the voters. The Party has made their bed with the Trump voters and decided that they can't win without full-throated endorsements of Dear Leader, because his brand of anti-intellectuallism, jingoistic sabre-rattling, xenophobia, racism, and owning the Libs is so enormously popular with those voters. One might even say that half of them belong in a basket of deplorables.
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