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28th September 2009, 04:05 PM | #1 |
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Nobody has got ghost, according to Quran.
Unlike the traditional Islamic doctrine which is under the influence of sects and hadith fabrications, in the real Islamic doctrine of the Quran people have NO ghosts/ souls/ spirits. People do NOT have a divine component, a soul, a spirit nor a ghost.
Everything created in the universe is material, physical and real, NOT an illusion. (for example the first man Adam was made from clay element and the jinn was made from fire element) Heaven and Hell are NOT mental delusions. They are “physical” places created in another universe. Unfortunately, terms such as soul- spirit (an immortal divine component, a ghost that can exist on its own without the body even after death) have succeed to enter Islam due to wrong translations -which are made under the influence of hadith fabrications- and Islamic mysticism (sufism). But in the original text of the Quran (Arabic version), they are NOT available. In the Quran, people have “nafs”, which is the equivalent of “life energy”, “ego”, “character”. People are born, they die and they will be “physically” recreated in the Hereafter: Does the human being think that We will not gather his bones? Indeed, We were able to make his fingertips (The Resurrection, 75: 3-4) As also can be seen in the verses, people do NOT have souls/ spirits, they only have “nefs”, which dies together with the bodily functions. And as again can be understood from the verses “most” of the people will be recreated in the Judgment Day. We use the word “most” because there are some exceptions. The Quran gives the examples of very meritorious people, such as martyrs or prophets and on the other edge some deadly sinners, such as the Pharaoh who committed outrage to his people. These exceptional people have already started to reap what they have sown. They are either rewarded in Heaven (physically) or punished in Hell (physically). Examples to the righteous who go to Heaven immediately after their death: · Do not count that those who are killed in the sake of God are dead. No, they are alive at their Lord receiving provisions. Happy with what God has granted them from His favor, and they rejoice for those who have yet to follow them. There is no fear over them nor do they grieve. (The Family of Imran, 3: 169-170) · A man came running from the farthest part of the city, saying: "O my people, follow the messengers. Follow those who do not ask you for any wage, and are guided. Why should I not serve the One who initiated me, and to Him is your ultimate return? Shall I take gods besides Him? If the Gracious intends any harm for me, their intercession cannot help me in the least, nor can they save me. Then I would be clearly astray. I have acknowledged your Lord, so listen to me! It was said, "Enter Paradise." He said "Oh, how I wish my people only knew of what my Lord has forgiven me, and made me of the honored ones."We did not send down upon his people after him soldiers from the sky; for there was no need to send them down. For all it took was one scream, whereupon they were stilled. (36:20-29) Example to the disbelievers who committed “deadly” sins and tyranny: · So God protected him from the evil of what they schemed, while the people of Pharaoh have incurred the worst retribution. The fire, which they will be exposed to morning and evening, and on the day when the moment is established: "Admit the people of Pharaoh into the most severe of the retribution." (The Believer, 40: 45-46) And the following verses refer to the common/ordinary people, possibly the majority of the disbelievers: · The horn will be blown, whereupon they will rise from the graves rushing towards their Lord. They will say, "Woe to us. Who has resurrected us from our resting place? This is what the Gracious had promised. The messengers were truthful!" (Ya sin, 36: 51-52) In the Quran the word “Spirit” only refers to the “Holy Ghost/Spirit” and to the messages It brought. For example: We gave Moses the book, and after him, We sent the messengers. Later We gave Jesus son of Mary the clear proofs, and We supported Him with the Holy Spirit. Is it that every time a messenger comes to you with what your minds do not desire, you become arrogant? A group of them you deny, and a group of them you kill! (2:87) Such messengers, We have preferred some to others; some of them talked to God, and He raised some of them in ranks, and We gave Jesus son of Mary the proofs and We supported him with the Holy Spirit. Had God wished, the people after them would not have fought after the proofs had come to them, but they disputed, some of them acknowledged and some of them did not appreciate. Had God wished they would not have fought, but God does whatever He wishes. (2:253) God said, "O Jesus son of Mary, recall My blessings upon you and your mother that I supported you with the Holy Spirit; you spoke to the people in the cradle and in old age; and I taught you the book and the wisdom, and the Torah, and the Injeel; and you would create from clay the shape of a bird, then blow into it and it becomes a bird by My leave; and you heal the blind and the leper by My leave; and you brought out the dead by My leave. I have restrained the Children of Israel from you, that you came to them with proofs; but those who rejected amongst them said, "This is an obvious magic!" (5:110) He sends down the angels with the Spirit by His command upon whom He wishes of His servants: "That you shall warn that there is no god but I, so be aware of Me." (16:2) They ask you concerning the Spirit. Say, "The Spirit is from the command of my Lord, and the knowledge you were given was but very little.” (17:85) It was sent down with the trusted Spirit. (26:193) Possessor of the highest ranks, the One with the Throne. He sends the Spirit with His command upon whom He wills from His servants, so that they may warn of the day of Summoning. (40:15) You will not find any people who acknowledge God and the Last day befriending those who oppose God and His messenger, even if they were their parents, or their children, or their siblings, or their tribe. For these, He decrees trust into their hearts, and supports them with a Spirit from Him, and He admits them into paradises with rivers flowing beneath, wherein they will abide. God is pleased with them, and they are pleased with Him. These are the party of God. Most assuredly, the party of God are the winners. (58:22) The day when the Spirit and the angels stand in line, none will speak unless the Gracious permits him and he speaks what is true. (78:38) Some dangers of thinking that people have spirits/ souls: - Having a belief that people have spirits often leads up to the sanctification of the humans. It leads people to associate himself / herself with God. - It also contributes to building up a strong belief of spiritual evolution. As a result of this false belief, in order to evolve spiritually, people praise suffering and pain. When they encounter a disastrous situation, instead of getting out of it, they welcome it and take it as a reward. However, according to the Quran, the bad things that come to us are either to test us or a result of our sins, our own malignancy. - Spiritualists regard life as a school where we, as students, learn and mature. These people maintain that suffering / pain is a must for spiritual evolution. Thus, it turns the evil into hidden heroes having a special (key) role in the spiritual evolution process. Those who can read between the lines can easily realize that it glorifies the evil (even Satan). Also spiritualists tolerate the immoral behaviors of the ones who are not spiritually evolved (!) - Belief in the spirits opens the door to reincarnation, which means that we will be different creatures (different gender, different personality, different appearance etc.) in our other lives (!) In other words, it means that a person that dies is gone forever, which is actually a very materialistic point of view again if you read between the lines. - Some spiritualists think that death is something positive as spirit confined to the physical body will be set free and unite with God and become one. This deviant view also praises suicides. - People, who believe that people have spirits, mostly swap the belief for the Judgment Day with reincarnation and thus, they reject the belief in reward and punishment in the afterlife and eliminate Heaven and Hell, attributing symbolic meanings to both. In addition, they adopt ascetic lifestyles and scorn the beauties, provisions God gives us (in this world and in the other world). - People who believe in the spirits are more likely to be cheated by the jinns. |
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So we are supposed to be asleep until getting resurrected on judgement day? sounds like a very painful process..ouchies.
All the people who claim they see dead people are really seeing jinns? Those pesky little critters! |
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1- Spirit is revelation,
2- holy spirit (the angel messenger conveying the message, revelation angel) 3- and revelation book (Quran). Spirit= revelation. Let's give examples. 1- Revelation Quran [15:29] "So when I perfect him, and blow of My Spirit in him, you shall fall prostrate to him." 2- Revelation Angel (Cebrail). Quran 19:17. Thus, she kept herself in seclusion from people. Then We sent to her Our spirit, and it appeared before her in the form of a perfect man. 3- Revelation Book/Quran Quran 42:52 And thus We have revealed to you an inspiration of Our command. You did not know what is the Book or [what is] faith, but We have made it a light by which We guide whom We will of Our servants. And indeed, [O Muhammad], you guide to a straight path - spirit = revelation. And basic verses in our body like Adam: Quran 30:30So direct your face toward the religion, inclining to truth. [Adhere to] the fitrah of Allah upon which He has created [all] people. No change should there be in the creation of Allah . That is the correct religion, but most of the people do not know. We are obliged to direct the truth through the verses inside. |
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What does the Koran say about (thread) necromancy?
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These verses prove that Allah is a disgusting tyrant and an unjust and unfair despot and a cheating lying racist. These verses prove that Allah is a licentious lascivious RAPIST and a disgusting monster. And these verses clinch it... your Allah is an IMBECILE on top of being a sordid fetid filth. Yup... even further proof of the lies and mephitic stench that is Allah. Yup... you are peddling the truth indeed... that Allah is a cesspool of pernicious feces... THANKS... you did a good job of exposing the wriggling maggots feeding on the pile of putrid rotten scum that is your Allah. And thanks for all those verses that definitively expose the sordidness of Allah. |
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It's been said of the heathen Northmen that "they thought everything was made of something." Thus, e.g., in one of their tales a huge demonic otter reared up out of the central fireplace in someone's hall, and people had to defeat it by hitting it over the head with benches and stools, eventually driving it back down into -- well, wherever it came from.
To good Christians, that story made no sense. They knew that you had to summon a priest to drive out demons and haunts and pukas and such by uttering holy words. A mere physical assault was useless! Thus Emre and I conclude that the North men were pure, unpolluted Muslims who kept the old time religion! They're all up in Paradise by now, rogering virgins* and imbibing the celestial wine that maketh not drunk. Selah. *Or raisins, depending on the translation. Don't hadith me, I'm doing the best I can. |
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It takes a special kind of talent, to trigger atheists with the claim that there's no such thing as a soul.
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AIUI there's no such thing as a ghost in Christianity either. The dead remain in their graves until Judgement Day, when they will be physically resurrected to inhabit the Kingdom of Heaven which will be established right here on earth (unless they don't meet the grade and get tossed into a pit of fire instead, of course). So Christians who tell their children that their deceased Granny is in Heaven and watching over them right now are not following the teachings of their church.
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One of the amazing things about the modern age is how easily one can revisit nonsensical religious ideas that are nearly fourteen years old and readily determine that these ideas are still just as nonsensical now as they were back then.
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And In the Qur'an, the spirit word is passed in singular form. The word "ervah", which is a plural of spirit, never goes in verses. This gives us another proof of the absence of souls.
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@Emre_1974tr How can our bodies physically exist in another universe while simultaneously doing duty as worm food in this one?
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So... no... you are wrong... . |
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This completely misses the point.
Yes, when I trim my fingernails I discard a portion of my body. They don't belong to me anymore in that sense, but there's still a very large part of me that still remains. It doesn't belong to me; it is me. You're being asked whether you, as a Muslim, believe in animistic dualism. Your subject line is trying to say that you don't. But if all of you is in a grave decomposing after you die, what part of you is dealing with the afterlife? |
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Emre is thinking of efreeti, which are from the elemental plane of fire. Djinn are from the elemental plane of air.
Of course, there's also the dao, from the elemental plane of earth, and the marid, from the elemental plane of water. That rounds out the class of elementals known as "genies". |
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This discussion with Emre is, frankly, closer to a discussion of the abilities and powers of the characters in a game of Warcraft, or Dungeons and Dragons. It's not even "religion" any more.
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I read up a bit on hindu and buddhist religions and this type of belief is common. I didn't know it spread into islam too.
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So this particular superstition is clearly rooted in the early, erroneous, belief that everything was made from four elements: fire, air, earth and water. But we now know that there are over a hundred elements, proving that the Qu'ran does not contain scientific knowledge that was not yet discovered ...
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'Nother jumprope song.
Jeenie In the bottle Jeenie In the glass Jeenie In the bathtub Washin' His Yass yass yass. My sister Knows a freedie My auntie Knows a dao Mama knows A marid Oh boy and HOW! Burpee Shave |
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The Chinese belief was in five elements: water, metal, fire, earth, and
WOOD. What'll we call the djin of wood? |
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