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4th February 2020, 10:12 PM | #161 |
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(Also, we don't know that she hasn't been paying attention... to issues & policies.)
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4th February 2020, 10:37 PM | #162 |
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Maybe this FUBAR will make some counties work harder to make sure that the actual elections run smoothly.
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4th February 2020, 10:45 PM | #163 |
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Wow. I think the primaries serve a purpose (to see if the candidates can actually get people to vote for them), but I am 100% in agreement that the primary process should inform the convention, but not rule it. Still, never going to happen.
But like D4m10n, I am curious how this reconciles with your other beliefs on the electoral college and the Senate. |
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5th February 2020, 05:12 AM | #164 |
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5th February 2020, 07:24 AM | #169 |
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We can perch upon our moral and political mountains and argue from them all day, but nothing will change the fact that a system, regardless of its qualities, where a tipping point of people aren't happy with how the decision is reached is only slightly better at best then a system where a tipping point of people aren't happy with the decision being reached.
A smoke and mirrors act that gets the "right" answer isn't ideal. |
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5th February 2020, 07:39 AM | #170 |
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Call it the Martin Gardner in me, but there is no single "best" way to determine the winner in a multi-candidate runnoff.
You define the terms ahead of time and then live with the results. That's what has been done. The only actual issue in this case is that the results have not been reported fast enough to satisfy the 24 cable news channels. It's true, the results have not been reported in a timely fashion. That's only as much of a problem as you make it. |
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5th February 2020, 08:39 AM | #172 |
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New Hampshire state law requires that its primary must be the first in the nation.
I've been AWOL.
I'm just jumping into this thread now, so if this has been discussed, I'm sorry. Iowa state law requires that the caucuses take place at least eight days before any other nominating contest. New Hampshire state law requires that its primary must be the first in the nation. What if Ohio were to pass a law requiring that its primary must be the first in the nation. Or North Carolina? Or Texas? From my basic knowledge of things, can't Ohio pass a law requiring it to be first and then tell NH to take its "we're first" law and to cram it because NH laws can't influence how Ohio works, right? It might be tradition, but tradition is peer pressure exuded on you by dead people. |
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How can a state pass a law requiring other states to do something?
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//misread something and my reply made no sense//
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Well yeah but you don't have to follow that too far to see the inherent absurdity.
If three men who work at an office all declare rules for themselves that they have to be the first person to walk through the front door in the morning... it doesn't take a genius to see how that isn't going to work even if none of the 3 try to tell the other 2 what they have to do. |
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I have concerns with "privatized" control of political participation. Any institution the state gives control in this arena over to needs to be held to the same standard we would demand if the government itself were overseeing the process.
My understanding is they do nominate by election. How delegates that vote are determined and in which ways they can do so are highly controlled, however. In a sense, the delegate voting is a lot like the electoral college. At the direction of the candidate they are pledged to, they can vote another way. |
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There are dozens of political parties. But how each chooses their candidates varies by party and state. Most, you have to belong to the party and must attend meetings and perhaps statewide conventions. And the process has changed dramatically and continues to change so perhaps I've overstated how undemocratic it is today.
I'm just not a fan of the primary process today. It's more about money and advertising then it is about deciding what is best for the country and who the best candidate is. |
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Just pure curiosity around the idea of "We have a law that makes us first!" and how all that works.
And I was also thinking about reductio ad absurdum with the pissing matches that could ensue if Michigan tries to trump NH. And thanks for explaining how Ohio can schedule itself before NH, but then NH will be forced to move their primary. |
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The results page is now at 75%.
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5th February 2020, 01:14 PM | #196 |
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I would say have all the primaries on one day, but I don't see that happening.
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5th February 2020, 01:23 PM | #197 |
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When you have a primary with a more than 2 or 3 candidates, and all votes were held on the same day, it would be very rare for one person to obtain a majority (or even a strong plurality). Thus, you might end up with various back-room deals in order for the various candidates to consolidate support.
You would need some sort of tie-breaking mechanism (perhaps a series of run-off votes, and/or a ranked ballot). But since candidates compete for delegates at a state level, any sort of run-off or ranked ballot will be complex. |
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Getting on the ballot has to be an open process. Fill out form XCYA164b and pay a nominal fee or gather x signatures.
Getting that party's winning vote probably requires going to meetings and knowing them (small parties, that is). If you actually want to attain office. You appear on the ballot as a D or R and give 12-14 hours of life a day to meeting a few key players and amassing a war chest to buy ads. Needing to be a declared party member does have impact where primaries are closed. |
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