IS Forum
Forum Index Register Members List Events Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Help

Go Back   International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » USA Politics
 


Welcome to the International Skeptics Forum, where we discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly but lively way. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest, which means you are missing out on discussing matters that are of interest to you. Please consider registering so you can gain full use of the forum features and interact with other Members. Registration is simple, fast and free! Click here to register today.
Tags 2020 elections , Democratic primaries , iowa caucus , political predictions , political speculation , presidential candidates

Reply
Old 10th February 2020, 08:59 PM   #321
Meadmaker
Guest
 
Meadmaker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 29,033
Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
Not really, because in order to do so, you have to come up with a clear definition of "democratic," and that just isn't possible.

Martin Gardner used to write a lot about this. In a multi-person run off, there is no inherently "correct" way to select the winner
Once I read about "the election theorem", I spent a lot less time thinking about how to run the perfect election.

I still think there are better ways, but I know there's no perfect way.

I think in modern America, though, our primary system is particularly bad because of the tendency to push people toward the extremes.
Meadmaker is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th February 2020, 10:45 PM   #322
angrysoba
Philosophile
 
angrysoba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Osaka, Japan
Posts: 35,981
I think Sanders is likely to keep chugging along picking up delegates fairly consistently while three moderates - Biden, Buttigieg and Klobuchar split the moderate vote. Of course, if the moderates and progressives pick a winner now and the others in their camp drop out then they should clean up, right?
__________________
Слава Україні! **** Putin!
angrysoba is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 01:07 AM   #323
Venom
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: United States
Posts: 6,332
the number of people who turned out for the Sanders and Trump rallies is amazing.
Venom is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 05:14 AM   #324
TurkeysGhost
Penultimate Amazing
 
TurkeysGhost's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 35,043
Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
I think Sanders is likely to keep chugging along picking up delegates fairly consistently while three moderates - Biden, Buttigieg and Klobuchar split the moderate vote. Of course, if the moderates and progressives pick a winner now and the others in their camp drop out then they should clean up, right?
It's unclear if any other moderate would have the same level of support with Southern black voters that Biden enjoys.

It's also unclear if all these moderate supporters are actually driven primarily by ideological moderation. I'm sure a lot, if not a majority, are, but many may vote for other reasons. I'd be interested to see some polling among the candidates on who they say as their #2 preferred candidate.
__________________
Previously known as SuburbanTurkey
TurkeysGhost is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 07:07 AM   #325
Distracted1
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: No longer Philadelphia :(
Posts: 5,770
Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
I think Sanders is likely to keep chugging along picking up delegates fairly consistently while three moderates - Biden, Buttigieg and Klobuchar split the moderate vote. Of course, if the moderates and progressives pick a winner now and the others in their camp drop out then they should clean up, right?
Sanders might wind up convincing the moderates that a candidate more to the left can win in the General.
Then the moderates will switch their votes to Warren
__________________
The man with one watch knows what time it is, the man with two watches is never sure.
Distracted1 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 07:48 AM   #326
angrysoba
Philosophile
 
angrysoba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Osaka, Japan
Posts: 35,981
Originally Posted by Distracted1 View Post
Sanders might wind up convincing the moderates that a candidate more to the left can win in the General.
Then the moderates will switch their votes to Warren
Yeah, that wouldn't be such a bad outcome.
__________________
Слава Україні! **** Putin!
angrysoba is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 08:06 AM   #327
JoeMorgue
Self Employed
Remittance Man
 
JoeMorgue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Florida
Posts: 46,649
I wish it was more likely then not that we would have a feel for likely VP candidates before we basically had to choose who the candidate was going to be.

I think most people on the Left would be at least fairly okay with ticket split between a moderate/centrist and an idealist/progressive and would even out and sand down some of the internal squabbling.

Sanders and Warren ran on a ticket before.
__________________
"If everyone in the room says water is wet and I say it's dry that makes me smart because at least I'm thinking for myself!" - The Proudly Wrong.

Last edited by JoeMorgue; 11th February 2020 at 08:08 AM.
JoeMorgue is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 08:09 AM   #328
TurkeysGhost
Penultimate Amazing
 
TurkeysGhost's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 35,043
Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I wish it was more likely then not that we would have a feel for likely VP candidates before we basically had to choose who the candidate was going to be.

I think most people on the Left would be at least fairly okay with ticket split between a moderate/centrist and an idealist/progressive and would even out and sand down some of the internal squabbling.

Sanders and Warren ran on a ticket before.
VP isn't really a meaningful role unless the President dies or something like that. I get that selecting a VP can have a strategic value, like trying to drum up support from a certain state or certain segment of the electorate, but the VP doesn't meaningfully shape the agenda of the white house unless the President allows it.
__________________
Previously known as SuburbanTurkey
TurkeysGhost is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 08:21 AM   #329
JoeMorgue
Self Employed
Remittance Man
 
JoeMorgue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Florida
Posts: 46,649
Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
VP isn't really a meaningful role unless the President dies or something like that. I get that selecting a VP can have a strategic value, like trying to drum up support from a certain state or certain segment of the electorate, but the VP doesn't meaningfully shape the agenda of the white house unless the President allows it.
Oh I agree it's purely symbolic, but sometimes symbolism is useful.

But, to be fair, I've been wrong on this in the past. I would have put good money on us having a black VP to... ease people into it before having a black president, and before Obama would have said the same thing about a female or gay President but now I'm far less sure.

Again we're like at 99.99% for Presidents/VPs all being old white dudes and it's really hard to get any kind of data from a random sampling of "One exception that we've only had one data point after so we have zero way of knowing if it was an anomoly, a trend, a red herring, or a sign of things to come" so... *shrugs* who knows?

So I could be talking out of my ass. I still lean toward thinking that the VP candidates would be a nice piece of information for people to have before the decision is firmly made though.

The one thing we generally don't talk about when picking candidates and is, in my opinion, one of the biggest factors in how well they are going to pick people for key positions, because it's just one of those things that is very hard to judge from this point of view and point in time.

Who's gonna be Candidate X's VP? Their Secretary of State? Who would be their hypothetical SCOTUS pick? Their thises and thats? Can you see this person being approved by the Senate? These are questions I think there is valid, useful information in that don't get asked of them a lot.

A Candidate who (all other base factors being met obviously) who went "Even though I am in competition with these people for the nomination, I recognize that they offer a lot as evidence by their strong support from other people, so even nominate I will discuss potential roles in my future administration with them if they are open to the possibility" would impress me a great deal.

Sanders, Biden, Warren, etc... they don't necessarily have to be President to do good and be useful.
__________________
"If everyone in the room says water is wet and I say it's dry that makes me smart because at least I'm thinking for myself!" - The Proudly Wrong.
JoeMorgue is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 08:44 AM   #330
Distracted1
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: No longer Philadelphia :(
Posts: 5,770
Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Oh I agree it's purely symbolic, but sometimes symbolism is useful.

But, to be fair, I've been wrong on this in the past. I would have put good money on us having a black VP to... ease people into it before having a black president, and before Obama would have said the same thing about a female or gay President but now I'm far less sure.

Again we're like at 99.99% for Presidents/VPs all being old white dudes and it's really hard to get any kind of data from a random sampling of "One exception that we've only had one data point after so we have zero way of knowing if it was an anomoly, a trend, a red herring, or a sign of things to come" so... *shrugs* who knows?

So I could be talking out of my ass. I still lean toward thinking that the VP candidates would be a nice piece of information for people to have before the decision is firmly made though.

The one thing we generally don't talk about when picking candidates and is, in my opinion, one of the biggest factors in how well they are going to pick people for key positions, because it's just one of those things that is very hard to judge from this point of view and point in time.

Who's gonna be Candidate X's VP? Their Secretary of State? Who would be their hypothetical SCOTUS pick? Their thises and thats? Can you see this person being approved by the Senate? These are questions I think there is valid, useful information in that don't get asked of them a lot.

A Candidate who (all other base factors being met obviously) who went "Even though I am in competition with these people for the nomination, I recognize that they offer a lot as evidence by their strong support from other people, so even nominate I will discuss potential roles in my future administration with them if they are open to the possibility" would impress me a great deal.

Sanders, Biden, Warren, etc... they don't necessarily have to be President to do good and be useful.
Biden is only useful inasmuch as he might be the most likely to defeat Trump.(although that might be changing)
Even if he were elected, I suspect his VP would be doing most of the heavy lifting in his administration.

Outside that limited role, he should definitely be in his rocking chair boring his grandchildren with tales of the old days.
__________________
The man with one watch knows what time it is, the man with two watches is never sure.
Distracted1 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 09:16 AM   #331
Trebuchet
Penultimate Amazing
 
Trebuchet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Port Townsend, Washington
Posts: 39,057
Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
VP isn't really a meaningful role unless the President dies or something like that. I get that selecting a VP can have a strategic value, like trying to drum up support from a certain state or certain segment of the electorate, but the VP doesn't meaningfully shape the agenda of the white house unless the President allows it.
Two Words: Dick Cheney. It took GWB about seven years to get out from under his thumb.
__________________
Cum catapultae proscribeantur tum soli proscripti catapultas habeant.
Trebuchet is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 09:40 AM   #332
TurkeysGhost
Penultimate Amazing
 
TurkeysGhost's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 35,043
Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Two Words: Dick Cheney. It took GWB about seven years to get out from under his thumb.
I mean, GWB had the power. He enabled Dick Cheney to run things from the VP desk, but that was W's choice.
__________________
Previously known as SuburbanTurkey
TurkeysGhost is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 09:57 AM   #333
d4m10n
Penultimate Amazing
 
d4m10n's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Mounts Farm
Posts: 11,901
We're in the middle of a massive KlobuCHARGE in NH



https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/1227103902241296384

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...e-primary.html
__________________
“Knowledge is Power; France is Bacon.”

Last edited by d4m10n; 11th February 2020 at 09:58 AM.
d4m10n is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 11:06 AM   #334
Meadmaker
Guest
 
Meadmaker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 29,033
Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Oh I agree it's purely symbolic, but sometimes symbolism is useful.

But, to be fair, I've been wrong on this in the past. I would have put good money on us having a black VP to... ease people into it before having a black president, and before Obama would have said the same thing about a female or gay President but now I'm far less sure.

Again we're like at 99.99% for Presidents/VPs all being old white dudes
I no longer think of all former presidents as old.
Meadmaker is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 11:23 AM   #335
Mumbles
Philosopher
 
Mumbles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 8,726
Bernie Sanders has this one, finished.

There are two local candidates, Bernie, and Elizabeth Warren. And if you know anything about New Hampshire, you know this:

They
Hate
Us
Massholes!
Mumbles is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 11:33 AM   #336
Armitage72
Philosopher
 
Armitage72's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 8,185
Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
VP isn't really a meaningful role unless the President dies or something like that. I get that selecting a VP can have a strategic value, like trying to drum up support from a certain state or certain segment of the electorate, but the VP doesn't meaningfully shape the agenda of the white house unless the President allows it.

In 2008, my parents commented that their votes were largely based on the Vice Presidents. They assumed that Obama would be assassinated if he won and McCain was too old and sickly to survive the stress of the job.
Armitage72 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 01:36 PM   #337
JoeMorgue
Self Employed
Remittance Man
 
JoeMorgue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Florida
Posts: 46,649
Biden is skipping New Hampshire, heading to South Carolina to get a headstart there.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...tes/index.html
__________________
"If everyone in the room says water is wet and I say it's dry that makes me smart because at least I'm thinking for myself!" - The Proudly Wrong.
JoeMorgue is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 01:39 PM   #338
TurkeysGhost
Penultimate Amazing
 
TurkeysGhost's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 35,043
Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Biden is skipping New Hampshire, heading to South Carolina to get a headstart there.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...tes/index.html
If polling is to believed, he may not even hit the 15% minimum for delegates in NH. He very well may entering SC with his campaign on life support. He's going to need a spectacular turnaround or I suspect he's done.
__________________
Previously known as SuburbanTurkey
TurkeysGhost is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 01:53 PM   #339
Meadmaker
Guest
 
Meadmaker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 29,033
It occurs to me that there are only two candidates that, for me, don't have really big negatives. The negatives:.

Trump:. If you have to ask...
Bernie: socialist.
Biden: old.
Warren:. Not as socialist as bernie. Not as old as Joe. But enough of each to be bad.
Bloomberg: old guy buying his way in.

That leaves

Buttigieg:. Gay, and only office is mayor of South Bend. Makes me nervous for general election.
Klobuchar:. Practically unknown before election.


So what I'm hoping for is Biden's SC firewall doesn't hold so that Amy and Pete can fight for the middle lane before I have to make up my mind in Michigan.


And in the silver lining department, a lot of Bloomberg's negatives might be positives to some Trump voters. Rich, accused racist, old, New Yorker? What's not to like?
Meadmaker is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 02:37 PM   #340
Venom
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: United States
Posts: 6,332
Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
And in the silver lining department, a lot of Bloomberg's negatives might be positives to some Trump voters. Rich, accused racist, old, New Yorker? What's not to like?
Jealous that he can't buy Trump.
Venom is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 03:20 PM   #341
ahhell
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 6,661
Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
It occurs to me that there are only two candidates that, for me, don't have really big negatives. The negatives:.

Trump:. If you have to ask...
Bernie: Really oldsocialist, and doesn't seem like he changed his mind in 50 years, oddly similar to Trump in many ways.
Biden: Really really old seems even older than he really is.
Warren:. Not as socialist as bernie. and kind of seems like she's probably lying about half of it. Not as old as Joe. But enough of each to be bad.
Bloomberg: old guy buying his way in.

That leaves

Buttigieg:. Gay, and only office is mayor of South Bend. Makes me nervous for general election.
Klobuchar:. Practically unknown before election.


So what I'm hoping for is Biden's SC firewall doesn't hold so that Amy and Pete can fight for the middle lane before I have to make up my mind in Michigan.


And in the silver lining department, a lot of Bloomberg's negatives might be positives to some Trump voters. Rich, accused racist, old, New Yorker? What's not to like?
Other than a few corrections, I generally agree.
ahhell is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 03:52 PM   #342
Trebuchet
Penultimate Amazing
 
Trebuchet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Port Townsend, Washington
Posts: 39,057
Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
It occurs to me that there are only two candidates that, for me, don't have really big negatives. The negatives:.

Trump:. If you have to ask...
Bernie: socialist.
Biden: old.
Warren:. Not as socialist as bernie. Not as old as Joe. But enough of each to be bad.
Bloomberg: old guy buying his way in.

That leaves

Buttigieg:. Gay, and only office is mayor of South Bend. Makes me nervous for general election.
Klobuchar:. Practically unknown before election.


So what I'm hoping for is Biden's SC firewall doesn't hold so that Amy and Pete can fight for the middle lane before I have to make up my mind in Michigan.


And in the silver lining department, a lot of Bloomberg's negatives might be positives to some Trump voters. Rich, accused racist, old, New Yorker? What's not to like?
Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton were practically unknown before the election as well. Both knocked out sitting Republicans.
__________________
Cum catapultae proscribeantur tum soli proscripti catapultas habeant.
Trebuchet is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 07:02 PM   #343
Delphic Oracle
Philosopher
 
Delphic Oracle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 6,415
Steyer dropping out. Apparently not.

He has decent numbers in upcoming states and, along with others dropping out, expect polls to change alignment quite a bit heading towards Nevada/South Carolina.

But really, if you have to put out a clarification that you're not dropping out, it might be time to drop out.

Last edited by Delphic Oracle; 11th February 2020 at 07:26 PM.
Delphic Oracle is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 07:51 PM   #344
Puppycow
Penultimate Amazing
 
Puppycow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Yokohama, Japan
Posts: 28,964
I'm following here because New York Times won't let me see any more articles this month:

https://www.politico.com/2020-electi...new-hampshire/

Bernie winning of course, Pete not far behind in 2nd.
Stronger than expected 3rd place finish for Klobuchar.

Bad night for Liz and Joe.
__________________
A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool.
William Shakespeare
Puppycow is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 08:05 PM   #345
Meadmaker
Guest
 
Meadmaker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 29,033
Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
Bad night for Liz and Joe.
I think both are toast. They won't drop out, but they should.

No way is Liz going to wrest control of the left wing from Bernie, at least not barring another heart attack. As for Biden, he missed his chance in 2016. Time to put out the torch and leave the island.


Of course, Warren might be running for Vice President.....
Meadmaker is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 08:11 PM   #346
Delphic Oracle
Philosopher
 
Delphic Oracle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 6,415
Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
I think both are toast. They won't drop out, but they should.

No way is Liz going to wrest control of the left wing from Bernie, at least not barring another heart attack. As for Biden, he missed his chance in 2016. Time to put out the torch and leave the island.


Of course, Warren might be running for Vice President.....
Yeah, a few can play for keeps right now, but several will play as long as they have money to have chips to cash in at convention time.

All this next 5 months is about is building up chips. Who backs who come vote time (with the party able to assert its will on the 2nd vote as a point of leverage, as well) is anybody's guess.

Between now and July 13th, a long slow trickle of data.
Delphic Oracle is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 08:21 PM   #347
Meadmaker
Guest
 
Meadmaker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 29,033
Looking ahead on the calendar, I see the moderates splitting the vote, leading to a huge win for Bernie on Super Tuesday, just three weeks from now. It's not my preferred outcome, but I don't see any other way forward.

Trump versus McGovern Sanders.

At least, that's my fear.

A lot can happen between now and then, but.....
Meadmaker is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 08:25 PM   #348
angrysoba
Philosophile
 
angrysoba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Osaka, Japan
Posts: 35,981
Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
It occurs to me that there are only two candidates that, for me, don't have really big negatives. The negatives:.

Trump:. If you have to ask...
Bernie: socialist.
Biden: old.
Warren:. Not as socialist as bernie. Not as old as Joe. But enough of each to be bad.
Bloomberg: old guy buying his way in.

That leaves

Buttigieg:. Gay, and only office is mayor of South Bend. Makes me nervous for general election.
Klobuchar:. Practically unknown before election.


So what I'm hoping for is Biden's SC firewall doesn't hold so that Amy and Pete can fight for the middle lane before I have to make up my mind in Michigan.


And in the silver lining department, a lot of Bloomberg's negatives might be positives to some Trump voters. Rich, accused racist, old, New Yorker? What's not to like?
It is funny how nearly everyone thinks Biden is older than Sanders. I mean, on stage in the last debate, he looked like an embalmed mummy. His cultural references are older than mummies.
__________________
Слава Україні! **** Putin!
angrysoba is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 08:27 PM   #349
angrysoba
Philosophile
 
angrysoba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Osaka, Japan
Posts: 35,981
Yang’s dropped out. I can see his supporters going to Sanders.
__________________
Слава Україні! **** Putin!
angrysoba is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 08:46 PM   #350
Meadmaker
Guest
 
Meadmaker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 29,033
Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
It is funny how nearly everyone thinks Biden is older than Sanders. I mean, on stage in the last debate, he looked like an embalmed mummy. His cultural references are older than mummies.
Nah, I knew Sanders was older, but I was just picking their most prominent negative characteristic.
Meadmaker is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 08:47 PM   #351
angrysoba
Philosophile
 
angrysoba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Osaka, Japan
Posts: 35,981
Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
Nah, I knew Sanders was older, but I was just picking their most prominent negative characteristic.
Okay. But it is interesting that Biden’s age is a bigger factor than Sanders’ age.
__________________
Слава Україні! **** Putin!
angrysoba is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 08:50 PM   #352
Meadmaker
Guest
 
Meadmaker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 29,033
Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Okay. But it is interesting that Biden’s age is a bigger factor than Sanders’ age.
It's the energy factor. Biden doesn't seem to have it.


Of course, Bernie has had a heart attack. That can't help. Another heart attack or some other health scare would turn his age into a big negative.
Meadmaker is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 08:55 PM   #353
angrysoba
Philosophile
 
angrysoba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Osaka, Japan
Posts: 35,981
Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
It's the energy factor. Biden doesn't seem to have it.


Of course, Bernie has had a heart attack. That can't help. Another heart attack or some other health scare would turn his age into a big negative.
Mocha Joe is going down to Latte Larry.
__________________
Слава Україні! **** Putin!
angrysoba is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 09:01 PM   #354
Venom
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: United States
Posts: 6,332
Got this off of CBS News.

Quote:
More than 9 in 10 New Hampshire Democratic primary voters are unhappy with the Trump administration, including 81% who are angry. By a factor of almost two to one (62%-34%), voters say they prefer a nominee who can beat President Trump to one they agree with on major issues.

Interesting. Seems more people around the country just want Trump gone.
Venom is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 09:12 PM   #355
Venom
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: United States
Posts: 6,332
Tulsi Gabbard ready to move on to South Carolina

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the ISF. The ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.
I AGREE
Venom is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 09:28 PM   #356
Puppycow
Penultimate Amazing
 
Puppycow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Yokohama, Japan
Posts: 28,964
Politico now shows Bernie as the projected winner with about 80% of precincts reported. The margin still looks pretty narrow though.

https://www.politico.com/2020-electi...new-hampshire/
__________________
A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool.
William Shakespeare
Puppycow is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 09:50 PM   #357
Venom
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: United States
Posts: 6,332
Bernie's victory doesn't surprise me in NH.

What was surprising to me is how strong Buttigieg has been these last two states. Perhaps I shouldn't be.
Venom is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 10:07 PM   #358
Venom
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: United States
Posts: 6,332
Sanders campaign adviser: We've 'got some tricks' to win in Nevada

Interpreted by conservative trolls in the comments to mean they're registering illegal aliens to vote.
Venom is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 10:15 PM   #359
d4m10n
Penultimate Amazing
 
d4m10n's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Mounts Farm
Posts: 11,901
I'm seeing a lot of headlines reporting NH as a win for Sanders, even though he seems unlikely to net more delegates than the next guy.

Quote:
Sanders and Buttigieg are expected to be awarded the same share of New Hampshire's 24 delegates: nine each, according to NBC News. Klobuchar is projected to win six.
Seems weird to call that a victory, rather than a tie, given the stated rules of the overall contest.

Sent from my SM-T560NU using Tapatalk
__________________
“Knowledge is Power; France is Bacon.”

Last edited by d4m10n; 11th February 2020 at 10:18 PM.
d4m10n is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th February 2020, 10:25 PM   #360
Puppycow
Penultimate Amazing
 
Puppycow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Yokohama, Japan
Posts: 28,964
Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
I'm seeing a lot of headlines reporting NH as a win for Sanders, even though he seems unlikely to net more delegates than the next guy.

Seems weird to call that a victory, rather than a tie, given the stated rules of the overall contest.

Sent from my SM-T560NU using Tapatalk
He can still claim it as a win. And Buttigieg can point out that he ended up with just as many delegates, if indeed that's the final result. There's still more precincts left to report though.
__________________
A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool.
William Shakespeare
Puppycow is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Reply

International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » USA Politics

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:28 AM.
Powered by vBulletin. Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

This forum began as part of the James Randi Education Foundation (JREF). However, the forum now exists as
an independent entity with no affiliation with or endorsement by the JREF, including the section in reference to "JREF" topics.

Disclaimer: Messages posted in the Forum are solely the opinion of their authors.