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3rd February 2020, 09:36 PM | #41 |
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So the app that's apparently screwing up is called "Defending Digital Democracy".
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538 is smart, with no number to report they are having fun describing the desperate attepmtso the network hosts and talking head to fill time.
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CNN livestream showed Biden, then when he finished, cut to Warren. When Warren finished, the anchor mentioned party officials arranging a conference call and then a segue to roll Biden's speech a second time. I did a search right then for "Bernie Iowa live" and saw the Guardian cover what seemed like maybe the final 3rd of a speech.
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Basically everyone gave their 1st place version of their speech. Buttigieg teased/annoyed many journalists teasing out pictures of inconclusive tallys from unknown stages of various sites for a while.
I think Yang had a fun "inside joke" moment with some reporters asking how he feels about his night by throwing his hands up and shouting "victory!" |
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CNN didn't broadcast Bernie so all the Bernie Bros will be shrieking about the conspiracy, but...
Bernie is a Sixties Radical who hasn't changed in 40 years The Bernie Bros believe in the Lost Tribe theory of elections They are just like Trump supporters. They live in their fantasy world. Also, Trump will win! |
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3rd February 2020, 11:59 PM | #49 |
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Nothing like giving the Trump campaign ammunition. This statement coming from them: “Democrats are stewing in a caucus mess of their own creation with the sloppiest train wreck in history. It would be natural for people to doubt the fairness of the process. And these are the people who want to run our entire health care system? Tonight President Trump posted a record performance in the well-run GOP Iowa caucuses with record turnout for an incumbent.” Of course Trump was the only Republican they could caucus for. Did he come in first or last? |
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Of course, Trump will be pissing himself at this. It will just play out as Democratic Party incompetence.
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Part of the way they held onto the first in the nation status was by maintaining the caucus. New Hampshire actually created a law that they must have the first primary. In 2008 Florida and Michigan tried to jump the gun, and ended up having their delegation decertified (they were later recertified, but given only 1/2 vote apiece).
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This is kind of depressing.
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Maybe this massive screw-up will catalyze abandoning the Iowa caucus. The caucus method is at this point willfully regressive. The massive time commitment ensures reduced voter participation, and the process of literally counting and recounting heads means unreliable and slow reporting of results.
Iowa should go to a primary system, preferably a ranked choice primary system, or they should not be the first to vote state. |
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From Jared Holt, journalist at Right Wing Watch
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So did the Democrats have the Benny Hill music playing live or do we need to add it in post?
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4th February 2020, 07:42 AM | #58 |
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Let's not do the hasty generalizationWP thing just yet.
Iowa is just one (smallish, oldish, rather whitish) state. The vast majority of Democrats live and organize elsewhere. |
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"Iowa? However said Iowa was important!? Show me were anyone said Iowa was important!" revisionist history it is.
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Yeah, we're not gonna save face with this much egg on it.
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Video appears to show a precinct in Des Moine deciding a delegate tie between Sanders and Buttigeig with a coin flip.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...020/index.html |
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What does the outcome of the coin flip actually determine? How to appropriate a single delegate when there are an odd number or something?
And, if so, what is the alternate solution? Cut the delegates in half? (delegates are actual people, of course, who go on to vote in the next round) |
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If it's a tie then there's not many solutions.
We've used straws and coin flips here in the UK before now if an election is tied. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-eng...n-vote-is-tied |
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This screw up was largely the result on a very poor attempt to modernize the extremely low-tech caucus system.
A very robust alternative exists. A primary system with paper ballots and automated counting, with hand counting as a backup. If Iowa wants to maintain the "nonviable candidates can re-allocate their votes" system, the supposed benefit of a caucus, then they can implement a ranked choice voting system. There's no reason that people need to spend an entire evening standing around in some gym to express their voting intentions. |
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Why?
There are a set number of delegates, they get proportioned in a specific way. There is a chance that two candidates will have an equal number of supporters. If the delegates is odd, there has to be a method of deciding who gets the extra delegate. It's not absurd, it's math. I also like the idea of the percentile dice, so everyone has a chance, but a coin flip is as good as anything, and better than, again, your non-solution. Yeah, yeah, yeah, forget the caucus and make it a primary. Well it isn't, so you have to deal with the situation you have. |
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Seriously, what is the holdup now?
Even assuming the caucus app has catastrophically failed, enough time has passed to have done this the old fashioned way, either by hand delivering the completed forms or by calling them in. |
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