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4th February 2020, 03:51 PM | #121 |
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https://features.desmoinesregister.c...lts-alignment/
Buttigieg First Alignment: 23,666 Final Alignment: 27,030 Delegates: 363 Sanders First Alignment: 27,088 Final Alignment: 28,220 Delegates: 338 You gotta love our voting systems in the US. |
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This site still has only 62% of results and what you have (rounded) as delegates they have as "SDE", whatever that is, with three digits behind the decimal point. edit: Iowa certainly doesn't have 701 delegates, does it? |
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4th February 2020, 04:31 PM | #127 |
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Low turnout, that is a bad sign for the Democrats, whoever gets up.
Trump can run a targeted campaign in the swing states to get his special interest groups out to vote. If the Democrats can't match that then Trump is easily heading for a second term. There is a high expectation that Ginsburg will retire from the Supreme Court and the Evangelicals and other conservative Christians will want to make sure of that vacancy being filled by a conservative judge, whatever they think of Trump. |
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Biden was lucky to get out of Iowa with a fourth; Klobuchar did have a strong finish. Mayor Pete may eke out a victory in delegates despite losing on the final alignment (so far), but the bookies are not impressed. His odds of winning the nomination are currently at 5.1%.
You can see at the Des Moines Register site the effect of the final alignment. The top three (Buttigieg, Sanders and Warren) all increased their vote totals, while the rest lost voters. Apparently only 3,741 out of the so far 111 thousand left the caucus when their first choice was declared not viable. Buttigieg did the best in picking up voters on the final alignment; he gained 3200 voters so far, compared to 1000 for Bernie and 1300 for Warren. |
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4th February 2020, 05:08 PM | #132 |
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You are against lawsuits?
I agree there are lots of frivolous lawsuits;but the way to handle them is to have them thrown out of court at a early stage. Taking away the right to sue for damages is just plain wrong. And I think for the Iowa Democrats to sue for damages here is 100 percent justified. If there was even a case of a product not performing and hurting it's user it's this one. |
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That is another thing I don't like about the caucus system:even without the software fiasco it is so damn confusing.
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4th February 2020, 05:26 PM | #134 |
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No, it's not.
There are only 41 of those. See post 110 for a relatively brief & hopefully accurate synopsis of this bizarre six-step process. |
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I kind of like the way the reveal turned out, actually. They had a short press conference to apologize for the "glitch", then posted the Caucus stats. That's it! No micro-monitoring of practically each single vote from each single district and the accompanying speculation. (I'm still wondering how they filled all that time with ZERO stats since last night...)
Of course, it's been several hours now and we're still left with the one stat board. It's only a matter of time before mediaheads start discussing the font used in order to get some different angle on it. |
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Was the problem the software itself or users who were unfamiliar with it trying to use it for the first time on election night?
I heard that some people were having trouble downloading the software, which made me think WTF. Why wasn't it downloaded and installed sooner? Why hadn't the users already logged in and tested its functionality before election night? Also there was no training on how to use it. Anyone who's ever used new software knows that there's usually a learning curve. It's not just the software itself you have to test; the users need to practice using it before they need to use it for real.
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Usually I think software makers protect themselves from liability for flaws in their software with user license agreements that say the software is offered "as is" and isn't guaranteed to do anything in particular. |
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By some kind of funny math process, the actual number of voters doesn't count. They are converted into SDEs (state delegate equivalents) and then by another math process the SDEs are converted into national delegates (only 41 for Iowa). The state delegates are delegates to the state convention, and from there it it whittled down to 41 national delegates to be sent to the national convention.
Right now, according to Google if you Google "iowa results" it says 10 national delegates for Buttigieg, 10 for Sanders, 4 for Warren, and zero for all the others, but they aren't done counting so that's probably why that only adds up to 24. |
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Despite your totally ridiculous over the top and childish retort, you did imply that only the Dems use the caucus in Iowa when you said "It's not our voting system. It's the voting system of Iowa Democrats, for indicating their preference."
Why you had such a juvenile response to my simply pointing out the fact that Iowa Republicans use it, too, I can only guess. |
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From what I'm seeing in all likelihood it won't make a difference in the final math (the delegates sent to the national convention). It'll be less than a rounding error probably. But, you never know. When was the last time the result of an election hinged on one single vote?
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Voting systems all over the country are stupid. From states to federal, from caucuses to FPTP. Then you have the disaster that is electronic voting machines.
And yes I'm forced to live with the terrible results and politicians that such systems produce and the awful effects we see from them. |
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I have absolutely no problem with the caucus system and thinks it works very well. It's the automation that I don't trust.
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I have no idea. Having been involved in caucus held in my state, I know that isn't how they worked in Washington. The caucuses elected delegates to attend the state convention and the delegates at the State convention decided the allotment of delegates to the National convention. Horse trading can and does take place. I don't like the primary system. I'd rather return to caucuses in all the states.
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That is not correct. You can view the rules here:
https://acc99235-748f-4706-80f5-4b87...985876cce8.pdf The fractions are rounded up or down based on whether the fraction is more or less than .5. But then you can end up with more delegates assigned than there are delegates, or to few. If there are too many assigned, somebody has to lose one. The person with the smallest fraction that was rounded up loses a delegate. If there are to few, the person with the largest fraction that was not rounded up gets the extra delegate. The coin flip comes into play when a delegate has to be removed or added and there is a tie in the fraction. |
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Well that's all perfectly sensible then.
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Representing voters who've actually been paying any attention?
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Media heads are still waiting for an update to precinct reporting. It's still at 62%. The same stat page has been up for hours. My guess is that this last one will be the Final, which is why it's taking so long.
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I almost referred to that exception myself just to say it's obviously an exception, but figured it wasn't really needed because everybody here's already familiar with the concept so it would just be an insult to everybody's intelligence.
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