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1st February 2023, 02:31 PM | #41 |
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2nd February 2023, 05:55 AM | #48 |
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2nd February 2023, 12:10 PM | #50 |
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Saying that anything sentient is made of fire or air, exposes a sordidly egregious lack of knowledge of Chemistry and the Periodic Table and science altogether.
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By the way, just because jinn are created from fire does not make them like fire. Just as our bodies created from mud/clay do not resemble earth.
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I don't know 'bout you, but I ain't made of no mud, blood.
My mama done made me in her lady-belly, as the good lord intenid, hallyloojeh!. No clay required, no sir, not a speck. A hunnerd p'sint hoomin meat, true an' proper. Thas why the mamas an' aunties do cook up an' eat up the grampy stew when one o' the old'uns karks it. Af'rawl, if'n some pro-teen get wasted, Gawd gets quite irate, or so I'm tole. Praise be, n'such. |
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It sounds like you're preaching dualism. Are you trying to argue that Islam teaches an animistic dualism? Because if you are, your thread title makes no sense. The question asks what part of your being undergoes the afterlife if your body is still in the grave. If what's in the grave is not your essential self, then what is?
Non sequitur. Jinns are mythical creatures, so you can imagine any origin for them that you want. But human beings are not made from clay. This we can observe. |
3rd February 2023, 09:45 AM | #57 |
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But Jinn aren't real.
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Your book is wrong. That is not how humans are made.
I admit that my "lady-belly" description is somewhat less than scientific, but it's still a damn sight closer to reality than your (arguably misogynistic) fairy story. Also, dust is not the same thing as clay and/or mud. |
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3rd February 2023, 06:50 PM | #62 |
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Factually false. We observe that it's factually false. Other Muslims interpret this verse figuratively.
Just as real as the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. You can believe in whatever you want, but it's an objective fact that there is testable evidence for the existence of a human organism and no such evidence for the existence of jinns. |
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That verse does not say dust (غبار)... it says DIRT (تُرَابٍ)... as in the stuff on/in the ground... which is not dust. And other verses say Mud and Clay and Black Mud and Slimy Mud and Sticky Clay.... basically DIRT of different compositions. What is missing in any of those compositions is Hydro-Carbons and Amino-Acids... which is what living things are REALLY made out of in addition to other elements. So nope... this verse proves that either Muhammad was a benighted consummate liar... or that the Demon/Djinn that tricked him had no idea what Biology and Chemistry are... or he deliberately lied to confound and befuddle the poor camel caravan pillager. Wake up man... it is 2023... and you are using the APEX of science to expose around the globe how benighted your religion is. |
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Define "universe"? What is the Arabic word for "universe" a.k.a. "heaven"? And can you cite the verses of the Quran where this word is used?? Are you familiar with the verse
Does rain come down from the "universe"? Is the "universe" a canopy? Are you familiar with thise verse
As you can clearly observe... the Quran belies your assertion.... will you ever admit your error??? . |
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The question seems at its core identical to the teletransporter question in philosophy. If a perfect duplicate of you including all memories is created in another location, is it okay if the original you is destroyed at the same time? Some (including myself) have argued that the result would be the same partially illusory continuity of conscious experience we commonly experience anyhow, and that they would be willing to use the transporter (at least, in the hypothetical case where it functions with perfect reliability and accuracy). Others of course disagree, and also present strong arguments (e.g. that the creation of a duplicate is irrelevant to the original individual who is killed in the process). Neither side of that argument requires a migrating soul to justify it, which Emre's position happens to coincide with. In most religious narratives of resurrection or afterlife, a migrating soul is assumed, which does make the scenario different from the teletransporter ones. If we assume no migrating soul and the resurrecting deity Emre depicts, the same way we assume the perfect teletransporter in philosophical arguments, then sure, I'd have no trouble accepting resurrection on those terms. (One difference from the teletransporter scenarios is that while using the device is usually assumed to be voluntary, my present self cannot opt out of dying eventually in any case.) The real question is, which new material incarnation in another universe would I prefer to be re-created in: the one that contains no devout Muslims, or the one that contains only devout Muslims? And that question isn't difficult at all. |
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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