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5th February 2023, 04:12 PM | #2881 |
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Oh crap. Despite all the "harm" it's supposed to cause the attempted cancellation of Hogwart's Legacy appears to have faltered, sputtered, died by the side of the road, and hauled off to be crushed.
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6th February 2023, 06:37 AM | #2882 |
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Even by your normal standards, that was a hilariously bad bait and switch. You asked how the thing you yourself said was a mistake could have possibly been a bad look, I pointed out how you had tripped over your own argument, and you jumped to this strawman of my arguments that <spoiler> already applies to everyone not in your ivory tower anyway.
As already pointed out, if you wish to argue that worker protections should be strengthened, or the social safety net, we agree. But when your only concerns are for the already protected people well off enough that they don't need a safety net, it gets obvious that the safety net or worker protections are not your real concerns. |
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6th February 2023, 08:09 AM | #2885 |
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Agreed, it is highly amusing watching the attempted cancellation of the Harry Potter series getting kicked squarely in the gonads by the boot of public opinion yet again. After the runaway success of my first novel Harry Potter vs the Pissed Off Christians, keep your eyes peeled for my forthcoming follow up work Harry Potter vs the Pissed Off Trannies.
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6th February 2023, 08:58 AM | #2886 |
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As even one of the most fervent believers in "cancel culture" now agrees that his own examples disprove his claims, I maintain hope that other reactionaries will stop whining about their privileged icons ever possibly facing watered down consequences of their own choices. Or the 'podcasts should be made forever even if those making them no longer want to do it' thing.
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10th February 2023, 01:04 AM | #2888 |
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So "Opening Arguments" was for the chopping block, and Andrew Torrez was "cancelled" by MSW Media...
Coulda fooled me... https://openargs.com/oa688-oh-no-the-privilege-is-mine/ So much for cancel culture eh d4m10n |
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10th February 2023, 09:03 AM | #2889 |
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He was indeed cancelled from his co-hosting role at MSW, to be replaced soon. The replacement pick is experienced and erudite, so this might not be so bad.
I stand corrected on whether the Opening Arguments podcast will go on...for now. There is at least some reason to believe it will have to rebuild from scratch given a very sharp decline in financial support. ETA: |
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10th February 2023, 10:26 AM | #2895 |
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Here (once again) is the definition of cancel culture:
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10th February 2023, 10:34 AM | #2896 |
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And to fix this, d4m10n proposes...?
You want people to be compelled in some way to continue to support what you like. Here's a better idea: why don't you complain about the main host doing the bad thing that drove away his supporters, rather than complaining that people don't like it when someone does a bad thing. |
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10th February 2023, 11:11 AM | #2898 |
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10th February 2023, 11:12 AM | #2899 |
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Yeah. It's giving something that always been a thing a new, scary name when its used against you. We established 73 pages ago and nobody has argued differently.
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10th February 2023, 11:18 AM | #2900 |
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Pretty much every time you complain that your preferred content isn't making enough money and that's Cancel culture ooooooh.
Let's circle back to my suggestion that you snipped for some (totally obvious) reason: Why don't you complain about the hosts of your shows doing the bad things, rather than the fact that people don't want to pay for the bad things they don't like? |
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Nope, that is actually "Consequence Culture".
Its good to see consequences for people who behave objectionably, such as when they commit sexual harassment, and I fully support those who choose to visit consequences on such people. When businesses pull their advertising on TV shows such as Tucker Carlson's White Power Hour, or Laura Ingraham's The Ingraham Angle, that's not "cancelling" that's "consequences". That's the businesses exercising their right not to have their brand and good name associated with a pair of racist douchebags. The same applies here... those people who no longer support Torrez are exercising their right to impose consequences on him for his behaviour. I support those rights, and I always will. |
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You also claimed that what happened to the adjunct professor at Hamline was an example of “cancel culture”, despite not meeting certain conditions of the aforementioned definition. The term seems quite malleable in your usage of it, to the point of being functionally meaningless.
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10th February 2023, 12:49 PM | #2904 |
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Which conditions were not met?
I've already mentioned "self-restraint in the face of outrage gone viral," and you've already replied to that series of posts, so you can probably guess what my proposal would be. You should write in and have the dictionary editors consider your suggestion; perhaps they were mistaken about which phrase people have been using to describe this phenomenon. |
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What support was withdrawn? How was social media or group shaming involved?
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10th February 2023, 01:17 PM | #2906 |
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Most of them, from what I can see: withdrawing support, social media, group shaming
At what point should the instigators of the bad acts be held to the "self-restraint" standard? I would suggest before they chose to publicly do a bad act which caused people to lose interest in them. But hey, you'd rather blame people for reacting negatively to bad acts than blame the people who actually did the bad acts. |
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From the website of 'The Foundation for Individual Rights & Expression', another campus blasphemy case from Minnesota.
But this time both the both the transgressor and 'victim' are members of what the Woke call the 'Muslim Race'. The cause, the means used to support the Iranian Protests, the result, artworks covered by black curtains so that none may see them and be harmed by the sight. Again this is probably more 'Censorship Culture', but I thought it worth mentioning.
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10th February 2023, 04:23 PM | #2908 |
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We established that the phrase was coined and popularized on black twitter, by people who were not having it used against them. Go back and have a look.
Institutional support in the form of a platform and lectern, not to mention a stipend. I'm unsure about that. While cancel culture is "generally discussed as being performed on social media in the form of group shaming," I would not assume that this is an essential part of the definition. Some cancellations come from within the institutions themselves, as when Slate parted ways with Pesca or when Gimlet did the same with Pinnamaneni & Vogt. I pasted in an entire paragraph from Hamline U. about how they balance academic freedom and the felt need not to give offense. I'd say those are the most relevant parameters in this case, and that the university failed to live up to their own stated principles. |
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The play maker will not be canceled: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/m...-incident/amp/
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"Other Muslim students, not in the course, supported the student, saying the class was an attack on their religion. They demanded that officials take action."
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Meaning simply that the professor didn’t have their contract renewed. There was no widespread withdrawal of support. If anything, the professor gained support from this incident. Agreed?
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"Muslim students...demanded that officials take action," and the officials subsequently dropped the professor. Was this withdrawal of support widespread? I'm not sure why that should matter at this point.
Nope. I think it is just fine for us to discuss such matters on a discussion board. How is it cancel culture to welcome the cancellation of a stage play? Let's go through it step-by-step. 1) Withdrawing support: People hoping to get the production of the play cancelled. 2) Public figure: That would be the playwright in this case, possibly along with his enablers. 3) Something considered offensive: Creating a stage play with only male actors. |
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