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Old 5th February 2023, 04:12 PM   #2881
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Oh crap. Despite all the "harm" it's supposed to cause the attempted cancellation of Hogwart's Legacy appears to have faltered, sputtered, died by the side of the road, and hauled off to be crushed.

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Old 6th February 2023, 06:37 AM   #2882
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Any and all mistakes are firing offenses, got it.

Totally not cancel culture.
Even by your normal standards, that was a hilariously bad bait and switch. You asked how the thing you yourself said was a mistake could have possibly been a bad look, I pointed out how you had tripped over your own argument, and you jumped to this strawman of my arguments that <spoiler> already applies to everyone not in your ivory tower anyway.

As already pointed out, if you wish to argue that worker protections should be strengthened, or the social safety net, we agree. But when your only concerns are for the already protected people well off enough that they don't need a safety net, it gets obvious that the safety net or worker protections are not your real concerns.
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Old 6th February 2023, 06:40 AM   #2883
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Originally Posted by Stout View Post
Oh crap. Despite all the "harm" it's supposed to cause the attempted cancellation of Hogwart's Legacy appears to have faltered, sputtered, died by the side of the road, and hauled off to be crushed.

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Oh noes, another cancellation that wasn't. This continued braying of examples that disprove your belief in cancel culture while being apparently oblivious to how they do so continues to amuse.
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Old 6th February 2023, 06:42 AM   #2884
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Not entirely sure what Google shows over there, tbh.

Though I'm now also not sure what would you define as "cancel culture." At the end of the day that's what it boils down to: some numpties are whining about how X is a horrible person because he/she/it disagrees with them. Or as in this case just isn't interested in validating their pet peeve. Usually without any kind of success when it comes to cancelling them (especially when it comes to a self-employed streamer, WHO would fire him?) But just because a bully isn't actually successful in silencing someone, doesn't mean that the intent wasn't there.
As someone who has been in this thread whining about how people who dislike what you like are horrible people/the Taliban/literal Nazis, you might want to look in the mirror.
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Old 6th February 2023, 08:09 AM   #2885
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Originally Posted by wareyin View Post
Oh noes, another cancellation that wasn't. This continued braying of examples that disprove your belief in cancel culture while being apparently oblivious to how they do so continues to amuse.
Agreed, it is highly amusing watching the attempted cancellation of the Harry Potter series getting kicked squarely in the gonads by the boot of public opinion yet again. After the runaway success of my first novel Harry Potter vs the Pissed Off Christians, keep your eyes peeled for my forthcoming follow up work Harry Potter vs the Pissed Off Trannies.
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Old 6th February 2023, 08:58 AM   #2886
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As even one of the most fervent believers in "cancel culture" now agrees that his own examples disprove his claims, I maintain hope that other reactionaries will stop whining about their privileged icons ever possibly facing watered down consequences of their own choices. Or the 'podcasts should be made forever even if those making them no longer want to do it' thing.

But I'm not going to hold my breath.
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Old 6th February 2023, 10:07 AM   #2887
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Originally Posted by Stout View Post
Agreed, it is highly amusing watching the attempted cancellation of the Harry Potter series getting kicked squarely in the gonads by the boot of public opinion yet again. After the runaway success of my first novel Harry Potter vs the Pissed Off Christians, keep your eyes peeled for my forthcoming follow up work Harry Potter vs the Pissed Off Trannies.
Thank you for once again confirming that, for the most part, the system works and there is nothing problematic happening on a significant enough level to call it a “culture”.
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Old 10th February 2023, 01:04 AM   #2888
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
In late breaking cancellation news, a couple more of my fav podcasts are on the chopping block.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenArgs/co...andrew_torrez/
So "Opening Arguments" was for the chopping block, and Andrew Torrez was "cancelled" by MSW Media...

Coulda fooled me...

https://openargs.com/oa688-oh-no-the-privilege-is-mine/

So much for cancel culture eh d4m10n
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Old 10th February 2023, 09:03 AM   #2889
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He was indeed cancelled from his co-hosting role at MSW, to be replaced soon. The replacement pick is experienced and erudite, so this might not be so bad.

I stand corrected on whether the Opening Arguments podcast will go on...for now. There is at least some reason to believe it will have to rebuild from scratch given a very sharp decline in financial support.

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Old 10th February 2023, 09:24 AM   #2890
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
He was indeed cancelled from his co-hosting role at MSW, to be replaced soon. The replacement pick is experienced and erudite, so this might not be so bad.

I stand corrected on whether the Opening Arguments podcast will go on...for now. There is at least some reason to believe it will have to rebuild from scratch given a very sharp decline in financial support.

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OMG, people are no longer giving money to the podcast you like? How very dare they! Why, there should be a law forcing people to pay for what d4m10n likes! Otherwise it's cancel culture!
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Old 10th February 2023, 09:37 AM   #2891
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Originally Posted by wareyin View Post
Why, there should be a law forcing people to pay for what d4m10n likes!
Every time you pull out this trope I ask you the same question: Who said anything about lawmaking?
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Old 10th February 2023, 09:44 AM   #2892
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Every time you pull out this trope I ask you the same question: Who said anything about lawmaking?
Ok. What is your proposal to force people to pay for the content you like when they no longer wish to pay for it?
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Old 10th February 2023, 10:20 AM   #2893
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Originally Posted by wareyin View Post
What is your proposal to force people to pay for the content you like when they no longer wish to pay for it?
Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Who threatened to use force?
Seems we're stuck in a do loop.
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Old 10th February 2023, 10:23 AM   #2894
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Seems we're stuck in a do loop.
Yep. The one where you pretend force has only one meaning while you whine that people not paying for content they don't want is "cancel culture".
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Old 10th February 2023, 10:26 AM   #2895
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Here (once again) is the definition of cancel culture:
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Cancel culture refers to the popular practice of withdrawing support for (canceling) public figures and companies after they have done or said something considered objectionable or offensive. Cancel culture is generally discussed as being performed on social media in the form of group shaming.
People are demonstrably withdrawing support from the show, after the main host did and/or said something objectionable or offensive.
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Old 10th February 2023, 10:34 AM   #2896
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Here (once again) is the definition of cancel culture:
People are demonstrably withdrawing support from the show, after the main host did and/or said something objectionable or offensive.
And to fix this, d4m10n proposes...?

You want people to be compelled in some way to continue to support what you like. Here's a better idea: why don't you complain about the main host doing the bad thing that drove away his supporters, rather than complaining that people don't like it when someone does a bad thing.
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Old 10th February 2023, 11:03 AM   #2897
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You want people to be compelled in some way to continue to support what you like.
What have I ever written that gave you this idea?


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Old 10th February 2023, 11:11 AM   #2898
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Here (once again) is the definition of cancel culture:
People are demonstrably withdrawing support from the show, after the main host did and/or said something objectionable or offensive.
That’s called boycotting - a term in use since the 19th century - Interesting etymology: “the name of Captain Charles C. Boycott (1832–97), an Irish land agent so treated in 1880, in an attempt instigated by the Irish Land League to get rents reduced…”
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Old 10th February 2023, 11:12 AM   #2899
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Yeah. It's giving something that always been a thing a new, scary name when its used against you. We established 73 pages ago and nobody has argued differently.
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Old 10th February 2023, 11:18 AM   #2900
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
What have I ever written that gave you this idea?


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Pretty much every time you complain that your preferred content isn't making enough money and that's Cancel culture ooooooh.

Let's circle back to my suggestion that you snipped for some (totally obvious) reason: Why don't you complain about the hosts of your shows doing the bad things, rather than the fact that people don't want to pay for the bad things they don't like?
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Old 10th February 2023, 11:33 AM   #2901
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Here (once again) is the definition of cancel culture:
People are demonstrably withdrawing support from the show, after the main host did and/or said something objectionable or offensive.
Nope, that is actually "Consequence Culture".

Its good to see consequences for people who behave objectionably, such as when they commit sexual harassment, and I fully support those who choose to visit consequences on such people.

When businesses pull their advertising on TV shows such as Tucker Carlson's White Power Hour, or Laura Ingraham's The Ingraham Angle, that's not "cancelling" that's "consequences". That's the businesses exercising their right not to have their brand and good name associated with a pair of racist douchebags. The same applies here... those people who no longer support Torrez are exercising their right to impose consequences on him for his behaviour. I support those rights, and I always will.
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Old 10th February 2023, 11:38 AM   #2902
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
What have I ever written that gave you this idea?
What is your proposal to address this issue? Please be specific.
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Old 10th February 2023, 11:41 AM   #2903
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Here (once again) is the definition of cancel culture:
People are demonstrably withdrawing support from the show, after the main host did and/or said something objectionable or offensive.
You also claimed that what happened to the adjunct professor at Hamline was an example of “cancel culture”, despite not meeting certain conditions of the aforementioned definition. The term seems quite malleable in your usage of it, to the point of being functionally meaningless.
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
You also claimed that what happened to the adjunct professor at Hamline was an example of “cancel culture”, despite not meeting certain conditions of the aforementioned definition.
Which conditions were not met?

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What is your proposal to address this issue? Please be specific.
I've already mentioned "self-restraint in the face of outrage gone viral," and you've already replied to that series of posts, so you can probably guess what my proposal would be.

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Nope, that is actually "Consequence Culture".
You should write in and have the dictionary editors consider your suggestion; perhaps they were mistaken about which phrase people have been using to describe this phenomenon.
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Old 10th February 2023, 01:13 PM   #2905
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Which conditions were not met?
What support was withdrawn? How was social media or group shaming involved?

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I've already mentioned "self-restraint in the face of outrage gone viral," and you've already replied to that series of posts, so you can probably guess what my proposal would be.
You must have missed the part where I requested that you be specific. Generic and nebulous platitudes do not meet that requirement. What parameters determine restraint? Who is establishing those parameters?
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Which conditions were not met?
Most of them, from what I can see: withdrawing support, social media, group shaming

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I've already mentioned "self-restraint in the face of outrage gone viral," and you've already replied to that series of posts, so you can probably guess what my proposal would be.
At what point should the instigators of the bad acts be held to the "self-restraint" standard? I would suggest before they chose to publicly do a bad act which caused people to lose interest in them. But hey, you'd rather blame people for reacting negatively to bad acts than blame the people who actually did the bad acts.
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From the website of 'The Foundation for Individual Rights & Expression', another campus blasphemy case from Minnesota.



But this time both the both the transgressor and 'victim' are members of what the Woke call the 'Muslim Race'.


The cause, the means used to support the Iranian Protests, the result, artworks covered by black curtains so that none may see them and be harmed by the sight.


Again this is probably more 'Censorship Culture', but I thought it worth mentioning.



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On the heels of a national controversy over blasphemy and art at nearby Hamline College, now St. Paul, Minnesota’s Macalester College is mired in its own dispute over artistic imagery and religious offense, complete with a “content warning” and black curtains temporarily censoring artwork.

On Jan. 27, an exhibit by Iranian-American artist Taravat Talepasand opened at the college’s Law Warschaw Gallery, the culmination of conversations taking place between Talepasand and the college since 2019. The exhibit, TARAVAT, comments on a range of issues related to gender and religious and political power.

https://www.thefire.org/news/yet-ano...nian-americans
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It's giving something that always been a thing a new, scary name when its used against you. We established 73 pages ago and nobody has argued differently.
We established that the phrase was coined and popularized on black twitter, by people who were not having it used against them. Go back and have a look.

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What support was withdrawn?
Institutional support in the form of a platform and lectern, not to mention a stipend.

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How was social media or group shaming involved?
I'm unsure about that. While cancel culture is "generally discussed as being performed on social media in the form of group shaming," I would not assume that this is an essential part of the definition. Some cancellations come from within the institutions themselves, as when Slate parted ways with Pesca or when Gimlet did the same with Pinnamaneni & Vogt.

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What parameters determine restraint?
I pasted in an entire paragraph from Hamline U. about how they balance academic freedom and the felt need not to give offense. I'd say those are the most relevant parameters in this case, and that the university failed to live up to their own stated principles.
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A Dutch production of the Samuel Beckett play "Waiting for Godot" was canceled because the show's Irish director only allowed men to audition, despite Beckett clearly stating that the cast should be five men.

The play, which features two central male characters Vladimir and Estragon who are joined by other male characters as they wait for someone who never arrives, had been in rehearsals since November.

It was due to be staged at the University of Groningen’s Usva student cultural center in March, but the production was canceled when the venue discovered the casting call had been open to men only.

The venue subsequently informed the production team that the male-only casting call went against the university's inclusivity policy.
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Cancel culture isn't real.
How does this qualify as “cancel culture” per the definition that you provided?
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From the website of 'The Foundation for Individual Rights & Expression', another campus blasphemy case from Minnesota.



But this time both the both the transgressor and 'victim' are members of what the Woke call the 'Muslim Race'.


The cause, the means used to support the Iranian Protests, the result, artworks covered by black curtains so that none may see them and be harmed by the sight.


Again this is probably more 'Censorship Culture', but I thought it worth mentioning.






https://www.thefire.org/news/yet-ano...nian-americans
Who or what was “cancelled” here?
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How does this qualify as “cancel culture” per the definition that you provided?
No idea. I was commenting on a comment which you left out.
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
What support was withdrawn? How was social media or group shaming involved?

You must have missed the part where I requested that you be specific. Generic, nebulous and self-serving platitudes do not meet that requirement. What parameters determine restraint? Who is establishing those parameters?
Added to that for you
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The play maker will not be canceled: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/m...-incident/amp/
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How was social media or group shaming involved?
"Other Muslim students, not in the course, supported the student, saying the class was an attack on their religion. They demanded that officials take action."

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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
"Other Muslim students, not in the course, supported the student, saying the class was an attack on their religion. They demanded that officials take action."

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Ah, Muslim students are not allowed to support each other... got it!
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Old 11th February 2023, 09:27 AM   #2916
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
No idea. I was commenting on a comment which you left out.

Okay, here’s the comment:
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I welcome the fact that the play was shelved in this case.

How is that “cancel culture”?
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
"Other Muslim students, not in the course, supported the student, saying the class was an attack on their religion. They demanded that officials take action."

https://nyti.ms/3Xe7oZH
How was social media or group shaming involved?
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Old 11th February 2023, 09:41 AM   #2918
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Institutional support in the form of a platform and lectern, not to mention a stipend.
Meaning simply that the professor didn’t have their contract renewed. There was no widespread withdrawal of support. If anything, the professor gained support from this incident. Agreed?

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I'm unsure about that. While cancel culture is "generally discussed as being performed on social media in the form of group shaming," I would not assume that this is an essential part of the definition. Some cancellations come from within the institutions themselves, as when Slate parted ways with Pesca or when Gimlet did the same with Pinnamaneni & Vogt.
So just the mere act of losing a job can be “cancel culture” absent any other associated characteristics, correct?

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I pasted in an entire paragraph from Hamline U. about how they balance academic freedom and the felt need not to give offense. I'd say those are the most relevant parameters in this case, and that the university failed to live up to their own stated principles.
So you agree that private businesses and institutions should be allowed to set their own standards (within the law) and as long as those standards (or any laws) are not violated, it really shouldn’t be anyone else’s concern how they handle these matters, correct?
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
The play maker will not be canceled: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/m...-incident/amp/
“I’m a victim of cancel culture!” a wealthy and famous man tells a major media outlet.
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
Meaning simply that the professor didn’t have their contract renewed. There was no widespread withdrawal of support. If anything, the professor gained support from this incident.
"Muslim students...demanded that officials take action," and the officials subsequently dropped the professor. Was this withdrawal of support widespread? I'm not sure why that should matter at this point.

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So you agree that private businesses and institutions should be allowed to set their own standards (within the law) and as long as those standards (or any laws) are not violated, it really shouldn’t be anyone else’s concern how they handle these matters, correct?
Nope. I think it is just fine for us to discuss such matters on a discussion board.

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How is that “cancel culture”?
How is it cancel culture to welcome the cancellation of a stage play? Let's go through it step-by-step.

1) Withdrawing support: People hoping to get the production of the play cancelled.

2) Public figure: That would be the playwright in this case, possibly along with his enablers.

3) Something considered offensive: Creating a stage play with only male actors.
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