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30th January 2023, 09:19 PM | #1961 |
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30th January 2023, 11:35 PM | #1962 |
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30th January 2023, 11:52 PM | #1963 |
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I will not be surprised if some DA pulls out a tape in which #45 calls S.A. and says” hey, could you send a death squad over here to kill and dismember 2 or 3 civil-suit plaintiffs? You know - for old times.”
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31st January 2023, 12:13 AM | #1964 |
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Well, that's assuming he's not actually poor now, and living on just what he can grift.
Sadly, I'm not sure how bad some of these lawsuits will be. The NY lawsuit over his bank fraud could be devastating (not just because of the amount involved, but because it could prevent him from doing business in NY.) And the prosecutor there seems to be on the ball. The other lawsuits don't seem to be as bad. The rape/defamation lawsuit might be expensive for him, but old cases can be difficult to prosecute. (It all depends on what evidence she can bring up.) Most of the other lawsuits are for relatively small amounts (copyright infringement over music used in his campaign), or have a low chance of success (e.g. the lawsuits over Jan6 could be dismissed if they assume Trump was functioning in his capacity as president.) |
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31st January 2023, 05:03 AM | #1965 |
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All true. But Alex Jones has an outstanding 1.5 billion dollar debt as the result of just one or two defamation cases. Should Donny get fined, say, half a billion per case, his whole "fortune" would be at stake. One billion per case and he is in REALLY serious if not fatal financial trouble. And the usual offshore sources of his free funds might start to take a dim view and get a lot stingier with the handouts. Perhaps even turn that tap off and let him swing in the breeze this time.
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31st January 2023, 05:52 AM | #1966 |
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The Stormy Daniels money is not completely done. Michael Cohen went to jail. Barr had all traces of Individual 1 erased from the charges. But there is a new grand jury on this.
Cohen has served his time but could be a witness. |
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31st January 2023, 10:43 AM | #1967 |
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Suppose we can throw a perjury charge in there somehow?
From: Yahoo ...Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge...Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did. (Unfortunately such things don't really have any sort of long-term impact.) |
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31st January 2023, 10:48 AM | #1968 |
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The grand jury that is currently investigating Trump's payments to Stormy Daniels is a state-level one. (On the other hand Cohen was convicted in federal court.)
I'm not sure about jurisdiction here... I could be wrong, but I think Trump is being investigated for business fraud for the way he hid the payments with his company. I am not sure that issues of campaign finance (the charges that Cohen was sent to jail for) are things that can be charged by the Manhattan DA or if there actually has to be separate charges brought forward in federal court.
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31st January 2023, 02:12 PM | #1969 |
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Carroll has the dress she was wearing at the time she says he raped her. It was tested and found to have male DNA on it. Trump's lawyers were notified to present a sample of Trump's DNA for comparison.
Two friends of Carroll's, Carol Martin and Lisa Birnbach, have said that Carroll told them about the rape. Birnbach says she was told right after it happened and Martin says she was told 2-3 days later. |
31st January 2023, 02:38 PM | #1970 |
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A dress again, I love it. Are we sure this isn't a Three Stooges episode? No offense to the stooges, of course. It just gets weirder and weirder.
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31st January 2023, 03:29 PM | #1971 |
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31st January 2023, 07:09 PM | #1972 |
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Are dresses like garlic to US presidents?
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3rd February 2023, 09:19 AM | #1973 |
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This could be.... interesting.
Remember Weisselberg, Trump's executive in jail for tax fraud? The one who got what many consider an overly-lenient deal to testify against the Trump organization (despite his unwillingness to testify against Trump himself)? He might still be in some hot water... From: ABC News The Manhattan district attorney's office has recently threatened to file new criminal charges against former Trump Organization chief financial officer Allen Weisselberg...The new charges...would involve insurance fraud... Prosecutors in Manhattan are using the threat of additional charges to pressure Weisselberg into cooperating with their ongoing criminal investigation... Insurance fraud was mentioned in New York Attorney General Letitia James' $250 million civil lawsuit...The lawsuit, which also names Weisselberg and other executives, alleges that the former CFO lied to an insurance company about an appraisal of Trump's real estate portfolio. If the reports are true, then I should congratulate DA Alvin Bragg for finally showing a little backbone and a willingness to play hardball. I bit late in the game, but still would be a welcome change. |
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Looks like there may be criminal charges coming soon regarding the Georgia election interference.
'Trump has a lot of legal problems. But one phone call in 2020 could soon lead to criminal charges': https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-...woes/101925518 |
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5th February 2023, 08:54 AM | #1979 |
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The hush money payment Cohen made might be a bigger problem. In Georgia, you could get an anti-American juror who would hang it and Trump would get a mistrial. In New York, that's less of a concern. Plus, they have already secured a conviction in the Stormy Daniels hush money payment scheme. |
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13th February 2023, 06:18 PM | #1980 |
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Parts of results of the grand jury investigation into Trump's election interference in GA will be released on Thursday.
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I'll second this. Trump suffering does nothing for me. I honestly don't care about him much at all. I do care about a number of things and issues that surround him, though, and thus quite desire that he receive punishment commensurate with the harm that he's caused as a matter of principle and practicality.
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14th February 2023, 12:38 PM | #1985 |
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They have the dress and a DNA analysis, but at the time the lawsuit was started Trump did not submit a sample for comparison.
Trump's lawyers have since offered to provide a sample, but it is likely a bad-faith attempt to muddy the waters, as the evidence discovery phase has already passed. So they are either trying to: - Delay the trial by having them reopen discovery to do the analysis - Claim "we offered Trump's DNA but they didn't want to test it" Overall, the dress may not actually play a part in the trial. (Her lawyers have already said its "not a DNA case".)
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Not sure why that wasn't done. But there may be privacy issues involved. Or the issue of establishing a chain of custody. (i.e. "it could have been anyone's DNA")
Police probably have more leeway to use those methods in a criminal investigation, but this is a civil case. |
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Trump loses again...
From: ABC News An appellate court in New York on Tuesday upheld a $110,000 fine imposed on former President Donald Trump over his failure to comply with a subpoena issued by the New York Attorney General's office as part of its civil investigation of Trump and his family business. |
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14th February 2023, 01:32 PM | #1989 |
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True...but the collection can be video recorded to establish the chain of custody
and that it's his DNA. I've seen this done on some true crime shows. I doubt there's any difference between a criminal and civil case when it comes to collecting DNA from an abandoned source. I don't think it will come down to that; he'll give up his DNA. Mary Trump should give a sample of her DNA for them to compare the dress DNA to first. It will show if there's a family connection or not. |
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They can video tape the collection, but they also would need to follow through and video tape the complete analysis.
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This case concerned a private detective, so not the cops:
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Whatever you thought of the usefulness of a DNA analysis, it is now officially moot...
From: CTV News Judge Lewis A. Kaplan rejected the 11th-hour offer by Trump's legal team to provide a DNA sample to rebut claims E. Jean Carroll first made publicly in a 2019 book...Kaplan said that lawyers for Trump and Carroll had over three years to make DNA an issue in the case and that both chose not to do so....He said it would almost surely delay the trial scheduled to start April 25 to reopen the DNA issue four months after the deadline passed to litigate concerns over trial evidence |
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Well, that sucks lemons.
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The delay, delay, delay is infuriating. I think it shows a flaw in our system of justice that somehow needs to be addressed.
Both “Cleanup an Aisle 45” and “Opening Arguments” addressed this ploy by Trump’s attorneys in recent podcasts. In short, due to the fact that discovery was closed some time ago, this very, very late offer of the DNA was merely a delaying tactic, and the judge clearly saw it as such. E. Jean Carrol is 80 years old, and further delaying the trial could easily deny her justice in her lifetime. Clearly a case of “Justice delayed is justice denied”. |
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I assume you were referring to the Judge's decision not to re-open discovery in order to get a DNA comparison done. (Which, as I mentioned before, seemed to be a delaying tactic more than anything else.)
One of the problems with the dress is that it was always an imperfect piece of evidence. They did find DNA samples of an unknown male (presumed to be Trump) but no evidence of sperm. So even if there was a match the Trump team could always argue it was "incidental contact" that left the DNA. The best it could do is prove the 2 of them had SOME contact (which has some value since I think Trump claimed he "never met her") but not what type of contact it was. (And in the worst case scenario, it wasn't Trump's DNA but some other random guy who had incidental contact, in which case he would claim that it exonerates him.) I do not doubt Carroll's story... I think there are enough reasons to believe she is the one telling the truth. (His inability to distinguish Carroll from Maples despite her not "being his type", Trump initially fighting the DNA sample, even though if he was innocent it would benefit him since samples wouldn't match...) I just don't think the dress was needed to make the case. |
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Well, if the DNA sample wasn't from Trump, it could have come from someone like a dry cleaner who would have had a reason to handle it.
If it was Trump's on the inside skirt entry, it would certainly help establish that it was from an assault. Not sure how it would have been explained by Trump. (Secondary contact?) |
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All the DNA has to prove is that Trump touched it, which would show that he lied - this is a defamation Trial after all.
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Yes, it would certainly indicate he lied when he said he never met Carroll.
But stacyhs mentioned that one of the male samples was from the inside of the skirt. IF that were ever matched to Trump, it would be a rather... unusual place to find his DNA. On the shoulder or sleeve? Yeah, that could easily be from casual contact. Finding it on the skirt is a little bit more...questionable. But then again, its all moot since they won't be trying to match the DNA on the dress to Trump. |
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