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Old 5th December 2019, 12:27 PM   #2161
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

Nancy Pelosi just had a nervous fit. She hates that we will soon have 182 great new judges and sooo much more. Stock Market
The same stock market that seems to have dropped over 300 points since Monday?
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and employment records.
Private sector job growth was estimated to be only 67,000 in November, far below the previous predictions of ~150,000, and below the growth of ~120,000-130,000 from October..

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/04/priv...adpmoodys.html
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Old 5th December 2019, 01:15 PM   #2162
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Ex-Repub operative Rick Wilson on MSNBC just explained the self-abasement by Trump's acolytes better than anyone else has:

"Nobody wants to be the first to stop clapping at the Saddam Hussein rally."
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Old 5th December 2019, 01:26 PM   #2163
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
everyone hates the judges Trump appointed, because they are grossly incompetent.
There is a good chance that many of them will drop out as soon as they can line up a more lucrative job.
I'm afraid that's wishful thinking. They've been chosen by the Federalist Society and put in place to turn back the clock on things like civil rights, the environment, workplace safety, separation of church and state. If they need cash the right will just slip them some under the table.

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Ex-Repub operative Rick Wilson on MSNBC just explained the self-abasement by Trump's acolytes better than anyone else has:

"Nobody wants to be the first to stop clapping at the Saddam Hussein rally."
I bought Wilson's book but gave it up about half-way through. It's basically blaming Trump for everything while extolling Wilson's own virtues. He spent 30 years helping make the Republican Party what it is today. Trump isn't the cause of the party's state, he's the result. Wilson, and others like him, are the cause.

ETA: And I'm sure he would disagree with your description of him as "ex-Republican". He's still a Republican operative, he just doesn't like Trump.
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Old 5th December 2019, 01:31 PM   #2164
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
Ex-Repub operative Rick Wilson on MSNBC just explained the self-abasement by Trump's acolytes better than anyone else has:

"Nobody wants to be the first to stop clapping at the Saddam Hussein rally."
That's why one of the last few real hopes I honestly have is that if Republicans ever do turn on Trump... it's pretty much gonna be on masse. Like or two do it and then... boom.

It's a slim chance, but it's nearly all I got left.
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Old 5th December 2019, 01:33 PM   #2165
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
I'm afraid that's wishful thinking. They've been chosen by the Federalist Society and put in place to turn back the clock on things like civil rights, the environment, workplace safety, separation of church and state. If they need cash the right will just slip them some under the table.
Can you even imagine the level of bribes a SCOTUS judge is open to?

I mean on a dollar for influence basis, it's the best way to spend your money. You got buy a lot of Congressmen to ensure a law gets or doesn't get passed, but two or three SCOTUS judges to ensure something goes your way.
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Old 5th December 2019, 01:36 PM   #2166
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Heard this on the radio a little while ago...

“President Trump has asked the Supreme Court to shield his financial records from the Democratic-led House Oversight and Reform Committee, in the latest case to bring questions over separation of powers to the justices.” Source - The Hill

Delay, delay, delay. The Supreme Court may or may not take the case, but one can be sure Trump is already asking, “If we lose in the Supreme Court, what’s the strategy then?” It’s frustrating to me when his strategies achieve their desired goals, even if it’s only for the short term.
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Old 5th December 2019, 01:38 PM   #2167
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Translation: Trump has told the 5-4 Conservative majority on the Supreme Court to stop the Impeachment and they are probably going to do it.
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Old 5th December 2019, 01:42 PM   #2168
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Translation: Trump has told the 5-4 Conservative majority on the Supreme Court to stop the Impeachment and they are probably going to do it.
Do you think that a Justice appointed by Trump would be obligated to recuse themself?
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Old 5th December 2019, 01:45 PM   #2169
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Originally Posted by Distracted1 View Post
Do you think that a Justice appointed by Trump would be obligated to recuse themself?
Justices are never required to recuse themselves, the SCOTUS is above such petty concerns.
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Old 5th December 2019, 01:50 PM   #2170
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
I bought Wilson's book but gave it up about half-way through. It's basically blaming Trump for everything while extolling Wilson's own virtues. He spent 30 years helping make the Republican Party what it is today. Trump isn't the cause of the party's state, he's the result. Wilson, and others like him, are the cause.
He was right there when they released the Kraken, namely Sarah Palin.

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And I'm sure he would disagree with your description of him as "ex-Republican". He's still a Republican operative, he just doesn't like Trump.
I thought he left the party. A super hasty search shows references to that but I don't see anything definitive.
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Old 5th December 2019, 01:50 PM   #2171
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Translation: Trump has told the 5-4 Conservative majority on the Supreme Court to stop the Impeachment and they are probably going to do it.
I have some hope of CJ Roberts being an ethical person. Not a lot, but some.
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Old 5th December 2019, 01:53 PM   #2172
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Can you even imagine the level of bribes a SCOTUS judge is open to?

I mean on a dollar for influence basis, it's the best way to spend your money. You got buy a lot of Congressmen to ensure a law gets or doesn't get passed, but two or three SCOTUS judges to ensure something goes your way.
You don't need to bribe the Justice. Just hire his wife for your right-wing think tank.
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Old 5th December 2019, 01:55 PM   #2173
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
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I bought Wilson's book but gave it up about half-way through. It's basically blaming Trump for everything while extolling Wilson's own virtues. He spent 30 years helping make the Republican Party what it is today. Trump isn't the cause of the party's state, he's the result. Wilson, and others like him, are the cause.

ETA: And I'm sure he would disagree with your description of him as "ex-Republican". He's still a Republican operative, he just doesn't like Trump.
I meant ex-operative, not ex-Repub. I don't think there's much chance of him signing on with Bernie Sanders.

And Trump is the result of a lot of cascading political failure, including Reagan's tax cuts and union-busting, Bill Clinton's trade policies and Obama not sending anybody to prison after the financial crisis. But the entire Republican establishment was unanimously against Trump. They were even talking about trying to block his nomination at the convention. There's plenty of blame to go around for Trump, but Wilson sure didn't support him
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Old 5th December 2019, 01:56 PM   #2174
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Translation: Trump has told the 5-4 Conservative majority on the Supreme Court to stop the Impeachment and they are probably going to do it.
On what basis? Impeachment is a Congressional process.
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Old 5th December 2019, 02:33 PM   #2175
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On what basis? Impeachment is a Congressional process.
You would think that the case would be short.

Lawyer: The constitution states that the House shall have the sole power of impeachment.
Judges: Case dismissed
Trump: Waaaaaaa! Roberts is a meanie!
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Old 5th December 2019, 02:50 PM   #2176
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On what basis? Impeachment is a Congressional process.
They can keep the fininacial records from being released, but they can't stop the impeachment process.
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Old 5th December 2019, 02:52 PM   #2177
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I know the fatigue that's setting in with me is with these excessive appeals. I understand it's the process, and Trump truly does deserve the same rights all of us do; however, it does get old reading "Court rules against Trump, means **** all since we're going to appeal and wait for 3 more months".
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I keep on saying, if things are as bad as some here say, the only logical thing to do is buy a rifle and learn how to use it, because it will come to an armed struggle.
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Old 5th December 2019, 02:53 PM   #2179
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I keep on saying, if things are as bad as some here say, the only logical thing to do is buy a rifle and learn how to use it, because it will come to an armed struggle.
I don't believe that at all. There are some things that Trump has done that aren't terrible. I think if he's impeached, or if he loses the election, he'll leave without too much fuss. He'll piss and moan about how illegal everything is but I think he'll leave without a hassle.
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Time to poke at some things that may be of interest.

State lawyers say judge's ruling will nullify Florida law restoring ex-felons' voting rights

Short version of the story, including some extra surrounding stuff? After Florida overwhelmingly voted to reenfranchise ex-felons' voting rights on the ballot, the GOP got scared and tacked on an entirely superfluous effective poll tax to try to keep as many of them disenfranchised as possible. They just had that effective poll tax ruled unconstitutional (at least mostly), so now they're trying to argue that the entirely superfluous effective poll tax is inseparable from what the Florida voters actually voted for.

Newly obtained video shows no one checked on boy as he lay dying in Border Patrol custody

In short, ICE failed to actually do their jobs. Then brazenly lied about it. And the kid died because of that.

Suit alleging private prison company used ICE detainees as 'captive labor force' goes forward

May those who shamelessly and viciously exploited detainees actually suffer for their immoral misdeeds.

Republicans confirm judge so committed to destroying reproductive rights that she opposes surrogacy

ABA rated her as not qualified, of course, too. Darn that liberal ABA, actually upholding "standards" in the face of radical Republicans trying to fill the courts with actual activist judges, no matter how unqualified.

Rudy Giuliani back in Kyiv to double down on corruption and create genuine international conspiracy

It's absurd, of course, and he quite deserves to be living in a cell by now.

Barr threatens that 'communities' could lose 'the police protection they need' if they resist cops

Well... That's closer to foghorn level than dogwhistle level, as seems to be increasingly be the GOP's wont these days.
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Trump Tweets

Nancy Pelosi just had a nervous fit. She hates that we will soon have 182 great new judges and sooo much more. Stock Market and employment records. She says she “prays for the President.” I don’t believe her, not even close. Help the homeless in your district Nancy. USMCA
Frequently when I channel surf past the Senate coverage on CSPAN, they are pumping federal judges through, one after the other. It takes them about one minute per judge.
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Old 5th December 2019, 03:17 PM   #2182
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Translation: Trump has told the 5-4 Conservative majority on the Supreme Court to stop the Impeachment and they are probably going to do it.
I doubt Roberts would allow that. Surely at least he is not a yes Trumper.
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I keep on saying, if things are as bad as some here say, the only logical thing to do is buy a rifle and learn how to use it, because it will come to an armed struggle.
If the worst comes to be, and the people who value democracy are so few and our dedication so lacking that we're unable to brings thing to a head using non-violent means, then we deserve what we get.
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Old 5th December 2019, 03:25 PM   #2184
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If the worst comes to be, and the people who value democracy are so few and our dedication so lacking that we're unable to brings thing to a head using non-violent means, then we deserve what we get.
I don't disagree, but at times it does comes down to a fight. Non violence does not always work.
We only had one massive breakdown in our (The USA) history where it came down to real serious violence;The Civil War. The question is are we in a similar situation right now.
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I don't believe that at all. There are some things that Trump has done that aren't terrible. I think if he's impeached, or if he loses the election, he'll leave without too much fuss. He'll piss and moan about how illegal everything is but I think he'll leave without a hassle.
Some people think there might be a problem, especially if the election is close.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...=recirc_recent
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...ection-1441216

The real worry should be how much damage Trump could do between Nov. 3 and Jan. 20.
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CNBC (Canadian): Trump abruptly cancels NATO news conference after summit turns sour
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President Donald Trump on Wednesday abruptly canceled a news conference that was scheduled to cap a contentious trip to the U.K. for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s 70th anniversary meeting.
The presser was scheduled to come after a series of bilateral meetings with NATO members, including German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte.
Hours before it was set to start, video emerged of Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau caught on a hot mic apparently mocking Trump.
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Here is yet another possible example of illegal activity by the Trump administration:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/...icane-n1096421
Democratic lawmakers Thursday accused the Trump administration of "illegally withholding" funding for hurricane recovery efforts in Puerto Rico after missing a legally required deadline to kick off the process three months ago.

Not really sure why they are making an issue of it now rather than when the deadline was first missed. (I guess waiting a short amount of time would have given them some opportunity to fix the problem and avoid accusations of Democrats being over eager to criticize the Trump administration.)
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Not sure if it was in this thread or another, but someone said Trump would re-institute slavery if he could get away with it. He's getting away with it.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I don't disagree, but at times it does comes down to a fight. Non violence does not always work.
We only had one massive breakdown in our (The USA) history where it came down to real serious violence;The Civil War. The question is are we in a similar situation right now.
We will need to be smart and strategic. Random ideas that occur to me (which may lack the aforementioned properties)... Shut down every street block in the country that has a Trump Hotel. That should be pretty easy. Protesters driven away by the law? Back the next day. Fill up the prisons. Shut down entire downtowns. Unload all stock holdings. Withdraw all cash. Massive tax disobedience. Every congressional dem resigns. West coast threatens to secede. West coast secedes. Don't buy My Pillow. Etc.
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Not sure if it was in this thread or another, but someone said Trump would re-institute slavery if he could get away with it. He's getting away with it.
To be clear on that, incidentally -

How U.S. Immigration Law Enables Modern Slavery

By tying workers’ residence status to an employer, the visa system leaves many of them vulnerable to exploitation.


There's been a problem for quite a while in a few aspects of US law, especially when it comes to imprisoned people and non-citizens here to work legally (let alone the illegals that were largely attracted by unsavory Republicans offering them jobs and opportunity). That, I don't blame on Trump. The Trump Administration's efforts to exacerbate the problems by making it ever easier to exploit, silence, and effectively enslave the already vulnerable people, however, I do.
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To be clear on that, incidentally -

How U.S. Immigration Law Enables Modern Slavery

By tying workers’ residence status to an employer, the visa system leaves many of them vulnerable to exploitation.


There's been a problem for quite a while in a few aspects of US law, especially when it comes to imprisoned people and non-citizens here to work legally (let alone the illegals that were largely attracted by unsavory Republicans offering them jobs and opportunity). That, I don't blame on Trump. The Trump Administration's efforts to exacerbate the problems by making it ever easier to exploit, silence, and effectively enslave the already vulnerable people, however, I do.
And that was 2.5 years ago. I expect it's only gotten worse.
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Old 5th December 2019, 06:15 PM   #2192
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
We will need to be smart and strategic. Random ideas that occur to me (which may lack the aforementioned properties)... Shut down every street block in the country that has a Trump Hotel. That should be pretty easy. Protesters driven away by the law? Back the next day. Fill up the prisons. Shut down entire downtowns. Unload all stock holdings. Withdraw all cash. Massive tax disobedience. Every congressional dem resigns. West coast threatens to secede. West coast secedes. Don't buy My Pillow. Etc.
Problem is all those steps will result in violence.
West Coast seceding is amusing;will they fire on Alcatraz, which is owned by the Feds, as the first act of the war?
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Old 5th December 2019, 06:17 PM   #2193
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Old news. GOt huge coverage yesterday.
But yeah, Donnie behaved like a ten year old kid picking up his marbles and going home because he was losing....
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Old 5th December 2019, 06:32 PM   #2194
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Problem is all those steps will result in violence.
West Coast seceding is amusing;will they fire on Alcatraz, which is owned by the Feds, as the first act of the war?
Not so fast. If the resistance is large enough, withdrawing all cash, unloading all stock, and refusing to pay income tax would bring the US economy to its knees. It would effectively shut down the country. Those are non-violent measures that do not invite a violent response. It perplexes me how you overlook this in your reply.

The other measures invite a violent response, but that doesn't mean the resistance needs to be violent. But yeah, succession probably isn't a good idea if the goal is non violence.

I realize these are extreme proposals. Taking up arms is even more extreme.
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Old 5th December 2019, 07:45 PM   #2195
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Old news. GOt huge coverage yesterday.
But yeah, Donnie behaved like a ten year old kid picking up his marbles and going home because he was losing....
I was only putting two and two together, maybe you missed that.
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Old 5th December 2019, 08:34 PM   #2196
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Translation: Trump has told the 5-4 Conservative majority on the Supreme Court to stop the Impeachment and they are probably going to do it.
That's a terrible translation.

Unless, perhaps, the target language isn't English but has lots of words spelled the same as English.
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Old 5th December 2019, 08:52 PM   #2197
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British Writer Pens The Best Description Of Trump I've Read
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Someone on Quora asked "Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?" Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:

A few things spring to mind.

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed...
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Old 5th December 2019, 09:11 PM   #2198
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
We will need to be smart and strategic. Random ideas that occur to me (which may lack the aforementioned properties)... Shut down every street block in the country that has a Trump Hotel. That should be pretty easy. Protesters driven away by the law? Back the next day. Fill up the prisons. Shut down entire downtowns. Unload all stock holdings. Withdraw all cash. Massive tax disobedience. Every congressional dem resigns. West coast threatens to secede. West coast secedes. Don't buy My Pillow. Etc.
How would that help in any way?
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Old 5th December 2019, 09:13 PM   #2199
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I keep on saying, if things are as bad as some here say, the only logical thing to do is buy a rifle and learn how to use it, because it will come to an armed struggle.
So who is going to be shooting at whom? We are not geographically divided.

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Old 5th December 2019, 09:49 PM   #2200
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How would that help in any way?
The context is a future scenario where democracy has broken down so completely that armed resistance is thought to be warranted, but I propose otherwise. Congress is a charade and only serves to prop up the Ivanka Trump "presidency". There's no reason to play the charade. People who are for democracy are part of the resistance.

Or something like that. These are random thoughts involving a dystopian future.

My point is, we shouldn't be so eager to to leap into armed resistance. There are other options.
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